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Student complaining-religion

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totoromama · 04/09/2025 22:42

I train adults in professional services and they do professional exams.
I'm really upset about something a student said today. I need to vent but don't think I can take it further.
I taught anything successful 4 day course with an exam.
The student in question got a really high score, she was so happy!
I leant over her to look at the score she was telling me and my pendant necklace came out of my top.
Her whole demeanor changed.
She stood up and exclaimed that if she had known I was x she wouldn't have done the course and she was going to complain.
I'm so upset.my religion has nothing to do with my job. I feel scared.
She'll complain and it'll effect me at work not for my performance.
I'm not sure my aibu.

OP posts:
MollyButton · 05/09/2025 06:21

Are you in the UK? If so Religion is a protected characteristic and you are not allowed to discriminate on the grounds of religion any more than you can on the grounds of sex.

THisbackwithavengeance · 05/09/2025 06:24

When this student said this, surely you reported her to the head of the course for hate crime and then refused any further interaction with her?

She’s openly racist and needs to be kicked off the course.

GoodPudding · 05/09/2025 06:25

Pudmyboy · 05/09/2025 00:36

The student said they would not have done the course if they had known the OP was Jewish: blatant anti-Semitism: is that not a crime? (People can think whatever thoughts they like but to refuse to be taught by someone because of their religion: how can that not be an issue?)

I don’t believe expressing a preference for not associating with someone should be a crime, even if I also believe the student’s behaviour was disgusting
and upsetting.

We’ve already slid down too far down the slippery slope of chipping away at free speech in this country, as has been shown by the Graham Linehan case, and criminalising this student’s words, distasteful as they are, would be to go a stage further again. Free speech involves the freedom to offend.

FlorenceAgainstTheMachine · 05/09/2025 06:33

@figcherryliving there already is rather different to moving there now, I would say. And I think that, given the anti-genocide protests in Israel itself recently, the country’s government may move to a position where it won’t be as easy to be openly Jewish in Israel if you’re also anti-Zionist.

Guavafish1 · 05/09/2025 06:34

I think she religiously discriminating against you

But check uniform policy too

GoodPudding · 05/09/2025 06:35

Jacopo · 05/09/2025 06:19

“the mere fact they are offended does not mean there has been an offence” - is this really true? What if it had been the opposite scenario, for example if someone came to do the course and saw that the teacher was wearing a hijab, and said “if I had known the course was being taught by a Muslim I would not have attended” ?
That would be reported as a hate crime, wouldn’t it?

Hate itself isn’t a “hate crime”. A hate crime is a crime that’s motivated by hatred of protected characteristic. I don’t see any crime committed here, so by definition, there can’t be a hate crime.

None of this means I believe expressing hate is acceptable, it’s just not, and shouldn’t be, a crime. Legislating expression of a feeling into a criminal offence would be a major undermining of free speech.

Threepeaks2025 · 05/09/2025 06:36

Report the student to the professional body.

MyDeftDuck · 05/09/2025 06:43

Blatant discrimination on the part of the student! Her loss if she doesn’t take the opportunity to advance her studies because you wear a pendant…..what a silly woman she is.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/09/2025 06:45

totoromama · 05/09/2025 00:25

I don't know whether it helps or not that she was wearing a hijab. I've lived in UAE, Oman and Turkey being Jewish no problem.

But the UK recently is unsafe. many friends are moving to Israel.
The thing I find incredible is in the UK we have a population of around 70m of which 300,000 are Jewish. But we are the problem.

It's not about wearing religious symbols, it's about racism and prejudice.

The student herself was wearing a hijab, which shows that she thinks there is nothing wrong with dressing in a way that makes your religion obvious. If it's OK for her to wear a hijab, it should be equally OK for you to wear a symbol of your religion, especially given that yours was far more discreet than hers.

I doubt she would have had the same reaction if she'd realised you were wearing a crucifix pendant rather than (I assume) a Star of David.

You have done nothing wrong. Write her off as a bigot and take the view that she doesn't deserve your help.

I would probably tell your manager what happened and say that you are angry and upset about how the student treated you when she found out you are Jewish.

NameChange23456790 · 05/09/2025 06:47

I have Christian, Sikh, Muslim and Jewish colleagues who all wear outward signs of their faith, with the Sikhs, Muslims and Jews their names give away their faith anyway! This student of your’s needs to realise we have the freedom to wear articles of faith in this country and she can bloody do one! I would complain to your manager that you were subject to anti-Semitic comments and the student needs reporting too.

Springtimehere · 05/09/2025 06:49

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Onceuponatimethen · 05/09/2025 06:50

I’m so sorry you went through this op. I also knew it was going to be that you were Jewish. This kind of reaction is just a type of racism and I’m so sorry.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/09/2025 06:54

Also, on the subject of her complaining.

What exactly does she plan to complain about?

She can't complain about you wearing a visible religious symbol, because she wears a hijab herself, and because yours was so discreet that she only saw it accidentally, meaning that yours is generally not visible.

So even if it were against any rules for you to wear a visible religious symbol, which, in the UK, it isn't, that can't be the basis of her complaint.

In which case, what is she planning to complain about? Which of her rights does she think have been infringed here? She doesn't have a right not to come into contact with Jewish people. She doesn't have a right to know your religion if you choose not to share that information, any more than she has the right to know a doctor or nurse's religion before they're allowed to treat her.

If the basis of her complaint is that she wouldn't have done the course if she'd known that the teacher was Jewish, your manager needs to do is point out that in this country we have freedom of religion and belief (which is why she is allowed to practise hers), that it is illegal to discriminate against people on that basis (which is why they couldn't refuse to hire a Jewish teacher even if they wanted to, which they don't), and that they have a duty to protect you, their staff member, against antisemitism. Accordingly, they can no longer have her as a student.

