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To think my brother needs a kick up the backside?

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Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 14:59

My brother is 48 and lives in the family home with my 78-year-old mother. He has always lived there. He doesn't work and basically lives off her. Apart from occasional part-time jobs and side hussles (he used to write generic articles and post them on content sites) he's never really worked.

About fifteen years ago my father died. At the same time, my mother nursed her own mother through cancer. It was traumatic and she's been on anti-depressants ever since. It sounds as though my brother is just a parasite, but my mother can be very manipulative. I don't think he felt he could leave her. I know he feels trapped, and I know he feels a lot of shame. Because of the shame, and the fact he doesn't like leaving my mother alone, he has no social life and doesn't date.

The problem, of course, is what happens when my mother dies. I can't talk to my mother about it as she just starts crying. Besides, I live 100 miles away and have three kids (one of them disabled), so it isn't easy.

He talks in this casual way about what he'll do when mum dies – how he'll take his inheritance and buy a flat somewhere quiet. But he doesn't seem to grasp that he'll still have to pay council tax and food bills and heating costs, etc. Plus he'll be grieving for my mother and forced to look for work. It will be too much. Of course, that is assuming he even gets an inheritance. I emailed him the other night and tried to lay it on the line. I said "imagine you are 54 and mum has a stroke. She then needs round the clock care and has to go into a nursing home. All of a sudden you'll be totally alone. But on top of that, the government will take mum's savings and then her house to pay for the nursing costs. If she lives on for five or ten years, that's all your inheritance gone. You'll be a man in his mid-50s with no job, no savings, no CV, no pension, no partner, and no friends. Don't assume you can't end up homeless. That is how it happens. Remember, you're not in the system. You're not registered as mentally ill or unfit to work. You've never claimed benefits and you have no label you can hide behind."

He isn't a bad man. He's kind (he's great with my disabled daughter) and very likeable. I know people are going to say "is he autistic?" I'm pretty sure he isn't. When he was a teen, he had very bad social anxiety, then addiction problems. That wiped a lot of his 20s. I'd left home by then, and when dad died and mum had a breakdown I think he felt he couldn't leave. He completed a couple of degrees at the local university (MA in literature), but never did anything with them.

What can I say to them to wake them up? He needs to get out of the house and work. He needs to be saving for a pension. And he needs to be around people. Above all, he needs to prepare for mum's death – not just financially but emotionally and psychologically. He needs to build connections so he has people to turn to for support. The frustrating thing is he wouldn't find it that hard. He's tall and handsome. He's also funny and charming and well-read. It's such a waste. I think a big part of the problem is the shame he feels. He doesn't like dating or socialising because he has to tell people he lives with his mum.

I know someone will say "it's his problem," but I can't wash my hands of them. Like I said, he's a good person, and part of the reason he's got into this mess is that he cares about my mother and doesn't want to abandon her. But that means a) he's full of shame, b) he finds it hard to date or build friendships (because of the shame and the living situation), and c) he's got no motivation.

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BoarBrush · 31/08/2025 15:03

I don't think there's anything you can do really, sadly. He sounds like a guy I know, though he does work permanent nights to make sure he's at home when mums awake. It really won't end well but what else can you do?

KimHwn · 31/08/2025 15:07

You sound like a lovely sister.
The MA in literature may be a way into another social life- I wonder whether he'd join an online writing group, maybe, and try to play to his interest by writing? I've done a lot in creative writing therapy and it's very very useful when getting people to acknowledge their situations and then, slowly, move on.

Ddakji · 31/08/2025 15:08

That does sound very difficult for your brother.

Is there any kind of work he could do from home? He has an MA in literature, could he use that in some way? Could he learn to be a copy editor or proofreader, for example - do a course? He can then start earning while WFH at least.

And then maybe some kind of hobby? One where people don’t care about your background, just your interest in whatever it is.

toomuchfaff · 31/08/2025 15:11

the government will take mum's savings and then her house to pay for the nursing costs. If she lives on for five or ten years, that's all your inheritance gone.

