To think people who work part-time shouldn’t get the same promotion chances as full-timers?

[ThatCandidBear]

If you’re only doing 3 days a week, how is it fair to expect the same career progression as someone putting in 5? AIBU to think promotion opportunities should be tied to hours worked?

Haven’t RTFT but I was passed over for a promotion because I was part time. My friend (an employment lawyer) said that it was indirect sex discrimination since it’s mainly women who go part time. I didn’t pursue it (and got the promotion in the end) but I think you don’t have the law on your side, OP.

Yeah, when I ran a small business, we were really flexible with our approach to hours and roles. People could be promoted into roles with shorter hours and end up on the same take home pay, increase, decrease, buy more holiday, barter for more in lieu of a payrise.

We reaped the benefit in getting loyal and knowledgeable staff to fill niches and specialisms. It was great.

I went part time after I had children, 5 hours a day, 5 days a week and was never thought of for any thing any more.
it was like, part time weren’t really staff members and it was hurtful.
Some days I done more in my 5 hours than a full time employee done.
so I done my job & went home.
your only a number

Gave up my chance of career advancement when I went part term- hard enough to get promoted past men in my industry when u work full time let alone part time. No regrets though.

Ridiculous view and nothing more to be said really.

So able bodied men are top of the promotion pile?

I stopped listening at the word ‘only’.

When I worked’part-time’ in a criminal justice legal role, I was working at least 45 hours during my official 3 days a week. Anyone who uses the word only in relation to that can fuck right off. The only ‘only’ about it is the pay.

Ever heard of discrimination against the part time worker?

Lots of women work part time, normally for childcare reasons . You’d basically make it impossible to progress if you were a women with a child.

What a depressing thread. It's illegal to discriminate against part time workers for good reason. Women and disabled people are more likely to be part time. If you deny career progression to part time staff in favour of full timers then you indirectly discriminate against women and disabled people. The best person should be promoted.

This. Guessing you have no children op?

I work my arse off, I am master's degree educated, regularly work additional hours and am excellent at every aspect of my role. You're telling me I haven't earned career progression?

So women deserved to be held back for taking time out to look after young children but men can just carry on and have a great career. And people wonder why the wage gap persists. 🙄

Surely being promoted is about having the attributes, skills etc for the job... not the hours put in.

controversial post!! i’m amazed that you even thought about it - of course part time mums should get promoted! the same as full time!!

Wow

It's not their fault you didn't get promoted because you aren't as good as they are at the job, or at writing an application. Your issues should not be projected onto other people, because it's a -you- problem only. It's not fair, it's spiteful, it's extremely self-e titled, self-centered, and narcissistic. A narcissist will blame everyone but themselves. You need to deal with your problems in a more appropriate manner.

This argument is inherently sexist. If you are a woman and have made some humans to populate the planet you may well have taken time off and return part-time. It’s just not ok to downgrade career opportunities for mothers as compared with other people. Its a tricky balance but you can’t treat us like second grade workers.

Well in many jobs they would be paid pro rata for that. I had pro rata pay for a promotion but was expected to carry out the full role. So while I was getting career progression I was being underpaid and expected to complete more work in the time I was given than a full timer. It was the thing which finally pushed me back to full time work.

Not providing equal promotion opportunities to part time workers would likely fall under indirect discrimination, disadvantaging people with protected characteristics. Think about the type of people who are more likely to work part time; parents (often women), maybe those with a disability. Those are protected characteristics and therefore it is illegal to discriminate (including indirectly).

No I don't think promotion should be tied to hours worked.
As a business, I guess it depends on what you're looking for with the 'promoted' job. If you need that job to be full time hours it may not be possible to promote a part timer, unless they are willing to up their hours or a job share is viable. Two part timers would need to be the best candidates in that situation though.

I find in practice it’s rarely the part timers who get promoted but I think everyone should be considered. I do think it disadvantages oarents / carers otherwise (normally women!) as more often to be part time duevto other commitments. If should be about capability of doing job.

If the role requires full-time coverage, then that's what it should have.

But that doesn't mean it needs a full-time worker, in most cases the needs could be met by 2 people working p/t hours.

I work for an organisation that really recognises the need for work/life balance. There are staff on f/t contracts that are doing a management role for part of the work and a more junior role the remainder of the week and all sorts of different permutations. One management role that was advertised as f/t went to two staff as a job share, because both of them were outstanding applicants who wanted to work p/t.

My team includes 2 f/t staff, and several p/t timers, hours range from 17 to 30. There is no unfairness, we all perform well above targets and expectations. The only time there has been a performance issue was when a new colleague started and proved to be a skiving bastard. They were put on a PMP, and left soon after.

Ability to do the job would be top of my list. FT or PT. You get brilliant FT and PTers. We’ve all worked in places where that’s true and with people who believe putting in more hours makes them good at what they do even in fact they might not be as productive or as capable

That is complete nonsense.
Promotion should be linked to performance not the number of hours worked!
I have worked with part time people who get more done in 30 hours than others do in 40.
By OPs reasoning someone who is inefficient at their job but works overtime every day should get promotion just because they are at work longer.