To be furious that a cashier at supermarket told me off for DD eating a bite of an apple...

[pavlovthecat]

... which I paid for?

Apparently, it is paid for by weight, so could I not let her do it in future? No please. Nothing else.

She is 23 months old. So charge me the extra f**king half pence then tosser!!!

It came to 21p. She had taken two 23 month old sized bites. Which is why I was buying it in the first place!

Xenia seems to have really lost it

Bloody hell: the parents are not liable unless they have encouraged or assisted the minor to consume food for which they were unprepared or unable to pay.

Is that completely clear??

Any other argument is about a misplaced idea of 'class'.

at this thread

For Pavlov's records, YANBU

He (the male cashier) was rude.

It was 2 mini bites of an apple by a 23mth old

The whole thing could be avoided if the British supermarkets adopted the same customs that we have here in Germany. My DCs get a slice of sausage at the butcher's counter, a slice of cheese at the dairy counter and a bread roll from the bakery. They do not like shopping in UK, no freebies.

But why would I give serious thought about the causes of criminality Onebat? I mean other than when my car gets broken into and I curse the little shit socioeconomically deprived person who broke into it?

I mean the causation of criminal behaviour is an immense academic subject in its own right like global warming and world poverty. I simply can't think about all of these things properly I haven't got world enough and time - people work up immensely complex phd's with equations and stuff to prove that deprivation causes crime ... makes my head ache and I still haven't sorted out DS's gear for sports day or written the article I promised for the end of April ...

I wonder if research would establish a correlation between incarceration in later life and nicking grapes from Tesco in infancy? There's a free topic for a phd for someone. I won't charge for the idea. You can write it onebat. You've got time to think about the causation of every social ill ...

Wow. It's a long time since a bite of apple has caused this much trouble.

Pavlov, is your daughter called Eve by any chance? Was there a snake nearby?

"But why would I give serious thought about the causes of criminality Onebat? "

Well, perhaps because it is the duty of every citizen to consider how and why society works as it does?

You don't need to have a Phd. You might, however, consider doing a leetle bit of research before you fire off your posts on these and similar threads.

And on the subject of parental liability - I refer you to the immortal line from Elephant (which kept me smiling through the day)

"When ds was 2 I would pick out a lttle lonely ripe banana and give it to him saying' THIS is a gift from Mr Tesco.'"

Just as I, when I draw my child benefit, tell my darling girl, "THIS is a gift from Mr/Ms Quattrocento, and is sent with all their love."

I have to agree quattro, that line must go down as one of the greatest ever on MN

Yes but taxation is legal Onebat. You are very welcome to the child benefit. You don't need to send us a thank you card.

Ah, Quattro. Just what do you give serious thought to?

Onebat - you must let it go. Xenia and her mini-me Quattrocento are (as Zoe Williams once memorably said of Melanie Phillips on the Moral Maze) pulling our liberal weeners. There is no sense to what they are saying. It is just a show. Like the Apprentice or The Muppets.

threadworm PMSL! NO but clearly she should have been. Her mother is a Snake though, according to chinese years!

kindersurprise I am moving to germany!

It's a very funny line!
But I agree with onebat-she has said all I wanted to but much more eloquently!

Iorek. You are quite right. Luckily my weeners are already over-stretched by 7 years breast-feeding, so I feel no pain.

Okay so let's wrap up. I think the thread consensus is:

1. Socioeconomic deprivation causes criminality
2. Criminality is Generally Bad but it's okay when the victim can afford it
3. There are more criminals in Asda and Tesco than in Waitrose

Very sensible conclusions all round.

For the record, I only agree with one of the above but I have to bow to the immoral majority ...

You've forgotten:

1. Only lower middle class wear Laura Ashley nowadays

Erm.. Quattro? You appear to have got your Daily Mail questionnaire muddled with..

What is your point? Completely confused now.

at Cammelia. I agree that I have sunk pretty low. I've tried to make a snob feel shite by my superior snobbery.

And

1. Write your pressie list to Mr Tesco, not Father Christmas

Tesco uses every weasle way it can to scam us out of ever more money. Surely anyone with a social conscience should put their own private tax on its superprofits?

1 = can cause criminality. I have spent time working with several vulnerable drug users who struggle to get to grips with their cognitive deficits, resulting in crime, and have come from an environment that is not deprived socioeconimically, with families who have prospered. It is not uncommon.

And

1. One poor unfortunate MNer has a weener which she uses for breastfeeding

Iorek - you haven't seen them, then? In the medical text-books?

findtheriver I have TWO weeners!

My distended nips are nobody's problem but my own, and do not affect my capacity to argue my case.

I'm glad the see the 101 in Criminal Law is moving on apace...