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UsernameHi · 21/08/2025 22:56

Trigger warning: Mention of self harming.

Apologies I will be writing a lot, so there's quite a bit to go through.

Some back story:

My oldest brother (Kenny) is 8 years older than me and has autism.

My other brother (Fred) is almost 2 years older than me and is very lazy and is the golden child.

My mum expected perfection and would make comments about me, but when I would confront her, she would claim she never said that. She had to be right and wound hound me until I agreed to whatever it was. If I told her anything, she would tell everyone she knew and complete strangers. She wasn't like my friends' mums. She would gossip about anyone she knew and would tell other peoples' secrets, but she hated it if anyone knew anything about her. She would also say how she got along better with men than women, so I think that may also play a part. There's more, but it would take too long to write out and as it is this is going to be a long read.

My dad died when I was 5 years old. They were not together at this time of his death. I have no other family members as her family and my dad's family cut her off.

As I grew up, she would tell me how she didn't want children and that kids ruined her life. She had to quit her job to get married then she had kids. She became Kenny's full time carer.

When me and Fred were younger we were pretty close, but not too long after he started secondary school, we started drifting apart. I was never that close to Kenny.

When I was about 14 years old, I started having problems with my mental health. I was depressed, anxious and quite paranoid. I would cry, get angry (mood swings), cut myself with anything I could get my hands. I would harm my stomach, top of my things and just anywhere I knew people wouldn't see. I would keep to myself and I wouldn't say what was wrong.

I know I didn't handle it well, but at the time I didn't know how to tell people what was wrong. I also knew she would gossip about my problems with others, which I didn't want.

Then one day, I told my teacher (I can't remember what led me to telling him) and from there the truth came out. I saw a therapist and was given medication and had other support. My mum was told and never tried helping me. She kind of just brushed it off. She did say how Fred and Kenny hated me because of how I was acting and wanted nothing to do with me. They would give me the silent treatment even though we lived in the same house. I tried apologizing, but they didn't want to know. In the end I accepted this.

As time went on:
I was still given the silent treatment years later. Fred, Kenny and my mum would talk to each other and act like a family. Fred would make up lies to my mum and say things like I stole X, Y and Z. My mum would believe him. I would claim my innocence and even when they found whatever it was, I never got an apology from her (I wouldn't expect anything from Fred). He would make comments about me as if I wasn't there calling me a "W*e" or a "C**t" and when I would defend myself, my mum would take his side. My mum would try and gossip about Fred (his secrets) to me and when I would say I don't want to get involved, she would get funny with me and wouldn't talk to me until I gossiped with her.

This went on for 4 years. No one from outside of the family was aware of how dysfunctional the family home was. My mum and Fred would talk about me downstairs quite loudly. I don't know if they were aware that I could hear them, but if I left my bedroom to go downstairs and depending on which room they were in they would close the door and if I went into that room, there would be an awkward silence.

Then one day, my mum came to me and said I had to move out as Fred didn't want me there anymore and was threatening to move out unless I did. I didn't make a mess and if I did I cleaned up after myself. I did my own laundry and meals (my mum did everything for Fred and Kenny). I did go out with people, but mostly in the morning and afternoon if I had the day off. I'm not much of a night person except for when I finish my long shift at night.

Keep in mind I was working a part-time job (sometimes there might be some overtime available) and there was no way I could afford my own place. I was giving her money per month and I was only dating my boyfriend David (now husband) for a couple of months at that time, so it felt far too early to even consider moving in with him. I had met his family and we got along. He was living with his family at the time. I didn't tell my mum about him as the relationship was so new and I didn't want her to try to ruin it.

She gave me a week to move out as that was plenty of time to find something according to her.

I was getting worked up and my mental health was struggling as a result. I was literally going to work, looking online for a flat/shared accommodations, I had contacted the council, but that wasn't much help. She would ask me daily about what was going on with my new place and I was honest with her and said that I was struggling to find something. She said I needed to find something as she wasn't changing the deadline. I didn't say anything to David as I was struggling and trying to not have a breakdown.

2 days before the deadline, I had finished a long shift and didn't get back until after 22:00 and came back to most of my things (except for furniture) in black sacks and I couldn't use my key. I called David and cried to him about what was going on and the black sacks. He spoke with his parents and said they were OK with me staying and he picked me up. His family were very lovely and supportive and said I could stay with them. I never spoke with my mum or saw her again.

