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To expect to find someone who doesn't just want sex?

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Darkrod3 · 24/08/2025 10:14

Long story short. Been single for 3 years. Previously in a 20 year relationship/marriage. Never did the whole OLD as it wasn't thing back then. Spent 2.5 years single just enjoying my kids. Got a bit lonely on a Friday and Saturday evening, so I thought I'd give Tinder a go. Worse mistake of my life! The amount of time wasters, conversations that fizzle despite them popping up first.

I met one man I actually caught feelings for, he turned out to be a narcissist who played weird mind games and used this push pull technique to keep me hooked. The whole thing only lasted 4 months but he made me so ill I had to have therapy. Too much to go into.

second man I met was weird, never had a relationship and he was nearly 40. He was very introverted that's why he said he couldn't maintain relationships. I had sex with him on the first date, as I wanted to and liked his company. Problem was I made it my goal to bring him out of his shell, I took him places I don't think he wanted to go, as I was always the one contacting him to make plans. In the end he started getting overwhelmed I actually suspect he has some form of autism. He become mean picking me up on small things on my behaviour and appearance, when I snapped and said a few things back he blocked me.

anyway spoke to my therapist and she said I need to go for someone normal. I matched with a guy, he was very sweet, told me his ex had cheated on him. Listened to all my stuff attentively, invited me back to his, he didn't try to have sex, weirdly enough was showing me around his house. Very house proud. Pen to paper he should be someone I should go for, he has a lovely house, good job, he listens but I wasn't attracted to him. He would text daily saying morning and asking how my day was. Problem was he would text me first then reply hours later. Anyway I thought give him another chance to see if attraction grew. We went for a walk in a park and a drink, we chatted. At the end of the date no hugs, I got no vibe from him that he liked me. I still didn't fancy him. Anyway he messaged all week then asked how my night out was, I replied and he never text back again. I thought best to leave it. But was a bit annoyed, as seemed rude!

so my therapist said I need to start telling people I don't find them attractive, to stop people pleasing as I have all these men on WhatsApp that keep popping up randomly just to chat.

so a few weeks later I messaged the nice man to say I didn't think there was a connection and I guess he didn't either but asked his advise on online dating. He agreed that I was cool and he liked my company but didn't feel a connection. Anyway he asked if I'd go for a walk again as friends. I agreed.

met him and he looked really fit. I don't know if it's because there was no expectation anymore or what it was. He complemented me and said I looked beautiful. Anyway he started talking about his ex and how she wouldn't be intimate with him, I said you mean "sex" we both laughed. Then I seen him differently.

I text him when I got home saying I found him really fit today and the sexual side was nice as that what was lacking first two dates as I'd friend zoned him. He said the same. So he invited me to his house Friday, we watched a movie, drank wine and had sex. Prior to that he was taking about not wanting a full on committed relationship (straight away) as he likes his alone time to do his own thing or visit his family. There was hypothetical chat like if we started seeing each other, it would be casual as see how it goes from there. Which seemed normal to me. I get overwhelmed at the thought of jumping into a mad, full on relationship.

We had sex and it was good, definitely seen a different side to him. We cuddled for ages and every-time I tried to leave, he asked me to stay longer. He messaged me a few times (always first) yesterday saying he enjoyed the company and telling me about his day and asking about mine. I asked if he wanted to go to the cinema mid week and he said he will get back to me as he will need to look what's on.

He so far hasn't messaged me today, normally always a good morning text: I'm so annoyed! I feel used for sex, like it's a bit obvious he doesn't want to do anything that's not sex related. Otherwise he'd have just said yes straight away. I literally give up. I'm really sad.

Im attracted naturally to emotionally unavailable men, then when i give the nice ones a chance they are no different. So am I being unreasonable to tar all men with the same brush, whether they start off as nice or toxic they all just want one thing!

