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I’ve joined the “why are there dogs everywhere” Club

513 replies

BananaBum · 31/08/2025 18:51

I’ll start things off by saying I have a dog myself and normally scoff at all the people rolling their eyes over dogs in pubs and cafes. Can even forgive younger, less well behaved dogs because they have to learn and be exposed to different situations.

HOWEVER

Today I went to get in a lift in John Lewis with my DC and a woman with a pushchair and TWO massive labradors asked if I wouldn’t mind waiting because one of her dogs were nervous about being crowded.

Why are you in John Lewis then?
Is it really necessary for the dogs to come out with you?
Did they come in the car especially or do you live in town?
how does it all work logistically?

So many questions. And also just a bit annoyed I had to wait for the next lift

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Daygloboo · 01/09/2025 09:58

We are a weird lot though, we British. A lot of ppl think its ok to stand outside a hotel with a flag terrorising vulnerable asylum seekers. And yet its wrong to take a dim view of an owner whose dog is pissing and shitting and growling and licking everything in a park or shop or whatever. I'm not having a go. I'm simply onserving that we are a funny bunch in this country with weird priorities.

Iamnotalemming · 01/09/2025 09:58

I am fed up of dogs on trains. I was on a super crowded service recently and the only place I could find to sit was next to a woman with a dog that sat on my feet for the whole journey. I didn't mind so much but the dog smell, ugh, when you can't even open the window on the train anymore. There was a couple with a dog nearby on a four seat table, where I couldn't sit because they had bags over the spare seats. When a bolder traveller than me got on later and asked them to move the bags, they said they'd put them there to stop people their dog didn't know sit by them because it was aggressive with strangers and could bite!

ShiftySquirrel · 01/09/2025 09:59

I feel sorry for the allergy sufferers and for that reason think that only assistance dogs should be allowed inside shops. That's a human need. Ordinary dogs don't need to be inside shops.

Sadly even being in an indoor environment where dogs or cats have been, but no longer are, triggers asthma attacks and eczema flare ups in my dad.

Emmafuller79 · 01/09/2025 10:00

AliceMaforethought · 01/09/2025 08:58

YANBU for this, of course. However, YABU to 'scoff' over people who don't want dogs in pubs and cafes. Perhaps this incident will open your eyes to the fact that a lot of us have to tolerate dogs where they aren't wanted. This woman's entitlement was merely a more extreme example of the entitlement of all too many dog owners.

The only dogs we need to tolerate is guide dogs. Dogs otherwise are not essential to life. Keep you dog at home or in your garden … it would be happier and so would we especially those of us with small children 👍

ILoveWhales · 01/09/2025 10:00

WhatNoRaisins · 01/09/2025 09:55

That's something else I wonder. I don't remember all these anxious dogs that couldn't cope with being left alone for a few hours when I was younger. We're they just more likely to be put to sleep?

Or they were trained properly. IDK.

But a dog that nervous is life restricting and a risk to other and I dont know why humans restrict their lives in this way for an animal that isn't even that self aware and doesnt apprecaite the sacrifice..

Blanketenvy · 01/09/2025 10:01

ILoveWhales · 01/09/2025 09:51

At the risk of sounding unpopular it sounds like no life for you or the dog.

Why is PTS never considered with such a troubled or distressed dog.

PTS? My dog is literally having her best life 😅, loads of exercise, walks in the peak district, stimulation, playing, food and naps. She just struggles with being left on her own at home because she had a really hard start in life, which we are working on and is gradually improving.

Emmafuller79 · 01/09/2025 10:02

WonderingAboutBabies · 01/09/2025 07:58

I hate it. My local shopping centre is now dog friendly. I have an Assistance Dog and he gets so distracted and confused at dogs in what used to be dog free areas. There's dog piss on every corner in JL so he's now pulling to sniff and other dogs are approaching him to say hello.

Yes - he is fully trained and certified but he is still a dog after all! Shopping centres used to be easy to navigate without every Tom Dick and Harry bringing their dog in ughhh

Your part of the every Tom duck and Harry brigade also 🙄👍

im not standing there working out which dog owner has more rights to be in a human space 😂

I think your dogs are all annoying and wish you’d leave them at home.

BachAndByte · 01/09/2025 10:03

Emmafuller79 · 01/09/2025 10:02

Your part of the every Tom duck and Harry brigade also 🙄👍

im not standing there working out which dog owner has more rights to be in a human space 😂

I think your dogs are all annoying and wish you’d leave them at home.