Me and David eventually got our own place out of the area, got married and had our son 7 months ago. It took a while for me to accept what had happened and come to terms with it and to see how messed up whole family life/situation was.

I had recently bumped into someone my mum knew and she was asking questions about me and my baby and she mentioned how she saw my mum the other day and she didn't mention me being pregnant or having the baby (as far as I know my son is my mum's only grandchild). My mum apparently only said "She's (me) is doing well" and didn't mention the fact that I haven't spoken to her in 8 years at the time. I was honest and told her the full story; the silent treatment, changed locks etc. She was shocked and didn't know how to respond.

I received a message on Facebook from my mum and it was basically a mixture of her asking how I was, to being angry that I told that woman about family problems and wanting to know about my son. I didn't reply, but blocked her. She didn't have social media originally, so I don't know if she made one just to contact me.

I was speaking with a friend (Trisha) about my mum contacting me and she said I shouldn't have blocked her as it was obviously an olive branch and it would be good for my son to have other family members in his life (David has a big family, so I don't think our son is missing out on family). I said to Trisha that I don't care as I tried with them and got nowhere and with what happened with the black sacks and changed locks, I can't pretend that never happened.

It is worth noting that I didn't know Trisha when I was living at home with my family. I met her a few years later, but she is aware of my family situation. She believes people should forgive and move on.

David is on my side and said my mum is probably trying to save face because she doesn't want others to think badly of her and he doesn't want our son near my mum or my brothers.

I just want some outside opinions on it.

OP posts:
Robin67 · 21/08/2025 23:01

Trisha is wrong. Don't expose your child to the crap you had to put up with in childhood. I doubt she has changed

ChappelMoan · 21/08/2025 23:05

Op don't listen to Trisha- she clearly hasn't lived with someone like this and naively believes they are capable of changing or that you want them to. Some people live by the 'but she will always be your mum' thing and it's appaling. Good luck with your new family ❤️

TheTwitcher11 · 21/08/2025 23:06

UsernameHi · 21/08/2025 22:56

Trigger warning: Mention of self harming.

Apologies I will be writing a lot, so there's quite a bit to go through.

Some back story:

My oldest brother (Kenny) is 8 years older than me and has autism.

My other brother (Fred) is almost 2 years older than me and is very lazy and is the golden child.

My mum expected perfection and would make comments about me, but when I would confront her, she would claim she never said that. She had to be right and wound hound me until I agreed to whatever it was. If I told her anything, she would tell everyone she knew and complete strangers. She wasn't like my friends' mums. She would gossip about anyone she knew and would tell other peoples' secrets, but she hated it if anyone knew anything about her. She would also say how she got along better with men than women, so I think that may also play a part. There's more, but it would take too long to write out and as it is this is going to be a long read.

My dad died when I was 5 years old. They were not together at this time of his death. I have no other family members as her family and my dad's family cut her off.

As I grew up, she would tell me how she didn't want children and that kids ruined her life. She had to quit her job to get married then she had kids. She became Kenny's full time carer.

When me and Fred were younger we were pretty close, but not too long after he started secondary school, we started drifting apart. I was never that close to Kenny.

When I was about 14 years old, I started having problems with my mental health. I was depressed, anxious and quite paranoid. I would cry, get angry (mood swings), cut myself with anything I could get my hands. I would harm my stomach, top of my things and just anywhere I knew people wouldn't see. I would keep to myself and I wouldn't say what was wrong.

I know I didn't handle it well, but at the time I didn't know how to tell people what was wrong. I also knew she would gossip about my problems with others, which I didn't want.

Then one day, I told my teacher (I can't remember what led me to telling him) and from there the truth came out. I saw a therapist and was given medication and had other support. My mum was told and never tried helping me. She kind of just brushed it off. She did say how Fred and Kenny hated me because of how I was acting and wanted nothing to do with me. They would give me the silent treatment even though we lived in the same house. I tried apologizing, but they didn't want to know. In the end I accepted this.

As time went on:
I was still given the silent treatment years later. Fred, Kenny and my mum would talk to each other and act like a family. Fred would make up lies to my mum and say things like I stole X, Y and Z. My mum would believe him. I would claim my innocence and even when they found whatever it was, I never got an apology from her (I wouldn't expect anything from Fred). He would make comments about me as if I wasn't there calling me a "W*e" or a "C**t" and when I would defend myself, my mum would take his side. My mum would try and gossip about Fred (his secrets) to me and when I would say I don't want to get involved, she would get funny with me and wouldn't talk to me until I gossiped with her.

