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To be angry with people who describe the old age pension as a "benefit"?

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FlubandSlub · 01/09/2025 15:08

When I started my working life, aged 16, I entered into an agreement with the government for them to save my pension money for me. It was stated that it would be until I turned 60 which would be when I could starting drawing my old age pension. Even though I made my FULL pension payment contributions by the time I turned 51 the government has decided it will not abide by the original agreement and that it is going to keep MY money until I am 67. Probably hoping I will die before then.

Consider this, not only did I contribute to my pension, my employer did too. It totalled 15% of my income before taxes. If you averaged only £15 000 p a. over your working life, that's close to £220,500. Read that again. Did you see anywhere that the Government paid in one single penny?

We are talking about the money that I and my employer put in a Government bank to ensure that I would have a retirement pension. It was not money that the Government had any right to spend on other things! Upon reaching the age to take it back they've started to call the money we paid in a "benefit" !

If you calculate the future invested value of £2500 per year (yours & your employer's contribution) at a simple 5% interest (that's less than what the govtpays on the money that it borrows from overseas), after 49 years of working you'd have
£892,919.98.

This money was supposed to be in a securely locked box, not to be used as part of the Government's general funds.
Successive governments borrowed the money to spend on other things but that doesn't make my pension some kind of charity or handout!! If a private pension company did this we would sue them. Unfortunately the Government can legally rob us blind and get away with it

IT'S MY MONEY! IT IS NOT A BENEFIT!!

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Starsandstripes44 · 19/09/2025 19:14

Rosscameasdoody · 19/09/2025 18:52

Sorry but this is bullshit.

You think it is bullshit that a loving close knit family would help with care???

Glad i am not in your family.

Rosscameasdoody · 21/09/2025 02:16

Starsandstripes44 · 19/09/2025 19:14

You think it is bullshit that a loving close knit family would help with care???

Glad i am not in your family.

No. We moved my elderly mother in with us when she was diagnosed with dementia. We couldn’t manage her without a carer coming in every day. I think it’s bullshit to advocate that state support is removed so that family are effectively forced to help with care and left to foot the bill. You clearly have no idea of the time, effort and enormous expense involved in caring for someone with a disability.

SerendipityJane · 21/09/2025 10:59

Rosscameasdoody · 21/09/2025 02:16

No. We moved my elderly mother in with us when she was diagnosed with dementia. We couldn’t manage her without a carer coming in every day. I think it’s bullshit to advocate that state support is removed so that family are effectively forced to help with care and left to foot the bill. You clearly have no idea of the time, effort and enormous expense involved in caring for someone with a disability.

I know a couple M59,F55. She has had MS since 17 and never been able to work. Her DH has never been able to take a high-rolling role as it was impossible to arrange caring around it (he has a lot of sympathy with childcare issues. Only as he told me, those issues go away. Caring for someone with a progressive disease only gets more intense).

As a result they've never been able to save into more that the most basic of non-state pensions that will be wiped out when they "retire".

Her condition is now such that her DH can't leave the house. He is a very skilled IT worker but now can only work remotely and given the age and his own progressive disability, that's not happening.

They've already cost the state many times more than they have even been able to pay in.

What is the threads collective verdict on how to deal with this pair ? Especially as you can't use ESA or PIP for flights to Switzerland ?

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