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Lalgarh · 24/08/2025 22:43

Im is n this WhatsApp group for dates and a guy asked earlier :
"Alright, be honest ..from a lady’s point of view, what kind of first message from a guy actually makes you smile instead of roll your eyes?"

Woman 1 puts "Something that tells me a bit more about that person than just hi, a little humour and one that actually leads on to a proper conversation.
When one starts with hi, how's your weekend? It makes me yawn"

Woman 2 puts "
"hi, how are you?""

Man 1 puts laugh emojis😂

Man 2 then enters the chat with "I’m not a woman but I feel like that’s too closed of that makes sense!"

Then follows up with "A typical more open ended question similar to this is “what do you like about your job?”"

2 sexes divided by the same language

Darkrod3 · 24/08/2025 22:58

Lalgarh · 24/08/2025 22:43

Im is n this WhatsApp group for dates and a guy asked earlier :
"Alright, be honest ..from a lady’s point of view, what kind of first message from a guy actually makes you smile instead of roll your eyes?"

Woman 1 puts "Something that tells me a bit more about that person than just hi, a little humour and one that actually leads on to a proper conversation.
When one starts with hi, how's your weekend? It makes me yawn"

Woman 2 puts "
"hi, how are you?""

Man 1 puts laugh emojis😂

Man 2 then enters the chat with "I’m not a woman but I feel like that’s too closed of that makes sense!"

Then follows up with "A typical more open ended question similar to this is “what do you like about your job?”"

2 sexes divided by the same language

Are you basically saying everyone is different? I agree but surely all these convos from men are aimed at getting sex?

that's the thing, it doesn't matter if a man starts off with a compliment or a boring question like how has your day been, the annoying thing is no matter what they instigate it then disappear

I just had a ment down, unmatched everyone on tinder, paused it, deleted my fb, and deleted all old contacts on WhatsApp that were off ttindder but convos that went no where. Shock horror! This one who has not opened my messages since lunch time, franticly starts phoning me, then asks why I've deleted him off everywhere.i just explained that it dawned on me none of these relationships were gonna go anywhere. Then he begged me to meet him tomorrow after branding me insane 🤣

maybe the old saying " trust them mean keep them kean actually works" 🤣

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Lalgarh · 24/08/2025 23:01

Oh yeah later in it absorbed "how are you" into an opening gambit for a pick up line 🤮

Darkrod3 · 24/08/2025 23:11

Lalgarh · 24/08/2025 23:01

Oh yeah later in it absorbed "how are you" into an opening gambit for a pick up line 🤮

I see a lot of memes saying " Im done telling 12 men a day, how my days been" 🤣 yep
pretty much

it's soooo tideous!!!

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Lalgarh · 24/08/2025 23:20

I just put something neutral

heraldgerald · 24/08/2025 23:55

The best dating advice ive ever been given-

If youre looking for a nice boyfriend be clear to yourself and all you match with that is what you want and tell them that you are not looking for casual sex at all.
Do not sleep with anyone until they have committed to exclusivity.

Block and delete anyone who does not treat you with the utmost respect, goes hot and cold, plays games or makes you feel uncomfortable or negative in any way.
Always treat other people with kindness respect and clarity.
Widen your social circle snd say yes to all social opportunities through friends.

Do this over and over again, possibly for a few years but you will meet someone lovely.

DonnaBanana · 25/08/2025 00:04

Just be honest! Isn’t that the best policy? Say look I’m not a prude and I do enjoy sex under the right conditions but it’s not as important as everything else so let’s see how our relationship goes first before we get into all that side of it.

JHound · 25/08/2025 00:31

From what I see and hear finding a man looking for more than just sex is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Truly a unicorn

JHound · 25/08/2025 00:35

“met him and he looked really fit. I don't know if it's because there was no expectation anymore or what it was. He complemented me and said I looked beautiful. Anyway he started talking about his ex and how she wouldn't be intimate with him, I said you mean "sex" we both laughed. Then I seen him differently.”