You seriously expect someone with a genuine assistance dog to leave it at home?

Do you also object to wheelchairs?

Daygloboo · 01/09/2025 10:03

Iamnotalemming · 01/09/2025 09:58

I am fed up of dogs on trains. I was on a super crowded service recently and the only place I could find to sit was next to a woman with a dog that sat on my feet for the whole journey. I didn't mind so much but the dog smell, ugh, when you can't even open the window on the train anymore. There was a couple with a dog nearby on a four seat table, where I couldn't sit because they had bags over the spare seats. When a bolder traveller than me got on later and asked them to move the bags, they said they'd put them there to stop people their dog didn't know sit by them because it was aggressive with strangers and could bite!

That's funny😂What a pair of t*ers

WhatNoRaisins · 01/09/2025 10:04

The dogs in school is concerning. There's all this stuff about improving school attendance but if I'd had to worry about dealing with a large dog at school that could well have been the thing that tipped me into school refusal.

Ariela · 01/09/2025 10:09

They used to have kennels at Legoland (I'm going back years ago) where you could leave your dog while you went in.

MermaidMummy06 · 01/09/2025 10:13

I think some people have lost sight of a dog's needs & role & treat them like people.

i do find it amusing that a colleague, who is staunchly anti-children, has dogs who are so pandered to they are like toddlers who'll never grow up. They can't go out without getting a babysitter, a cough is an emergency vet visit, the dogs get her up in the middle of the night to let them out to toilet & then get her up at 6am for breakfast. Every night. When one passed she claimed paid bereavement leave. Her DH is the boss so she gets away with it!!

jamnpancakes · 01/09/2025 10:15

Dogs in changing rooms! Ffs just no!

ILoveWhales · 01/09/2025 10:15

Blanketenvy · 01/09/2025 10:01

PTS? My dog is literally having her best life 😅, loads of exercise, walks in the peak district, stimulation, playing, food and naps. She just struggles with being left on her own at home because she had a really hard start in life, which we are working on and is gradually improving.

But you cant leave her for an hour as she is too anxious and needs a behaviourist.

You're restricting your life for a dumb animal.

Your post highlights what's wrong - your dog is having the best life. Never mind the humans then.

ColourThief · 01/09/2025 10:16

ComtesseDeSpair · 31/08/2025 19:12

It’s the “fur baby” trend, which ignores animals’ needs in favour of owners’ wants. I come from a family of pragmatic working dog owners and breeders, and can’t identify with the “I love my dog and my dog must come everywhere with me because they’re family” attitude, because it just isn’t kind or loving. I saw a FB reel a while back about how dogs are now allowed in Selfridges and how wonderful that is, and just found that bonkers.

I find going to Selfridges stressful: the smells of the perfume concessions are overwhelming, it’s overfull of people milling about, there are strange staff constantly approaching out of nowhere to offer help, it’s about three shades of electric light brighter than I ever want, and almost every time I end up there I feel a rising sense of panic. I can’t imagine how it must feel if you’re a dog with no idea what’s going on, your face is barely a foot off the ground, you’re constantly seeing kicking feet flying towards you from people who can’t see you, and your olfactory senses are completely broken by everything you can smell. Why on earth anyone thinks it’s a good idea, let alone “wonderful” for their dog to go shopping with them, is a complete mystery.

Yep, this. Plus the term “fur baby” makes me gag 🤢

Although I’ll add, I’m not a dog lover at all and despise the things being anywhere near me.

Aubrielle · 01/09/2025 10:16

When I was at school in the late 1970's a couple of the teachers used to sometimes bring their dogs in. It's definitely not a new thing, but I don't remember anyone having an issue with it though. Our art teacher had two Chow Chows and all the girls adored them. My cousin went to a school where the headmistress had an Irish Wolfhound and I was slightly envious of that!

(And fwiw, before I'm told I don't understand allergies, I do. I live with it. I'm asthmatic and allergic to dogs, cats and horses)

Fannyannie · 01/09/2025 10:20

Emmafuller79 · 01/09/2025 09:47

Why do you feel the need to take an animal in to a shop? It’s not an animal space and lots of shoppers don’t like dogs for range of reasons. A dog can stay at home or something else suited to dogs

Um I don’t !!!

But I do love to see a beautiful well behaviours dog anywhere. It’s not the most appropriate place for dogs or much fun for a dog either.

