To be worried about emigration

[YourOpenNavyAnt]

Our neighbours, 2 highly skilled Indian immigrants, who have been in the UK for 8 years are emigrating to another country. He’ll get an 50% pay increase for doing the same job in another country, plus a lower housing costs. According to him, a sizeable cohort of his friends, also want to leave the UK.

I have two cousins who have spent £10000s for their children to study for a masters in another country to make it easier for them gain the right to work.

A colleague’s children (both junior doctors) have both migrated to Australia, with no plans to return. Another colleague’s daughter (a dentist) has moved to New Zealand for 6 months, to determine if she wants to settle permanently.

I have a large circle Aussie friends and acquaintances from my time living in London and most (8-10 people) have either returned or are planning to return. These are people who’ve lived here for 10+ years and have British citizenship but they view the UK as being in terminal decline.

Has anyone else noticed this trend? Is this country really that shit?

Australia is shipping billions of tons a year of coal and iron ore to China so China can make things and be busy and rich, the fact it is destroying the planet is ignored, obviously means Australia and China have lots of wealth and jobs off the back of it. So by all means move to Aus.

We no longer dig for coal etc.

unfortunately we are not a wealthy country now.

edit - I just wanted to make the point that Australians are not some superior beings than us old Brits. They are lucky they have coal and ironore.

A number of friends have left already, and we have more friends planning to leave. Some have gone to tax havens, but most have gone to other countries where the wages are higher and the taxes not as punitive for higher earners. I am worried for the country because those that have left are mostly six figure earners, so that’s a lot less tax take. If that’s replicated across the U.K., that’s very worrying.

My partner wants to leave the U.K. also. He has lived here for most of his adult life, but feels like there isn’t much left for us here and quality of life has really deteriorated. Like PPs have said, cost of living is high, taxes are high for higher earners, childcare is very expensive, antisocial behaviour and crime is awful. I’m struggling to argue to stay here to be honest, and I do understand why others are leaving

To be honest we were googling houses yesterday. In a fortunate position that we can get an independent income type visa for many countries as have enough money in the bank for rest of our lives. Not doing anything yet as I do like where we live but if that Nigel chap gets in we will pack up and go

I’m in agreement. We might be in a position where we can leave for a country in the EU. 30% less in cost of living. Quality of life seems better.

The UK is just not it.

I do wonder what level of exodus would ensue if Nigel Farage was to be in power…

A year is nothing. You can’t turn around a whole country within 1 year. It took the best part of 20 years to get here, it’s unrealistic to think there would be sweeping change in just 1 year. A year goes by like that!

We left the UK as a direct result of Brexit

Virtually nothing more than will leave if he doesn’t. People like to claim they would but the reality ends up being very different.

I moved from the UK to Canada last year and was worried i would be homesick but not at all since i read all the UK news. So much hate and racism now and anger which is being aimed at the wrong people

The UK is such a shit place, it's in 'terminal decline', people are moving to EU countries - and yet there are tens of thousands of people who risk their lives crossing the channel from the EU to the UK every year. Why's that if it's so awful here?

Because for them (those that choose to cross), it’s a lot better quality of life than their country of origin! They know they will have better rights and benefits and quality of life in the UK compared to say Afghanistan or Somalia etc.

For your average Brit though - I wouldn’t say life has improved much. If anything it’s stagnated. Quality of life declined.

I'm entitled to another European passport. I can then nominate my children for one. They both want to live somewhere else. I dont blame them.

I think there's a lot of people who think the grass is greener.

Meanwhile france are also in political turmoil struggling with a debt mountain

I have family in the US and Australia and neither are a bed of roses. Cost of living is lower in US but working culture is horrendous, there's a huge opiate and mental health crisis. In Australia house & childcare prices have rocketed. My colleague moved to London from Australia last year for better job prospects and is happy here.

It's long been that way. Many of our friends went to the ME in the early 1980s and came back once they had earned enough to buy their first house. I went to the US and returned once I had done likewise.

Both ours have EU passports already been useful

Company I work for have divisions in quite a few different countries. I’m keeping an eye on what’s coming up with a view to look at transferring if the job and place is right.

What social contract? Working people are paying for the triple lock for the largest proportion of pensioners we've ever had. I will retire if I'm lucky in 17 years. I doubt I'll get the triple lock. I doubt my kids will be entitled to a state pension at all.

It’s almost as if dismantling public services and transferring wealth upwards hasn’t magically made things better for ordinary people...who'd have thunk it?

Still I'm sure it'll work the next time we do it.

Ireland is attracting inward investment because corporation tax rates are the lowest in the Anglophone world. No other reason.

Exactly.

The poster I was responding to wanted spending on the NHS and welfare cut right back even more. Universal healthcare still exists in the UK and it’s something precious, as watching Call The Midwife was all about.

As in America the biggest beneficiaries of tax cuts are overwhelmingly the wealthiest, because you need decent tax against which to offset the cuts. That’s why Billionaires support right wing movements, not because they care about working class people.

The grass is always greener on the other side! I emigrated overseas and it is not like it appears to be!! Very much not!! Those move to Australia tv shows? Don’t mention the cost of medical treatment!! The fact the public health system is so appalling you will
Have no choice but to go private! That private health insurance is part of the tax system and compulsory, you pay full price for all medication and there’s no discount like there is in the uk!! £4000 a month for one type of medication that was essential!! £150 to go see a go, £350 for a basic blood test etc etc! Cost of living in oz is way way higher than anywhere else in the world! Yes the pay is better but by the time you’ve taken off the cost of housing - also 10,000 x uk prices! - medical and food and bills then you’re living on credit cards

Lol all these people who know YOU are leaving the UK..........

I don't know anyone who has or is planning to go. Nor do any of my 6 siblings.

It's you.

What a mess!

I wonder if they also know how to exploit a country such as the UK for some of these rights. To be honest it does make me a bit cross. Though I do not agree with holding people in inhumane conditions.

I’ve noticed this trend too. I know people who have left the UK for other EU countries. We are considering it as well. Our neighbours (both doctors from South Asia descent) are looking to move back to an Asian country!