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To think my brother needs a kick up the backside?

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Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 14:59

My brother is 48 and lives in the family home with my 78-year-old mother. He has always lived there. He doesn't work and basically lives off her. Apart from occasional part-time jobs and side hussles (he used to write generic articles and post them on content sites) he's never really worked.

About fifteen years ago my father died. At the same time, my mother nursed her own mother through cancer. It was traumatic and she's been on anti-depressants ever since. It sounds as though my brother is just a parasite, but my mother can be very manipulative. I don't think he felt he could leave her. I know he feels trapped, and I know he feels a lot of shame. Because of the shame, and the fact he doesn't like leaving my mother alone, he has no social life and doesn't date.

The problem, of course, is what happens when my mother dies. I can't talk to my mother about it as she just starts crying. Besides, I live 100 miles away and have three kids (one of them disabled), so it isn't easy.

He talks in this casual way about what he'll do when mum dies – how he'll take his inheritance and buy a flat somewhere quiet. But he doesn't seem to grasp that he'll still have to pay council tax and food bills and heating costs, etc. Plus he'll be grieving for my mother and forced to look for work. It will be too much. Of course, that is assuming he even gets an inheritance. I emailed him the other night and tried to lay it on the line. I said "imagine you are 54 and mum has a stroke. She then needs round the clock care and has to go into a nursing home. All of a sudden you'll be totally alone. But on top of that, the government will take mum's savings and then her house to pay for the nursing costs. If she lives on for five or ten years, that's all your inheritance gone. You'll be a man in his mid-50s with no job, no savings, no CV, no pension, no partner, and no friends. Don't assume you can't end up homeless. That is how it happens. Remember, you're not in the system. You're not registered as mentally ill or unfit to work. You've never claimed benefits and you have no label you can hide behind."

He isn't a bad man. He's kind (he's great with my disabled daughter) and very likeable. I know people are going to say "is he autistic?" I'm pretty sure he isn't. When he was a teen, he had very bad social anxiety, then addiction problems. That wiped a lot of his 20s. I'd left home by then, and when dad died and mum had a breakdown I think he felt he couldn't leave. He completed a couple of degrees at the local university (MA in literature), but never did anything with them.

What can I say to them to wake them up? He needs to get out of the house and work. He needs to be saving for a pension. And he needs to be around people. Above all, he needs to prepare for mum's death – not just financially but emotionally and psychologically. He needs to build connections so he has people to turn to for support. The frustrating thing is he wouldn't find it that hard. He's tall and handsome. He's also funny and charming and well-read. It's such a waste. I think a big part of the problem is the shame he feels. He doesn't like dating or socialising because he has to tell people he lives with his mum.

I know someone will say "it's his problem," but I can't wash my hands of them. Like I said, he's a good person, and part of the reason he's got into this mess is that he cares about my mother and doesn't want to abandon her. But that means a) he's full of shame, b) he finds it hard to date or build friendships (because of the shame and the living situation), and c) he's got no motivation.

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Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 20:07

One of the problems is that he's living in a dream world. He says "oh, when mum dies I'll buy a flat and maybe get a part-time job," as if it's the easiest thing in the world. But he doesn't consider the fact that he'll be grieving. Losing a parent is awful. I was in a depression for months after my dad died, and I know both me and my brother will struggle even more when mum goes. He needs to imagine the scenario. He needs to picture himself aged, say, 56, or 61. Mum has just died, and he's now got to face leaving the house in which he's lived all his life, going to an estate agents and buying a flat, moving in, and then being completely alone. It's not so bad when you're young and full of energy. But suddenly being alone in a one bedroom flat in your mid-50s or early 60s, with no job and no partner and no friends, is a different ball game. His inheritance will just cover buying the flat, so he'll have no money left over. He'll have to then find a part-time job or go on income support. The whole thing will be too much.

If he gets a job now, he will be able to earn and save money. (Another big worry is that he's never paid any National Insurance and so, presumably, won't get a state pension.) But not only will he save money, he'll meet new people. And he'll have a life outside the family home. Even if he's still living at home when mum dies, at least he'll have the cushion of some savings. He'll also have built up more life skills. Right now he knows nothing about phones or banks or insurance or any of the boring, practical stuff. If he was in the working world, he'd pick up all kinds of basic skills along the way.