This went on for 4 years. No one from outside of the family was aware of how dysfunctional the family home was. My mum and Fred would talk about me downstairs quite loudly. I don't know if they were aware that I could hear them, but if I left my bedroom to go downstairs and depending on which room they were in they would close the door and if I went into that room, there would be an awkward silence.

Then one day, my mum came to me and said I had to move out as Fred didn't want me there anymore and was threatening to move out unless I did. I didn't make a mess and if I did I cleaned up after myself. I did my own laundry and meals (my mum did everything for Fred and Kenny). I did go out with people, but mostly in the morning and afternoon if I had the day off. I'm not much of a night person except for when I finish my long shift at night.

Keep in mind I was working a part-time job (sometimes there might be some overtime available) and there was no way I could afford my own place. I was giving her money per month and I was only dating my boyfriend David (now husband) for a couple of months at that time, so it felt far too early to even consider moving in with him. I had met his family and we got along. He was living with his family at the time. I didn't tell my mum about him as the relationship was so new and I didn't want her to try to ruin it.

She gave me a week to move out as that was plenty of time to find something according to her.

I was getting worked up and my mental health was struggling as a result. I was literally going to work, looking online for a flat/shared accommodations, I had contacted the council, but that wasn't much help. She would ask me daily about what was going on with my new place and I was honest with her and said that I was struggling to find something. She said I needed to find something as she wasn't changing the deadline. I didn't say anything to David as I was struggling and trying to not have a breakdown.

2 days before the deadline, I had finished a long shift and didn't get back until after 22:00 and came back to most of my things (except for furniture) in black sacks and I couldn't use my key. I called David and cried to him about what was going on and the black sacks. He spoke with his parents and said they were OK with me staying and he picked me up. His family were very lovely and supportive and said I could stay with them. I never spoke with my mum or saw her again.

Me and David eventually got our own place out of the area, got married and had our son 7 months ago. It took a while for me to accept what had happened and come to terms with it and to see how messed up whole family life/situation was.

I had recently bumped into someone my mum knew and she was asking questions about me and my baby and she mentioned how she saw my mum the other day and she didn't mention me being pregnant or having the baby (as far as I know my son is my mum's only grandchild). My mum apparently only said "She's (me) is doing well" and didn't mention the fact that I haven't spoken to her in 8 years at the time. I was honest and told her the full story; the silent treatment, changed locks etc. She was shocked and didn't know how to respond.

I received a message on Facebook from my mum and it was basically a mixture of her asking how I was, to being angry that I told that woman about family problems and wanting to know about my son. I didn't reply, but blocked her. She didn't have social media originally, so I don't know if she made one just to contact me.

I was speaking with a friend (Trisha) about my mum contacting me and she said I shouldn't have blocked her as it was obviously an olive branch and it would be good for my son to have other family members in his life (David has a big family, so I don't think our son is missing out on family). I said to Trisha that I don't care as I tried with them and got nowhere and with what happened with the black sacks and changed locks, I can't pretend that never happened.

It is worth noting that I didn't know Trisha when I was living at home with my family. I met her a few years later, but she is aware of my family situation. She believes people should forgive and move on.

David is on my side and said my mum is probably trying to save face because she doesn't want others to think badly of her and he doesn't want our son near my mum or my brothers.

I just want some outside opinions on it.

She doesn’t deserve to have you in her life.

ZippyPeer · 21/08/2025 23:09

Trisha has no idea what she is talking about.

You went no contact with your family for good reasons.

There is nothing to suggest that your family of origin would add anything positive to your child's life. Makes complete sense to stay away from them, if that is what you want to do. The only reason to change your position is if you really want to, and I would recommend getting therapy before actually reaching out.

Flossflower · 21/08/2025 23:11

Your friend is wrong. Most people who grow up in normal families can just not imagine what it is like to grow up in a toxic family. Don’t see your birth family. It would be much better to put all your positive energy into your life without them.