This isnt true, they wont sell a house when someone else lives in it, if he is registered as living there, the house wont be sold. Get mum to put him on the house, even if its partial ownership, tenants in common if youre worried. Unless your primary goal is to get him off his arse...

WhatNoRaisins · 31/08/2025 15:14

I think you have to have realistic expectations here. Adults who live with their parents are treated differently, I can remember feeling unable to connect with other people when joining groups and I was much younger than him. I think the longer you are in this lifestyle the harder it is to get out of.

I'd focus on encouraging him with job hunting as that's something where they won't care if he lives with his parents.

hardtocare · 31/08/2025 15:18

My brother in law is very similar. I don’t know what he’ll do when FIL dies and it’s a scary thought. I like him but I don’t want to have to see him every weekend to give him company. He just refuses to get his own life independent of FIL

EmeraldShamrock000 · 31/08/2025 15:19

His situation is not unusual. It wouldn't be my dream of adulthood but it is usually a form of SN. Never growing up.
Has your DM got a will?
He'll have to work out the rest himself, he doesn't sound stupid.
He has carved an easy life out for himself.
He's probably good company for DM, picks up prescriptions, shopping, makes tea.
You're miles away from them.
Do you think DM would be better off living alone?
Is this about your share of inheritance?

zingally · 31/08/2025 15:20

Sadly, I don't think there's a lot you CAN do.

I've got an acquaintance who is very similar, but a woman. She's mid-40s and still in her childhood bedroom. Both parents are still alive, but in their late 70s/early 80s.
She can't drive (never has as far as I know), and hasn't had any sort of job since about 2009. Not even a bit of volunteering somewhere, despite being academically bright and in physically pretty decent shape.
She seems to spend her days either installed in front of the family computer, working on her various very niche fandoms, or hiding in her room frantic with rage and worry over tiny perceived slights from her parents over things like the boiler service man coming round and she hadn't been told.
She seems to struggle going any sort of distance without her mum in tow. She hasn't been away since a fairly disastrous fandom-adjacent trip about 3-4 years ago where her mum kept falling over and unable to walk far.
There's an older half brother who will, not unreasonably, want his share of the inheritance when the time comes.

I think it's going to be a shitshow. I feel sorry for her, but it's entirely self-inflicted, and her parents should have got on her case 20 years ago. I'm certain my parents wouldn't have let me behave like that.

ThejoyofNC · 31/08/2025 15:21

You can't force people to change.

Flossflower · 31/08/2025 15:24

You Have said when you talk to your Mum about it she just cries. So what!
She is probably mostly responsible for your brother’s failure to lead his own life. She has been selfish depending on your brother so much. Talk to your Mum even if she cries. Your brother is lucky he has a sister like you.

DemonsandMosquitoes · 31/08/2025 15:25

toomuchfaff · 31/08/2025 15:11

the government will take mum's savings and then her house to pay for the nursing costs. If she lives on for five or ten years, that's all your inheritance gone.

This isnt true, they wont sell a house when someone else lives in it, if he is registered as living there, the house wont be sold. Get mum to put him on the house, even if its partial ownership, tenants in common if youre worried. Unless your primary goal is to get him off his arse...

Not true, he would have to meet certain criteria. A spouse or partner, be incapacitated, someone over 60 or under 16. He doesn’t seem to have any of these qualifying criteria so they can indeed use the house.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 31/08/2025 15:35

He can put his name down now for social housing, as a back up plan.

MissyB1 · 31/08/2025 15:41

Flossflower · 31/08/2025 15:24

You Have said when you talk to your Mum about it she just cries. So what!
She is probably mostly responsible for your brother’s failure to lead his own life. She has been selfish depending on your brother so much. Talk to your Mum even if she cries. Your brother is lucky he has a sister like you.

I agree! Waterworks or no waterworks this is a conversation you mum needs to take part in! It’s very selfish of her to hide her head in the sand.

Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 16:29

KimHwn · 31/08/2025 15:07

You sound like a lovely sister.
The MA in literature may be a way into another social life- I wonder whether he'd join an online writing group, maybe, and try to play to his interest by writing? I've done a lot in creative writing therapy and it's very very useful when getting people to acknowledge their situations and then, slowly, move on.

He has done a few courses. I kept on at him to get out the house and at least do something (I thought it might be a good build up to paid work). He went to the ACL and did a few courses in 'life skills' and that sort of thing . He also went to an Italian class and an art class for a bit. But this was an hour a week and didn't lead to any real friendships. Superficial interaction is better than nothing, of course, but what he really needs is intimacy. He needs to build a support network for later life. He has no partner or kids, so he'll need friends.

The problem, I think, is that he's ashamed of living at home with his mother. That means he keeps everyone at arm's length. Once you get close to someone they ask questions (where do you live? Have you always lives at home? You mean you've never left!? etc). When you live at home it isn't just hard to date, it's hard to build relationships of any kind. As you say, his interest in literature could be a gateway to new friendships. He could join a bookclub or a Shakespeare society or something. He's actually a very good conversationalist. In fact, get him onto literature and he's wonderful. But if he meets someone he can't say "hey, come to mine at the weekend and we'll open a bottle of wine and chat books." It would be too awkward and embarrassing.

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toomuchfaff · 31/08/2025 16:29

DemonsandMosquitoes · 31/08/2025 15:25

Not true, he would have to meet certain criteria. A spouse or partner, be incapacitated, someone over 60 or under 16. He doesn’t seem to have any of these qualifying criteria so they can indeed use the house.

Long-Term Carer:
The adult child has given up their own home and lived in the property to care for the person needing care.

He would qualify under this criteria, hes her long term carer...

Ponoka7 · 31/08/2025 16:30

Are you sure that the house hasn't gone into his name? He'll have to live on something, so will claim benefits and things will evolve from there. The people in his position I've known have gone into over 55 housing. He'll either have enough for shared ownership, or will rent. How long do the women in your family live? He could be a pensioner by the time of her death. It's amazing what people do when they have to. At the moment he's under learned helplessness. He won't be when she's gone.

Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 16:33

Ddakji · 31/08/2025 15:08

That does sound very difficult for your brother.

Is there any kind of work he could do from home? He has an MA in literature, could he use that in some way? Could he learn to be a copy editor or proofreader, for example - do a course? He can then start earning while WFH at least.

And then maybe some kind of hobby? One where people don’t care about your background, just your interest in whatever it is.

The problem is his lack of work experience. His CV is a joke. One thing I've suggested is doing a TEFL course and maybe teaching English online. I'm not sure if there is much demand or whether he could earn much, but it might lead on to teaching in a language school. He could start with an online course and then do a CELTA qualification. If he taught over skype, he could maybe build up to working in a language school next summer. He has shown a little interest in this, actually, so maybe I'll keep on at him and wear him down😁

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Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 16:42

EmeraldShamrock000 · 31/08/2025 15:19

His situation is not unusual. It wouldn't be my dream of adulthood but it is usually a form of SN. Never growing up.
Has your DM got a will?
He'll have to work out the rest himself, he doesn't sound stupid.
He has carved an easy life out for himself.
He's probably good company for DM, picks up prescriptions, shopping, makes tea.
You're miles away from them.
Do you think DM would be better off living alone?
Is this about your share of inheritance?

No, it's not about inheritance. We're quite close and he's always said that if mum died he'd insist on selling the house and dividing everything 50/50. I completely trust him when it comes to money. If she has a stroke or develops dementia, that's out of both our hands.

In his case it isn't special needs. I see what you mean. I'm sure most people who end up like this have issues of some kind. The odd thing is he doesn't look or sound like the sort of man you'd imagine living at home with their mum in middle age. He's tall, charming, good-looking and an excellent conversationalist. If you met him, and then heard his life story, you'd probably be a little puzzled. He doesn't fit the stereotype, I suppose. If I described his life, you'd probably expect an unhealthy, overweight guy who sat up all night playing video games and had very poor social skills.