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Dappy777 · 01/09/2025 11:52

Shuddabeenabloke · 31/08/2025 17:40

I agree with you OP. Quite apart from what would happen if your mum needed to go in to a home, it sounds like he is losing any chance he might have for a life of his own.

My uncle was in a similar position with my grandfather. At first I think it was a situation that suited them both- Uncle lacked motivation and enjoyed being free to read, watch TV, potter around with crafting hobbies etc for most of the day whilst Grandfather wanted company and was happy to pay for everything. Over time, he was not particularly happy with his life but knew he wouldn't find it easy to get a job/friends/partner when he had no real experience of anything outside of his childhood home. When Grandfather died, Uncle was in his late 50s and had to apply for social housing, claim benefits and eventually get a job. When he got used to his new lifestyle he seemed much happier and made a small group of friends. He only lived another 10 years and it seemed such a waste that so little of his life was spent building his own life. He was a clever, kind man and I'm sure that if he'd been persuaded to get a life of his own earlier he would have found a partner and maybe had a family (he always loved the children of the family and was amazing with them). Looking back, it seems incredibly selfish of his Dad to encourage him to live such a restricted life.

Do you think your brother could be persuaded to get a part time job outside the home, or perhaps a volunteer role, just so that he can spend some time with other people? I wonder if he might be inspired to look for more independence if he could see the possibility of having a life outside of being a carer?

If he ignores your advice, have you considered to what extent you would be prepared to help him when your mother dies and he is alone? My uncle had an expectation that family would look after him and was annoyed and upset when no-one offered him a home once the house was sold. Family did offer him practical help with getting his life together but it put quite a strain on some of his relationships with family as it seems he had just assumed that he would never need to work. If he is determined to stay with your mum for as long as possible I think it would help you in the long run if you were clear about this in advance.

Yes, I agree, it is a waste. Then again, many people follow the conventional path (marry, pursue a career, have children), yet end up suicidally unhappy. I wouldn't say my brother is unhappy, tbh. Or even that he feels unfulfilled. What bothers me is what's going to happen to him when my mother dies. He really needs a kick up the arse about this. He isn't thinking it through. For a start he's just assuming he'll get his inheritance. But if mum has to go into a nursing home for years her savings will be taken and then so will the house. That will mean he'll be wrenched out of his comfortable existence and forced to beg the Housing Association for a grotty one bedroom flat or place in a hostel. To say that will be a shock is an understatement – especially for an introvert who hates noise and stress.

But even if he does get his full inheritance I think it will be too much to go from living the way he does now (no job, no routine, no life outside the house, and no friends) to suddenly living on his own and looking for work – in his mid-50s or early 60s. He's never left home ffs. Most people leave home in their teens or 20s, and they have family support when they do so. He'll be thrown out into the real world at 55 or 60 with no one behind him. That's hard even for someone used to be being alone. But to someone who's never been alone I worry it will be too much.

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FuzzyWolf · 01/09/2025 12:06

Social anxiety, addiction and shame can all go together and be the main signs people see of a high masking autistic person. Not that he necessarily is autistic, but it’s not normal neurotypical behaviour to live how he has and continue to do. It could be something else, such as long term depression or mental health illness.

I think you were very unreasonable to say “you have no label you can hide behind” and I’d probably not bother interacting, responding or take that well either.

FuzzyWolf · 01/09/2025 12:07

You are also being very presumptive about how he feels and projecting your feelings onto the situation despite him giving no indication he feels or worries the same as you.

JNicholson · 01/09/2025 17:07

@Dappy777 this is your third thread about this in a month, the last one which was quite recent got lots of replies. Is there something you’re hoping to get from this one that you didn’t get from the previous ones? I mean this gently but if you’ve told your brother your concerns, is it maybe time to accept you’ve done what you can do and focus on other things? I’m sorry as you’re clearly worried about him, but you’re probably not doing your own mental health any good by ruminating about it endlessly. How are things in your own life? Is there stuff you can do to make that better, given that’s more in your control?

