Is The IMF taking Over perhaps just what the country needs

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Ok bear with me. This sounds like an idiotic thing to say because if the IMF are involved it means the country is officially in a mess and the IMF will slash spending and enforce their own budgets and rules. So anyone on benefits might lose them, NHS funding will likely go down, same for the police force etc

It just occurred to me today that the country is in a complete mess and there isn't really any end in sight.

Headlines today - I didn't read the detail but I am just getting more angry, helpless feeling and frustrated and want 'somebody' who has some balls to step in and say enough. Things change from today. Todays headlines are rising taxes, 1/10 high school kids on benefits, families of migrants can claim benefits from day 1 even if they don't speak english.

Now i will caveat this by saying the housing market does need sorted but lets be honest that's not what they are trying to do here - it's just about raising taxes. I also say there is another articles claiming ' a crackdown on bring families into Britain' - something that made me snort with derision giving the whole small boats/protests going on just now.

I mean lets just get to the point. Does ANYONE think RR/KS are able to fix this mess. I know they didn't cause it. I know they have been in office less than a year but if we give them another year are they able to fix it. I personally don't think so. It is going to need someone very tough to brave the mess and take it in hand (Maggie Thatcher where are you now).
So what are we left with - voting Reform - which I have joked about doing but i don't actually think that is the way to go. That's borne out of desperation. So who is going to fix it then.

AIBU to think a complete reset, painful as it will be by the IMF is just what the country needs?

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You’d argue black was white. I don’t have any comment on the article, it can hardly be because of the regulation, taxation and civil discord can it.

Oh the irony! 😂

Not really, one person has implied this for whatever motive.

Its absurd to you and others on the right, but you'd love a bailout, regardless of its impacts.

How you can judge a disaster after 12 months is beyond me but thats the tribal nature of the debate.

Even when there are successes, such as linked above, its dismissed as "nothing to do with Labour" they cannot be acknowledged & neither can Tory failures or their 14 year legacy.

What do you think the reasons could be?

Thats irrelevant, its happening under Labour, if the FTSE crashed, you'd soon be blaming Reeves.

Pretty sure, as we are avoiding recession, within european terms, decent growth, we will avoid an IMF bailout so sorry for you

Even when there are successes, they cannot be acknowledged & neither can Tory failures or their 14 year legacy.

Couldn’t this just be flipped? Do you want Labour to own the successes and not the failures? At what point can it own both?

I’m not tribal, I was pretty much a live and let live wandering voter until this Government came along. Now I’m furious.

At some point you’re going to have to acknowledge that perhaps it’s not everyone else that is wrong.

I see, so today’s finally the day when everything is not due to the Tories and Labour can take responsibility. Excellent

That’s good.

This is current public perception of UK compared to this time last year from You Gov.

Its yours and others total inability to give Labour any credit, which makes some posters appear not to be genuine.

There is no balance.

Labour inherited an economic disaster, now some of that is down to Tory policy - NI cuts, but much is because of Brexit, Covid and Ukraine.

Have Labour dropped the ball? of course, WFA, Expenses and the u-trn on benefits.
Vat on fees? nope, it was in their manifesto, NI rises? taxes had to go up, if not that, which one???

Wondering voter? ok so not bothered by the tax TH freezes, tuition fees, cuts to NHS, rises in council tax, Brexit costs - £11bn in HMRC alone!! £28billion poured down the drain with HS2.... 3 technical recessions.... almost 0 growth

All ok?

This is current public perceptions of the UK compared to last year according to You Gov. So it's pretty much an overwhelming majority who feel that the country is in a worse state than this time last year AND think it will get worse.

Interesting. Not really the ‘change’ Labour promised at the last GE.

Well it's to bust the myth that it's just some of us on MN who feel this way. No, it's a majority of the UK public. We aren't the ones out of step.

Yep

You are simply projecting.

Can you honestly say the U.K. is an attractive place to raise a family, educate children, start a business, buy a house, get a job, have freedom of speech, have a decent quality of life if you work full time? It isn’t and a lot if this has got much much worse under Labour in a very short space of time. The certainties you laid down are ideological driven choices Labour have made, the people of the UK are simply collateral damage in that ideology. It’s unacceptable.

@twistyizzy Do you think i will look at this a little bit more because you posted it twice?

My local council is in debt to the tune of 1/2 billion, 1/2 billion of under funding and austerity over 14 years and continued even now.

No one but a fool would think the UK can be turned around inside 12months....?

It’s interesting people think it won’t get better with Labour. Apart from a few on mn. They seem to have lost that GE ability to convince it will.

Such bad losers. I almost feel sorry for you but then I regain my senses.

Yes if the majority of people supported Labour then they surely wouldn't feel that it will get worse over the next 12 months? Surely they would say that "I feel it's bad now but i think it will get better" not "it's bad now and I think it will get worse"??

I think you would be wasting your time there. I take it you’re in the doing very well category which is rather small. Unfortunately for Labour.

And we shouldn't forgot that perception influences behaviour and spending. So if the majority feel things will get worse then they will stop spending and just batton down the hatches to get through the next few years. That then impacts on the economy

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the thread.

I think what has come of of the thread is that there is no clear solution that we all agree on and people are angry and frightened at what the future holds.

I think labour's first mistake was reversing the winter fuel allowance.
This showed they were a goverment that could not stand up and make hard decisions which lets be honest is what we need.

I guess I admire Maggie Thatcher because she stood by her policies and decisions even when she faced lots of opposition. People may not have liked some of her policies but she was strong and decisive and didn't let public opinion push her about.

RR from the very start seemed to be more interested in being popular than being good at the job. Anyway from todays news it seems she is on her way out and that I would say is a good decision. (I disagree with the papers saying she is putting on a brave face by the way. I think she is just super relieved to not be responsible anymore and I can't blame her for that)
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I don't want our country to need an IMF bailout. My question was 'could it be the best thing in the long run'. What a want is a strong goverment creating growth and returning us to prosperity. I do think there are lots of areas that need cut and changed. If our goverment isn't strong enough to do this then yes the IMF might be best for us if they are going to make the hard choices that our goverment can't or won't. It will be an interesting autumn budget for sure.

That doesn’t really show what you seem to think it does. Just 2% more think the country is in a poor state than a year ago, so nothing has really changed. And that’s after a year of Farage telling us all how dreadful everything is which would account for the fall in optimism about improvement. Obviously these are inconvenient facts so they’ll go down like a lead balloon on this thread.

Yes this is what drives these sorts of threads, the Cons can't stand losing power.

They don't give a 4x about the country, its power only, they'd see the UK go down the pan than see it succeed under another Govt... see Hunts NI cuts, not done as an election bribe even but to hamper Labour or rather the UK.

So suck it up buttercups, you had 14 years and wrecked everything.

It has been a good thread, some decent posts. It’s interesting to see the anger too that Labour isn’t liked by all.