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 05/09/2025 06:55

knitnerd90 · 04/09/2025 23:14

I absolutely believe this happened, I know people similar things have happened to. Yes, the law absolutely protects you and the student was wrong... but the victim blaming is strong for us. And it's not like we can always be protected by not wearing a necklace. I have a very obvious surname. (Not "Goldstein" but something like that.)

I believe it too based on the Jewish schools and students near me getting so much abuse, even primary schools, that they have started a private bus service and told all the kids to hide their uniforms outside. (But even then people managed to break onto the bus and scream at the kids.) Honestly too many incidents in my area to name, from discrimination from bus drivers, to NHS nurses, to constant graffiti and posters and flags creating a hostile environment. And you're right some people might not be visible but some people's name/dress/appearance will make it obvious - it's like saying 'well you can't tell who's gay anyway so what's the problem.'

AcquadiP · 05/09/2025 06:58

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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the OP feels as a Jewish person she would be safer living in Israel than in GB or any other part of Europe. And your post clearly demonstrates why.

And it's Balfour not Balfor.

lowhangingbranch · 05/09/2025 06:59

I knew from your OP you were Jewish. And it’s a disgraceful sign of the open racist/ religious hatred towards Jews in recent years, that it was obvious you were Jewish.

I wish people would wake up to the racist hatred Jews are facing. The hatred Jews are facing just for being Jewish is shocking and shameful.

It’s why I’m traveling to the March Against Anti-Semitism in London this Sunday.

All anti-racists should be on that March.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 05/09/2025 07:12

Jacopo · 05/09/2025 06:19

“the mere fact they are offended does not mean there has been an offence” - is this really true? What if it had been the opposite scenario, for example if someone came to do the course and saw that the teacher was wearing a hijab, and said “if I had known the course was being taught by a Muslim I would not have attended” ?
That would be reported as a hate crime, wouldn’t it?

No.

There is no criminal offence here, so there can not be a Hate Crime

Lampo · 05/09/2025 07:13

JassyRadlett · 04/09/2025 23:04

Your employer is bound by the Equalities Act.

To protect yourself you need to handle this proactively. Email your manager to say you need to report an incident of religious discrimination from one of your students. Detail the interaction/s in as much detail as you can to the best of your memory, and ask for his thoughts on how best to proceed, and what policies the company has around discrimination and abuse of their staff.

Really good advice but it’s the ‘Equality Act’ not Equalities Act.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/09/2025 07:14

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Where exactly do you think Jewish people should live where they can be free from this kind of discrimination?

If you don't want Jewish people to move to Israel then quite frankly it is on YOU (and the rest of us) to make them safe and welcome in the rest of the western world.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 05/09/2025 07:18

Chickenintheoven · 05/09/2025 06:10

YOU are the victim in this interaction not her.

write down everything that happened and email it to your manager asap so if she is stupid enough to make a ‘complaint’ he has all the facts from you.

I’m Christian but I am so angry on your behalf by this women’s antisemitism.

if I’m picking a course I’m interested in the trainers experience / qualifications / presentation style - I’ve never thought to question the persons gender or religion or race etc as it’s totally irrelevant. As long as they ‘know their stuff’ and are good at teaching it - that is all that matters.

for her to tell you to your face she wouldn’t have booked your course or come to another on the basis of your faith shows not only how nasty and antisemitic she is but also how unprofessional she is.

she needs urgently pulling up for her awful behaviour and I hope your manager will back you up and go back to her organisation HR to tell them what she said and to make it clear that she is not welcome in any of your company’s courses as your company does not tolerate such discriminatory practices by any participants.

so so sorry you have to experience things such as this. I totally do 100% believe it happened - but at the same time - I can’t believe (as in I’m just do shocked ) she thought she could do this to you.

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to go around insulting others.

Really hope you report this and don’t let her get away with her appalling behaviours.

Freedom of Speech is precisely what gives us the right to insult others.

Probably more accurate to say that there is no right to not be offended or insulted.

Provided anything you say doesn't cross over into verbal assault territory, become enough of a pattern that it would constitue harassment, or constitute something illegal itself (incitement and so on), then insult away, you are not breaking any laws.

Echobelly · 05/09/2025 07:18

PurpleChrayn · 04/09/2025 22:52

Let me guess. You’re Jewish and she’s Muslim?

Nb, I'm Jewish and I would ask to please not to assume that a Muslim person is most likely to be making such a comment.

MovingBird123 · 05/09/2025 07:20

I read it and immediately knew you were Jewish. I'm so so sorry, this sucks.

tripleginandtonic · 05/09/2025 07:21

totoromama · 05/09/2025 00:25

I don't know whether it helps or not that she was wearing a hijab. I've lived in UAE, Oman and Turkey being Jewish no problem.

But the UK recently is unsafe. many friends are moving to Israel.
The thing I find incredible is in the UK we have a population of around 70m of which 300,000 are Jewish. But we are the problem.

That comes across as though you think Muslims are the problem?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/09/2025 07:21

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 05/09/2025 07:18

Freedom of Speech is precisely what gives us the right to insult others.

Probably more accurate to say that there is no right to not be offended or insulted.

Provided anything you say doesn't cross over into verbal assault territory, become enough of a pattern that it would constitue harassment, or constitute something illegal itself (incitement and so on), then insult away, you are not breaking any laws.

This can almost certainly be classified as a hate incident.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 05/09/2025 07:23

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/09/2025 07:21

This can almost certainly be classified as a hate incident.

It is not a Hate Crime though, which is what the original contention was.