Thundertoast · 01/09/2025 17:12

Oh I can feel the worry in your voice - you sound like such a caring sister.
Can I ask what he's like with practical matters, so outside of bills. Housework, gardening, cooking etc?

BooneyBeautiful · 02/09/2025 00:37

DemonsandMosquitoes · 31/08/2025 15:25

Not true, he would have to meet certain criteria. A spouse or partner, be incapacitated, someone over 60 or under 16. He doesn’t seem to have any of these qualifying criteria so they can indeed use the house.

Another exemption is:

A friend or relative who acted as a carer, especially if they gave up their own home to provide care. In this situation, the local authority has the discretion to disregard the property.

As he has always lived with his parents, the local authority might decide to disregard the property, or at least just put a charge on the house until he leaves/dies.

Which either way, he will need a regular income to cover his living costs, so initially may have to claim Universal Credit.

BooneyBeautiful · 02/09/2025 00:42

Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 16:52

But my mother isn't registered as unwell. He isn't officially her carer and he doesn't claim carer's allowance.

No, but he is unofficially her carer, so that might count. She doesn't claim Attendance Allowance, but that doesn't mean she isn't entitled to it. If she was awarded it, your brother could then claim Carers Allowance.

Pryceosh1987 · 02/09/2025 00:51

You are 100 miles away to care for your mother, your brother is there with her. This is good. She needs someone to care about her. Although i do admit i would help around the house myself.

TammyJones · 02/09/2025 08:44

JNicholson · 01/09/2025 17:07

@Dappy777 this is your third thread about this in a month, the last one which was quite recent got lots of replies. Is there something you’re hoping to get from this one that you didn’t get from the previous ones? I mean this gently but if you’ve told your brother your concerns, is it maybe time to accept you’ve done what you can do and focus on other things? I’m sorry as you’re clearly worried about him, but you’re probably not doing your own mental health any good by ruminating about it endlessly. How are things in your own life? Is there stuff you can do to make that better, given that’s more in your control?

I thought i Recognised the post, almost word for word.
Unless you are offering a roof over his head after the house is sold, he will buy his flat , get a job, or apply for benefit - or apply for social housing.
you’d be surprised what people do when they have to.

TammyJones · 02/09/2025 08:44

JNicholson · 01/09/2025 17:07

@Dappy777 this is your third thread about this in a month, the last one which was quite recent got lots of replies. Is there something you’re hoping to get from this one that you didn’t get from the previous ones? I mean this gently but if you’ve told your brother your concerns, is it maybe time to accept you’ve done what you can do and focus on other things? I’m sorry as you’re clearly worried about him, but you’re probably not doing your own mental health any good by ruminating about it endlessly. How are things in your own life? Is there stuff you can do to make that better, given that’s more in your control?

I thought Recognised the post, almost word for word.
Unless you are offering a roof over his head after the house is sold, he will buy his flat , get a job, or apply for benefit - apply for social housing.
youd be surprised what people do when they have To

TammyJones · 02/09/2025 08:44

JNicholson · 01/09/2025 17:07

@Dappy777 this is your third thread about this in a month, the last one which was quite recent got lots of replies. Is there something you’re hoping to get from this one that you didn’t get from the previous ones? I mean this gently but if you’ve told your brother your concerns, is it maybe time to accept you’ve done what you can do and focus on other things? I’m sorry as you’re clearly worried about him, but you’re probably not doing your own mental health any good by ruminating about it endlessly. How are things in your own life? Is there stuff you can do to make that better, given that’s more in your control?

I thought Recognised the post, almost word for word.
Unless you are offering a roof over his head after the house is sold, he will buy his flat , get a job, or apply for benefit - apply for social housing.
youd be surprised what people do when they have To

Dappy777 · 02/09/2025 13:03

Thundertoast · 01/09/2025 17:12

Oh I can feel the worry in your voice - you sound like such a caring sister.
Can I ask what he's like with practical matters, so outside of bills. Housework, gardening, cooking etc?

