Should teenagers stand to being criminalized over how some of them treat their partners.

[celebritydiscodave]

I ask this because the very vast majority of incidents of abuse are served out by their partners, and the very vast majority of partners are either teenagers too, or within five years.

You’re really not being clear.

Good luck but I’m out because I really have tried to understand and I just don’t.

Well, teenagers offend far more, but their relationships are entirely over looked. The stats will arrive once parents realize that there is an issue. Under age sex, for instance, is illegal, not just when their partner is older, but every time.it occurs. Currently parents are likely focused upon age gaps rather than actual detrimental acts, and too many might over look the fact that there exist plenty of teenage users. My twenty five year old female friend (Im seventy) has recently been totally used by a nineteen year old, totally used for her body, and she has two children which we are trying to raise. Because there exists such a serious issue with older men, often stepfathers, stepbrothers, cousins, and their mothers boyfriend, it is likely assumed that their regular relationships are a safe place. They are absolutely not!

You seem a bit strangely obsessed with teenage sex.
And being frank here, if your 25 year old friend had 2 children with a useless 19 year old that’s not entirely his fault. Contraception does exist and she’s old enough to know that and know the consequences if they don’t use it.

She did not do, young women tend to having lots of serious relationships, as do young men. As many as nineteen in twenty can eventually fail. I consider the issues which I have raised to be significant ones, I accept that you very likely do not. I work with young people, hence a regard for their welfare. We have not been discussing getting pregnant and having children, although it is definitely a problem too young, we have been discussing actual positive abuse..

I might be fortunate enough to experience freedom from working, and be able to focus on my training, but I am certainly not old, and this despite your very obvious prejudice. Friends in their twenties, at seventy, does not come about by being rapid to age, just trust me there. This is likely what some folk wish were so!! The fact that envy never ever arrives on the surface in its original form certainly plays a key part. We holiday together, currently we go paddle boarding. Adoption of interests, as well what new interests are discovered together, this is the territory of some of the most enduring friendships going, and our friendship has outlived three of her relationships this far. The bad news, yes, this is published, but never even one single time the good.

Parents need to lead by example and take some responsibility for the choices their children make, males and shock horror females

I did a course recently which amazing but totally shocking and lots of it centred on peer DV/SA etc.
The lady running the course had been in a very serious/severe situation but came through it and now works with teenagers.
She refuses to call older partners boyfriends/girlfriends , they are the abuser etc to try and reframe how people think of the situations including police/schools. Lots of coercive behaviour, physical/ emotional / sexual abuse occurs in peer relationships but the (usually) girls dont have the experience to understand this is not a loving relationship.

I'm still not clear what you are getting at.

Unless your 25yo friend has learning difficulties, she was fully aware of her relationship with a 19yo. She is an adult. She may have suffered domestic abuse or coercive control, but she is, and will be treated as an adult by the police.

In the case of young people (13-18), the police and schools have to tread a fine line, since the age of criminal responsibility is legally 10yo. If a child punches another at school, should they be charged with assault, sent to young offenders, wrecking their education & the chance of a decent job etc? If reading them the riot act, being suspended from school and the wrath of their parents ensures they never do it again, then probably not.

The answer in teen relationships is for parents and schools to model good relationships, make it clear that there is help always available, that bullying & coercion must never be tolerated, and that the police are there if any offence is sufficiently serious. The Romeo & Juliet clause means a sexual relationship between a 15yo and a 16yo would not be seen as child abuse if consensual because the two people concerned are only a few months different in age.

Any non-consensual activity within that age group is still either sexual assault or rape.

But in that case, the 25 year old friend of @celebritydiscodave is the abuser of the 19 year old.

"The same consequences", neither would I, and I have not advocated to such, but I do advocate to acknowledging the problem and attempting to deal with it before it becomes, perhaps, totally entrenched. The penalty should be more severe when a person is older because that person should be expected to have become more responsible with the passage of time. Not to deal with it whilst they are still teenagers, and perhaps to start dealing with such issues when they are still younger, is to ensure that it will likely be impossible to deal with once they are adults. Can we agree here? The poor health of teenage relationships would be put very clearly in the public domain once it has become of on mass serious parental concern.

That would be the current myth, but abuse is not age based, not once we are adults, abuse is individual based, so by the nature of an individual.

Where is this ‘evidence’ from?

OP, you’re being totally incoherent. Take a breath, and rewrite.

In your dreams, and in the dreams of others that carry your same prejudice only. Ask any actual question and I shall answer it well, as of course you do already know. OP might well be taken as being demeaning by admins, so be careful!

So your 25 year old friend should be subject to a severe penalty because their relationship was with a 19 year old by your “logic”.

Would it be possible for you to describe, with examples, the abuse that you are discussing?

What??

I live in the UK, the age of consent here is sixteen, not twenty, and the measure of how one is treated is that measure for what a person does do.

What do you mean here? 19 is still a teenager.

I note you haven’t answered my actual question.

Please. You need to reframe your posts. They are making no sense whatsoever.

Is OP having a conversation with an invisible poster? Their posts make no sense whatsoever.

Read what I have said again, from the beginning. For the benefit of followers here, are you a teen, a parent, or are you retired???

Who are you addressing, OP? It’s easiest for everyone if you use the ‘Quote’ function to quote the post you’re replying to.

Who are you talking to?!

Criminal justice applies to teenagers too.
More education and information is definitely required for DC to avoid domestic violence as adults, angry DC should have access to services early to help give them the tools to regulate their emotions.
MH services for DC are extremely poor.