To be worried about emigration

[YourOpenNavyAnt]

Our neighbours, 2 highly skilled Indian immigrants, who have been in the UK for 8 years are emigrating to another country. He’ll get an 50% pay increase for doing the same job in another country, plus a lower housing costs. According to him, a sizeable cohort of his friends, also want to leave the UK.

I have two cousins who have spent £10000s for their children to study for a masters in another country to make it easier for them gain the right to work.

A colleague’s children (both junior doctors) have both migrated to Australia, with no plans to return. Another colleague’s daughter (a dentist) has moved to New Zealand for 6 months, to determine if she wants to settle permanently.

I have a large circle Aussie friends and acquaintances from my time living in London and most (8-10 people) have either returned or are planning to return. These are people who’ve lived here for 10+ years and have British citizenship but they view the UK as being in terminal decline.

Has anyone else noticed this trend? Is this country really that shit?

Where are your neighbours going @YourOpenNavyAntthat salaries are way better and housing cost much less than the UK. It sounds good.

I think it’s excellent that people are able to leave when they want to. It’s not always possible to leave, of course. We can’t just emigrate easily and expect it all to go well in a new country. Where would we go? We have to prove a fairly high income and ensure employment in advance, it’s a lot of hoops to jump through to prove our worth.

We should be worried about emigration.

Unfortunately the people emigrating all high earner, high skilled people. And people coming in are net takers on average. So guess what, the country gets poorer.

How genius of successive governments to replace high earning, net contributors with low or non earning net takers.

We are heading towards US?

You wish.

A quarter of the world’s GDP, high growth economy and a country that is self sufficient on energy. We could only dream of being like the US.

The Tories have presided over many recessions - more than Labour since the war, as well as various other economic crises such as sterling devaluations and bond market crises.

Some of these (under both parties) were triggered by global factors outside of the UK’s control like the 1973 oil price crisis and the 2007 credit crunch.

But you conveniently forgot all that, didn’t you? Because of course it’s always Labour who crashes the economy.

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Right! Liz truss anyone 🙄

But will be hit soon by the EU's tax policies. Dublin has allowed huge tax breaks to companies such as Amazon but is facing the removal of their right to do this. 135 companies sounds a lot, but is a minute number of such companies in the City. London remains one of the greatest financial hubs of the world and the UK regulatory system is considered one of the best and safest, which is why companies want to locate here.

Completely agree. The media makes out that there's rioting, mugging, and God knows what else on every street corner. I'm not saying the country is without problems, but I also this we love a bit of negativity!

@Grammarnut yes, Ireland’s success is built on sand and Trump has the country’s tax incentives well in his sights.

As a Remainer since the very first minute that dreadful referendum was announced (will NEVER forgive Cameron for that irresponsible decision), I absolutely hate being right about all of it. You have no idea how much I wanted to be proved wrong by Leavers.

I know exactly how you feel. Cameron was a complete buffoon.

Yes - but what are they actually planning to do to get economic growth in the country. Gifting huge pay rises to striking government employees isn’t helping.

@CheeseyOnionPie nobody was expecting them to turn it around in a year but their decisions and policies have made pretty much every single economic metric worse. The borrowing levels are terrifying and spending continues to balloon while growth flat lines,

This country has been on the slide since 1979. Thatcherism sold off anything of value, and we’ve been beholden to the ravages of Capitalism ever since.

Brexit made it worse, as we lost and guaranteed trading partner, and were left scrubbing about for deals.

I am actively encouraging my DD to get a profession that allows her to leave.

@ExtraOnions I don’t agree with you on the causes but do agree on the outcome, 2 of my 3 children have left the country and DH and I are planning on following imminently. Sick of being bled dry for taxes in a country where little functions.

If I had anywhere I could go I would be leaving given the option.

I agree that Thatcher had a lot to answer for and personally I thought she was a despicable woman, but go back to 1974, the labour government of the late 70s crippled industry. We had unions running the country, a 3 day week, constant power cuts (mum was always digging out the candles). Companies took their business elsewhere because they couldn't rely on the UK fulfilling orders as they were always out on strike. Sadly I am old enough to have lived through the winter of discontent. As for this shower of shit we have now, well I have no words I knew it would be bad but I wasn't prepared for this

Yes they’ve created a bigger issue with huge amounts of borrowing and debt servicing and the NI has hit growth and jobs.

Well yes

And given the current nurses thread and the fact that there are no jobs for new nurses, what do you expect?

Agree re the unions and 70s

Record number of major infrastructure projects approved

6bn investment and trade deal with India (who may well become a major global power in the next 2 decades)

150bn investment in uk tech

there are things happening but both progression (and regression) happen slowly

Climate change pushing prices up 😆😆 open your eyes Jesus Christ

This thread seems to involve a lot of doctors moving abroad.

Anyway, personally I don't know anyone emigrating. I did phone my friend in Dubai, he has lived three for decades now. He said cost of living is high there too especially rent. He is baffled that so many think the grass is greener there. It will be interesting to see how many people come back in the next day 5 to 10 years. Racism has always been a problem, I remember the BNP being given a lot of air time years ago. Overall crime is down. We need to take a step back and think about how quality of life has improved over the longer term albeit slowly with some ups and downs.

I meant all of those things, but yes, haven't you seen how the weather changes are affecting crops? This years yields are 50% down. Do you not think that reduced supply pushes prices up?

I mean…

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2n4877j7lo