He does all the cooking and food shopping. He cuts the grass and takes the dog out as well. But when it comes to dealing with people, he is still uncomfortable (he had bad social anxiety when young, and used drink and drugs to mask it, which led to addiction problems). So, for example, he would never take the car to a mechanic. My mother still does that (at 78). And he hasn't got a clue about things like tax, pensions, National Insurance, buying and selling property, and so on. I have mentioned shame a few times, but I really think that's the key to his character. He is ashamed of his life and so avoids people. But the clock is ticking. When my mother gets ill or dies, he will be forced out into the real world.

The saddest thing is that he never had a chance to grow. He is a shadow of the man he could have been. If he'd been able to get away from home and start his own life, I think the social anxiety would have disappeared. The shame feeds the social anxiety.

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frozendaisy · 02/09/2025 13:07

He will be passed over to you to look after him @Dappy777 that’s what will happen .

GoldDuster · 02/09/2025 13:24

He is a shadow of the man he could have been.

What you need to do is accept that he is the man that he is, with his own free will, making choices that suit him. He is doing what he wants to do, and it doesn't align with what you want him to do. But he is sovereign over his own life, you don't get to frighten him, cajole him, persuade him into living differently, or show him the one true way.

You don't even get to do this to your children, let alone your adult siblings.

Sunnysideup999 · 02/09/2025 13:36

FuzzyWolf · 01/09/2025 12:07

You are also being very presumptive about how he feels and projecting your feelings onto the situation despite him giving no indication he feels or worries the same as you.

I do agree with this . You’re anxious about his future - he isn’t . He’s living a life with his mum whilst she is still here . You’re three steps ahead - but people are different - and think differently. There’s no right or wrong way to do life OP.
are you worried he will become burdensome to you ? Is this your underlying anxiety?

JNicholson · 02/09/2025 14:38

Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 16:51

No, but maybe I can frighten him into doing something. I'm not really sure where he would stand if mum had a stroke or developed dementia and had to go into a nursing home. If I knew precisely what would happen (i.e if I could tell him he'd definitely be kicked out of the house), maybe that would get him moving. But I'm not really sure where he'd stand. No one seems clear on what his rights would be. So far as I understand it, if you are under 60 and not registered as unfit to work, you'd have to leave. Well, he has no label, isn't registered as unfit to work and has never claimed any benefits.

I mean, let's just say my mother did have a massive stroke and really did need to go into a nursing home and she lingered there for five or ten years, would he be homeless? Where would he go? Would the housing association find him emergency accommodation? Or a social housing flat? Or a place in a hostel? I have no idea how it works. Would he come home from visiting mum in the hospital to find social services or whoever waiting on the doorstep and then telling him to pack his bags? Can the local authority literally seize the house and kick him out into the street?

Why do you want to frighten him? Do you feel resentful that he’s had a life involving less traditional adult responsibility than yours? Are you worried about him becoming a burden to you after your mum’s gone (which is a fair enough worry, if so)?

Why would social services or the local authority be kicking him into the street? Does your mum own her house? Presumably she’s left it to you both in her will? If you need to sell it to fund her care, that would be a decision for both of you to make. You can’t sell it overnight, so he’d surely have at least a bit of time to make plans about what to do next.

TorroFerney · 02/09/2025 15:27

Dappy777 · 31/08/2025 16:51

No, but maybe I can frighten him into doing something. I'm not really sure where he would stand if mum had a stroke or developed dementia and had to go into a nursing home. If I knew precisely what would happen (i.e if I could tell him he'd definitely be kicked out of the house), maybe that would get him moving. But I'm not really sure where he'd stand. No one seems clear on what his rights would be. So far as I understand it, if you are under 60 and not registered as unfit to work, you'd have to leave. Well, he has no label, isn't registered as unfit to work and has never claimed any benefits.