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Jasrai · 31/08/2025 16:50

How he chooses to live his life at 48 is his problem. I'm not sure why you've become his caseworker, but it sounds like you have enough on your plate.

Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 16:51

ThejoyofNC · 31/08/2025 15:21

You can't force people to change.

No, but maybe I can frighten him into doing something. I'm not really sure where he would stand if mum had a stroke or developed dementia and had to go into a nursing home. If I knew precisely what would happen (i.e if I could tell him he'd definitely be kicked out of the house), maybe that would get him moving. But I'm not really sure where he'd stand. No one seems clear on what his rights would be. So far as I understand it, if you are under 60 and not registered as unfit to work, you'd have to leave. Well, he has no label, isn't registered as unfit to work and has never claimed any benefits.

I mean, let's just say my mother did have a massive stroke and really did need to go into a nursing home and she lingered there for five or ten years, would he be homeless? Where would he go? Would the housing association find him emergency accommodation? Or a social housing flat? Or a place in a hostel? I have no idea how it works. Would he come home from visiting mum in the hospital to find social services or whoever waiting on the doorstep and then telling him to pack his bags? Can the local authority literally seize the house and kick him out into the street?

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Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 16:52

toomuchfaff · 31/08/2025 16:29

Long-Term Carer:
The adult child has given up their own home and lived in the property to care for the person needing care.

He would qualify under this criteria, hes her long term carer...

But my mother isn't registered as unwell. He isn't officially her carer and he doesn't claim carer's allowance.

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Catsandcwtches · 31/08/2025 17:06

If he’s really so handsome, tall and a good conversationalist then there will be people happy to date him whether he lives at home or not. I don’t think you realise how dire dating is when you’re in that age group! Don’t back up this feeling of shame he has, it doesn’t need to be necessary

Shuddabeenabloke · 31/08/2025 17:40

I agree with you OP. Quite apart from what would happen if your mum needed to go in to a home, it sounds like he is losing any chance he might have for a life of his own.

My uncle was in a similar position with my grandfather. At first I think it was a situation that suited them both- Uncle lacked motivation and enjoyed being free to read, watch TV, potter around with crafting hobbies etc for most of the day whilst Grandfather wanted company and was happy to pay for everything. Over time, he was not particularly happy with his life but knew he wouldn't find it easy to get a job/friends/partner when he had no real experience of anything outside of his childhood home. When Grandfather died, Uncle was in his late 50s and had to apply for social housing, claim benefits and eventually get a job. When he got used to his new lifestyle he seemed much happier and made a small group of friends. He only lived another 10 years and it seemed such a waste that so little of his life was spent building his own life. He was a clever, kind man and I'm sure that if he'd been persuaded to get a life of his own earlier he would have found a partner and maybe had a family (he always loved the children of the family and was amazing with them). Looking back, it seems incredibly selfish of his Dad to encourage him to live such a restricted life.

Do you think your brother could be persuaded to get a part time job outside the home, or perhaps a volunteer role, just so that he can spend some time with other people? I wonder if he might be inspired to look for more independence if he could see the possibility of having a life outside of being a carer?

If he ignores your advice, have you considered to what extent you would be prepared to help him when your mother dies and he is alone? My uncle had an expectation that family would look after him and was annoyed and upset when no-one offered him a home once the house was sold. Family did offer him practical help with getting his life together but it put quite a strain on some of his relationships with family as it seems he had just assumed that he would never need to work. If he is determined to stay with your mum for as long as possible I think it would help you in the long run if you were clear about this in advance.

toomuchfaff · 31/08/2025 17:58

Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 16:52

But my mother isn't registered as unwell. He isn't officially her carer and he doesn't claim carer's allowance.

You don't have to claim carers allowance to be a carer. I didnt with my mother but I was still classed as her carer. Although she lived with me not me with her, slightly different.

surprisebaby12 · 31/08/2025 18:06

It’s sad but it’s not really your problem to sort out, and you’ve got your plate full already.