I find men who bring up sex early typically just want sex

Darkrod3 · 25/08/2025 10:41

JHound · 25/08/2025 00:35

“met him and he looked really fit. I don't know if it's because there was no expectation anymore or what it was. He complemented me and said I looked beautiful. Anyway he started talking about his ex and how she wouldn't be intimate with him, I said you mean "sex" we both laughed. Then I seen him differently.”

I find men who bring up sex early typically just want sex

I see a lot of memes saying " Im done telling 12 men a day, how my days been" 🤣 yep
pretty much

it's soooo tideous!!!

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Darkrod3 · 25/08/2025 10:48

JHound · 25/08/2025 00:35

“met him and he looked really fit. I don't know if it's because there was no expectation anymore or what it was. He complemented me and said I looked beautiful. Anyway he started talking about his ex and how she wouldn't be intimate with him, I said you mean "sex" we both laughed. Then I seen him differently.”

I find men who bring up sex early typically just want sex

Well I've probably ruined it now anyway, I keep seeing videos on not accepting breadcrumbs. So I text him calling him out saying " I know everyone's texting styles are different but expect interest; and when I asked you to go to the cinema, you didn't give me a straightforward answer, if you just plan on keeping me around for Friday night sex sessions and lame good morning texts with not much in between I'd rather take myself out of the equation"

he replied saying my text was too much to read but he does like me and likes my company in many ways so doesn't understand where all this has come from and said he's found a movie we can go and watch.

he hasnt replied to my sorry and yes we can still go text. I give up! I think all this relationship advice online is a bit dangerous. Maybe just sit back and giving stuff time naturally is best 🤦‍♀️

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PollyBell · 25/08/2025 11:06

Darkrod3 · 25/08/2025 10:48

Well I've probably ruined it now anyway, I keep seeing videos on not accepting breadcrumbs. So I text him calling him out saying " I know everyone's texting styles are different but expect interest; and when I asked you to go to the cinema, you didn't give me a straightforward answer, if you just plan on keeping me around for Friday night sex sessions and lame good morning texts with not much in between I'd rather take myself out of the equation"

he replied saying my text was too much to read but he does like me and likes my company in many ways so doesn't understand where all this has come from and said he's found a movie we can go and watch.

he hasnt replied to my sorry and yes we can still go text. I give up! I think all this relationship advice online is a bit dangerous. Maybe just sit back and giving stuff time naturally is best 🤦‍♀️

Well of course random internet advice is not the best why would this be a surprise?

Game playing never works

JHound · 25/08/2025 11:33

Darkrod3 · 25/08/2025 10:48

Well I've probably ruined it now anyway, I keep seeing videos on not accepting breadcrumbs. So I text him calling him out saying " I know everyone's texting styles are different but expect interest; and when I asked you to go to the cinema, you didn't give me a straightforward answer, if you just plan on keeping me around for Friday night sex sessions and lame good morning texts with not much in between I'd rather take myself out of the equation"

he replied saying my text was too much to read but he does like me and likes my company in many ways so doesn't understand where all this has come from and said he's found a movie we can go and watch.

he hasnt replied to my sorry and yes we can still go text. I give up! I think all this relationship advice online is a bit dangerous. Maybe just sit back and giving stuff time naturally is best 🤦‍♀️

I think there is a lot of good advice on line (as well as bad) but don’t know any that would advise you send a message like that!

But at least just clarifying lets you move on. As others have said though, if you want to avoid men just seeking sex you have to stop having sex with them so early.

Which I know is VERY hard when you like sex. But a lot easier to get over a man doing the slow fade when you have not had sex with him.

Darkrod3 · 25/08/2025 11:43

JHound · 25/08/2025 11:33

I think there is a lot of good advice on line (as well as bad) but don’t know any that would advise you send a message like that!

But at least just clarifying lets you move on. As others have said though, if you want to avoid men just seeking sex you have to stop having sex with them so early.