StandFirm · 01/09/2025 10:22

BananaBum · 01/09/2025 06:30

Tbf you can send her to my table anytime. K-pop demon hunters is EPIC

Make sure you get them to sing Soda Pop as well- nice little ear worm that ;)

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 01/09/2025 10:22

Emmafuller79 · 01/09/2025 09:51

Like you say it’s not going to affect anyone else 🤷🏻‍♀️

what do you mean by that? 🤔

I mean what I said, I don’t know how to word it more simply 🤔

Velvian · 01/09/2025 10:23

PlanetJanette · 01/09/2025 09:49

But this is very binary view of how people live their lives. You went out clothes shopping. But many people in John Lewis won’t have gone out for the purposes of going shopping. They will have nipped in to grab something on their way to and from something else.

Aside from Christmas when I like the general buzz I can’t remember the last time I ‘went out shopping’ - as opposed to picking something up from a shop when I’m on my way to or from something else like work/socialising/dog walk etc

It's not appropriate to stop off at a department store with your dog when you've been out somewhere. There are plenty of times when you can't do something you need to do in that moment due to the specific circumstances, such as, realising you need bread or milk for the morning, but your DC are asleep. That's life.

Those people have probably been somewhere else that it's totally inappropriate to take a dog (despite it being allowed) in the first place.

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 01/09/2025 10:26

Velvian · 01/09/2025 10:23

It's not appropriate to stop off at a department store with your dog when you've been out somewhere. There are plenty of times when you can't do something you need to do in that moment due to the specific circumstances, such as, realising you need bread or milk for the morning, but your DC are asleep. That's life.

Those people have probably been somewhere else that it's totally inappropriate to take a dog (despite it being allowed) in the first place.

It is appropriate if the shop allows it and your dog isn’t stressed out by going in a shop, That’s life.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 01/09/2025 10:27

ComtesseDeSpair · 31/08/2025 19:12

It’s the “fur baby” trend, which ignores animals’ needs in favour of owners’ wants. I come from a family of pragmatic working dog owners and breeders, and can’t identify with the “I love my dog and my dog must come everywhere with me because they’re family” attitude, because it just isn’t kind or loving. I saw a FB reel a while back about how dogs are now allowed in Selfridges and how wonderful that is, and just found that bonkers.

I find going to Selfridges stressful: the smells of the perfume concessions are overwhelming, it’s overfull of people milling about, there are strange staff constantly approaching out of nowhere to offer help, it’s about three shades of electric light brighter than I ever want, and almost every time I end up there I feel a rising sense of panic. I can’t imagine how it must feel if you’re a dog with no idea what’s going on, your face is barely a foot off the ground, you’re constantly seeing kicking feet flying towards you from people who can’t see you, and your olfactory senses are completely broken by everything you can smell. Why on earth anyone thinks it’s a good idea, let alone “wonderful” for their dog to go shopping with them, is a complete mystery.

I think there is a mid position that most dog owners hold between your “pragmatic” view of dogs and “fur babies, I personallly can’t understand anyone being involved with dogs not seeing them as part of the family dogs are social animals and thrive as part of a family But everyone is different.

Singlemumtoadog · 01/09/2025 10:28

I also have a dog with Separation Anxiety. If I leave her alone, she howls/whines. I would feel awful if my neighbours were able to hear it, so I don't leave her alone. This does mean she comes out and about a lot!
The talk of putting a healthy dog to sleep is...grim. If I took my dog to the vet and said hey can you please administer a lethal injection because even though these shops have a dog friendly policy, I would rather kill my dog than risk inconveniencing John Lewis shoppers...they would, rightly, be absolutely horrified.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 01/09/2025 10:29

Velvian · 01/09/2025 10:23

It's not appropriate to stop off at a department store with your dog when you've been out somewhere. There are plenty of times when you can't do something you need to do in that moment due to the specific circumstances, such as, realising you need bread or milk for the morning, but your DC are asleep. That's life.

Those people have probably been somewhere else that it's totally inappropriate to take a dog (despite it being allowed) in the first place.

Why do you assume that’s it’s totally inappropriate to take a dog? Round us many people holiday with their dog. Most shops are dog friendly because people have to take their dog with them.

bloodredfeaturewall · 01/09/2025 10:34

there are a couple of routes I can only run when it rains. for some reason the idiot owners with out of control dogs don't seem to go walkies when it rains.