I mean, let's just say my mother did have a massive stroke and really did need to go into a nursing home and she lingered there for five or ten years, would he be homeless? Where would he go? Would the housing association find him emergency accommodation? Or a social housing flat? Or a place in a hostel? I have no idea how it works. Would he come home from visiting mum in the hospital to find social services or whoever waiting on the doorstep and then telling him to pack his bags? Can the local authority literally seize the house and kick him out into the street?

No you can’t frighten him into doing something. If that were the case there would be no drug addicts /alcoholics as they’d be scared out of it. He’s not you, you are approaching it with your brain and your feelings, they aren’t his feelings. It’s making you feel bad so you are trying to force him into doing something as you don’t like the feeling it brings up in you as it’s not a nice feeling.

i think all you can do is be there if he asks you for help. It’s a bit like having an elderly parent who doesn’t listen , you just need to bed in and wait for that to happen.

ComfortFoodCafe · 02/09/2025 15:35

get her on attendance allowance if she needs it and him claiming carers allowance, he will have some protection doing so.

rookiemere · 02/09/2025 15:49

My cousin is in a similar situation with her DB, but I have to say as an only DC to DPs who live an hour away, you will at least be spared most of the heavy lifting for your DM as he is in the house with her.

You can’t change your DB and you can’t change your DM, the only person you have power over is yourself. It sounds like you need to step away and let DB make his own choices. If he expresses unhappiness or concerns, then you can make helpful suggestions, but it doesn’t sound like he wants your input.

CuriousCatCat · 04/09/2025 15:53

I think if your mum doesn’t claim attendance alliance and doesn’t want to, she should pay voluntary national insurance contributions for him, it’s about £800 a yr, he can go back 6 years I think. If he’s 48 and pays back to when he was 42 he could have 25 years of contributions by retirement age. He should check his national insurance record, he may have accumulated a couple of years earlier in his life, I’m 51 and I’m sure the government back in the day, gave 16-18 year olds in full time education Nat ins credits. A full pension is 35 years, so he wouldn’t have a full pension but not too far off, each year missing is worth about £5 a week. So if he has 27 years, he’d only be about £35/week short of a full pension. I think you should have this conversation with your mum despite her tears, her life is much easier because he lives with her and I think it’s reasonable that she helps him in this way. If money is very short I think this should still happen but maybe it could be viewed as a loan deducted from his share of inheritance. Contributing Nat ins is the cheapest and easiest way to help your brother in his old age. It should be started as soon as possible because you can only go back 6 years.

If your mother is in good health would she consider signing half the house over to him now and leaving the other half to you in her will?

JNicholson · 04/09/2025 16:11

CuriousCatCat · 04/09/2025 15:53

I think if your mum doesn’t claim attendance alliance and doesn’t want to, she should pay voluntary national insurance contributions for him, it’s about £800 a yr, he can go back 6 years I think. If he’s 48 and pays back to when he was 42 he could have 25 years of contributions by retirement age. He should check his national insurance record, he may have accumulated a couple of years earlier in his life, I’m 51 and I’m sure the government back in the day, gave 16-18 year olds in full time education Nat ins credits. A full pension is 35 years, so he wouldn’t have a full pension but not too far off, each year missing is worth about £5 a week. So if he has 27 years, he’d only be about £35/week short of a full pension. I think you should have this conversation with your mum despite her tears, her life is much easier because he lives with her and I think it’s reasonable that she helps him in this way. If money is very short I think this should still happen but maybe it could be viewed as a loan deducted from his share of inheritance. Contributing Nat ins is the cheapest and easiest way to help your brother in his old age. It should be started as soon as possible because you can only go back 6 years.

If your mother is in good health would she consider signing half the house over to him now and leaving the other half to you in her will?

This is good advice. I’d add that I think if your brother is self-employed and earns over £1000 a year (I think you’ve previously mentioned him writing for websites and stuff), he can register as self-employed and pay Class 2 rather than Class 3 National Insurance contributions, which will be several hundred pounds cheaper per year. The relevant info will be on gov.uk.

JNicholson · 04/09/2025 16:14

That might also mean though that he needs to do a self-employed tax return.

Shmoigel · 04/09/2025 16:17

This is literally my BIL too!

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