Which I know is VERY hard when you like sex. But a lot easier to get over a man doing the slow fade when you have not had sex with him.

That's the thing, I'm too tolerant then I get so annoyed due to lots of poor men's behaviour that I take it out on one person. Yes I guess I was looking for a straight answer. Not that a man if he did want to keep me hanging on for sex would admit it anyway, so don't really know what I was hoping to achieve. I guess I wanted him to just say yes I'm not 100% feeling it', but then we have only been on 3 dates, so subjectively I wouldn't expect him to be real sure of his feelings for me.

I do agree that after I've had sex it's harder to stop thinking of them, so that needs to change.

I don't look at it like men use me for sex, if we both want sex that's fine. I just wish men would make it more clear prior to sex that's all it will be. I guess then they wouldn't get it so easily then though x

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Darkrod3 · 25/08/2025 11:46

PollyBell · 25/08/2025 11:06

Well of course random internet advice is not the best why would this be a surprise?

Game playing never works

I text back fast, to everyone. Even if I don't like someone. I'm finding myself delaying texts to match his energy thinking I'm coming across to needy.

however if someone really likes you, I truly believe it makes no difference

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Missj25 · 25/08/2025 19:13

thishastobetheday · 24/08/2025 16:47

Haha! I had a guy like that recently, I’d get the good morning messages and then nothing for hours… I found myself feeling “oh wow I’m the first thing he thinks about when he wakes up”. Truth is he was probably bored and having his morning coffee and once he was at work, I was far from his mind. These men can’t keep up the act for long, and some may disagree, but there’s a reason why a lot of these men are single or why they’ve never had a proper relationship by the age of 40. Women don’t hold men to the same standard that men do women. We aren’t looking for a perfectly chisled God (even though that would be nice!) but well kept, good manners, respect and consistency are a good place to start, and so many fall at the first hurdle, the problem is that women like us (or who we were because we were changing 😉) see the best in them and think we can bring the best out of them.

haha, maybe dating women would be easier?! I can’t lie- I’ve considered it!!

I have considered the exact same thing pp & I’m not kidding , dating women that is ..
I’m also in the old brigade & Jesus Christ , I just find it impossible to meet the right guy !
They’re just so different to us women ..
I want genuine , attractive, have their interests & hobbies , not into being in pub every weekend..
Reality is though the attractive aren’t all that genuine ( players ) , & then the one’s I don’t find attractive are genuine 🙈 …
As for the ones in around my age unless divorced or out of a LTR , forget them ! Cause why are they single to begin with , if they’re too good to be true , chances are it’s that exactly. Too good to be True !!!!!

iamnotalemon · 25/08/2025 19:17

Darkrod3 · 25/08/2025 10:48

Well I've probably ruined it now anyway, I keep seeing videos on not accepting breadcrumbs. So I text him calling him out saying " I know everyone's texting styles are different but expect interest; and when I asked you to go to the cinema, you didn't give me a straightforward answer, if you just plan on keeping me around for Friday night sex sessions and lame good morning texts with not much in between I'd rather take myself out of the equation"

he replied saying my text was too much to read but he does like me and likes my company in many ways so doesn't understand where all this has come from and said he's found a movie we can go and watch.

he hasnt replied to my sorry and yes we can still go text. I give up! I think all this relationship advice online is a bit dangerous. Maybe just sit back and giving stuff time naturally is best 🤦‍♀️

Hang on, why did you then send a text apologising? You shouldn’t apologise for your initial text if that’s how you felt.

Missj25 · 25/08/2025 19:29

iamnotalemon · 25/08/2025 19:17

Hang on, why did you then send a text apologising? You shouldn’t apologise for your initial text if that’s how you felt.

Yeah , why apologise OP ??
You were right to message him & be honest , him on the other hand with his “ your text was too much to read “ 🙄..
And then leaves you unopen again !
I also do on line dating , this crap of not responding is bullshit !
I appreciate people can’t message back straight away , so the genuine guys will send a quick message if they’re interested in that person & say
“Hey , look I can’t chat right now , but want to , is it ok if we do later “..
Leaving unopen & not responding for ages & ages is a lack of interest..

Kjpt140v · 25/08/2025 19:31

Darkrod3 · 24/08/2025 14:52

That is true but they all pretty much do and not gonna lie, I love sex. So it's just annoying, I wish we could just love sex together exclusively 😂

Edited

So who is using who?

AlmostAJillSandwich · 25/08/2025 19:31

Ugh, if my relationship ever ends i'm going to spend the rest of my life single i think.

Ladymeade · 25/08/2025 19:57

Lalgarh · 24/08/2025 13:26

(sorry I've only just worked out OLD means Online Dating).

Good luck I guess

I was literally about to google it when I saw your reply! 😊

Darkrod3 · 26/08/2025 00:11

I said sorry just because I felt like I'd taken all my anger and Frustration out on him when it was caused by the straw that broke the camels back by all men recently.

he opened up a lot afterwards saying he does really like me and is looking forward to seeing me tomorrow. He apologised for coming across rude, but said texts come across weird and he'd rather stuff be said in person where you can suss peoples mood. But again little contact after that until tonight where he sent a goodnight text and said looking forward to tomorrow and kisses. I'm not really getting hopes up, what will be will be. Plus I'm kind of on high alert for anymore crao!

I swear you can't make it up. The one I said was autistic popped up tonight after blocking me and gave me loads of shit on instagram for my behaviour and said I'd caused all the problems by removing him off social media. I told him I just got the vibe he didn't like me but just wouldn't say. He then took no accountability for anything bad he'd done, projected it all on to me and said he would' not be responding again. I sent him an apology 2 weeks ago, why has he just messaged tonight? 😂 are most men now this insane? What is actually going on? It's like they can sense when you're moving on but they don't actually want you.

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OnePinkDeer · 26/08/2025 00:15

Why are you trying to change people. It sounds as if you re looking for projects.

With the man who was likely autistic and said he was an introvert. Why did you make it your mission to bring him out of his shell?Rather than just accepting that he doesn't want to be brought out of his shell. Not everybody does. He probably found it overwhelming with what you made him do socially.

It sounds as if you put it out very early and then complain that men only wants sex. look at what you're doing first.

If you want a relationship, that's not all about sex, stop having it.So quickly.

Screamingabdabz · 26/08/2025 00:25

heraldgerald · 24/08/2025 23:55

The best dating advice ive ever been given-

If youre looking for a nice boyfriend be clear to yourself and all you match with that is what you want and tell them that you are not looking for casual sex at all.
Do not sleep with anyone until they have committed to exclusivity.

Block and delete anyone who does not treat you with the utmost respect, goes hot and cold, plays games or makes you feel uncomfortable or negative in any way.
Always treat other people with kindness respect and clarity.
Widen your social circle snd say yes to all social opportunities through friends.

Do this over and over again, possibly for a few years but you will meet someone lovely.

This is so true. But I don’t think op is listening.

She’s still trying to bend herself into a pretzel trying to superimpose each male she meets into relationship material instead of stopping to think about what she actually wants, what is going to work for her long term, and being realistic about male selfishness and male sex drive.

Basically set a standard, and if men don’t immediately meet that standard don’t piss around trying to make it work. Keep throwing them back in until somebody worthy of your attention turns up. This is what women with high self esteem (and eventually happy marriages) do.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 26/08/2025 00:36

Prior to that he was taking about not wanting a full on committed relationship (straight away) as he likes his alone time to do his own thing or visit his family.

You're not listening to people. He doesn't want a relationship, whether that's with you or anyone, I don't know but he's not really interested. Then you ask him on a date.

You are ignoring red flags for some reason like the 40 year old who'd never had a relationship. You're also tolerating really bad behaviour which is affecting your mental health.

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