DoubleBoubles · 21/08/2025 23:17

Ignore Trisha, she has no idea! It would ruin you and your child to make contact with your horrible mother. Keep her out of your lives

Mumof2amazingasdkiddos · 21/08/2025 23:30

If your mam is trying to extend an olive branch and make amends then she needs to come out and say that straight, not brush it all under the carpet and pretend all the bad stuff didn't happen. If she does that then it's for you to decide whether she's sincere, whether you accept it and how to move forward or not.
For now I think you've done the right thing, you dont need anyone, blood related or not, in your life or your DC life who brings drama, tension, trouble etc. And you definitely dont need someone in your life who has caused you so much trauma and then pretends it never happened and doesn't even acknowledge it.

rainbowsparkle28 · 21/08/2025 23:53

You have very good and valid reasons for stopping contact and that has not changed. Ignore anyone else saying you should have a relationship just because they are related to you, not when it is harmful to you. Keep breaking the cycle and do not allow your children to be exposed to their behaviour, keep them well clear and protect your and your children’s peace.

HardworkSendHelp · 22/08/2025 00:05

That is shocking story OP. I am sorry you had to go through that. Tell Trisha to mind her own business. Burn the olive branch and stay away from the women who gave birth to you. I can’t call her your mother as she didn’t do much mothering from what you wrote🥲

burblish · 22/08/2025 00:15

Trisha is 100% wrong. She clearly has no clue about toxic families. You have done the right thing in steering clear of your mother and siblings; they don't deserve to have you, David or your son in their lives, and the three of you most certainly don't deserve to have them poison your lives (again, in your case). By keeping your son away from that toxicity, you are already an infinitely better mother than your own was.

3pears · 22/08/2025 00:22

Ignore trisha, she has no idea and needs to keep her opinions to herself.

continue keeping yourself and your son safe from your abusive family. Your mum does not deserve to have any contact whatsoever. She chucked you out and had no idea if you were even ok- that is absolutely appalling. As well as all the other shit she did. She doesn’t deserve to have a relationship with you now. I wouldn’t even reply to a single message, just continue to block

you sound like you’ve done amazingly well to get through that and you have support from your husband and his family too which is great

Vaxtable · 22/08/2025 00:26

Trisha is not a friend. No friend would suggest you expose your child to your family

Dorosomethingbeautiful · 22/08/2025 00:42

Stay away from your mum and brothers OP. You don’t need people like that in your life

thepariscrimefiles · 22/08/2025 03:42

Your mum's a fucking monster and you need to make sure she has no contact with you or your child.

You need to tell Trish not to mention her again. I can't believe that she thinks you should let your family see your baby after you told her what they did to you. If she carries on saying that you should forgive and move on, you may need to end the friendship. How anyone could listen to what your mum and brothers did to you and think that bygones should be bygones is baffling.

Luckily, your DH sounds really supportive and understanding.

HelenaWaiting · 22/08/2025 03:57

"Hi Trisha. I've thought about what you said and decided that you should mind your own business."

That should do it.

Francestein · 22/08/2025 04:14

Your mum is abusive and being a relative doesn’t make forgiveness compulsory.

Reallynotsure25 · 22/08/2025 04:56

Trisha is asking you to put yourself back in to a toxic situation. That’s what it boils down to. Do not make contact. Continue to block your mum to protect yourself and your son. She hasn’t changed, as someone else mentioned she is only trying to save face and hasn’t acknowledged the damage she did.

Linenpickle · 22/08/2025 05:05

Ignore Trisha. Your mum was awful and clearly still is. Ignore your mum too.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 22/08/2025 05:17

David sounds lovely. Trisha doesn’t know what she is talking about. I’m proud you told the truth to the woman. Your ‘mother’ is only reaching out to save face otherwise she would have searched for herself.

flirtygirl · 22/08/2025 05:19

Trisha is either not much of a friend or very very stupid.

No one should be encouraging you to forgive, forget, make amends and throw yourself and your child back into hell.

You know deep down what's best and staying away is best. Stick to your instincts/guns, especially now you also have a child to protect.

You are worth more than so- called family ties and so is your son.

Every time you get swayed by irrelevant unknowing opinions, think back to the day that your key didn't work and the black bags sat waiting for you or the myriad of other truly terrible things that your family have done.

Cookingupmyfirstbornson · 22/08/2025 05:30

An interesting question for you think about op...do you think she'd be so interested if you had a daughter?

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 22/08/2025 05:34

Trisha is well meaning but is clueless about abuse. Lucky her.

TeaCupTornado · 22/08/2025 05:47

I think you did the right thing blocking your mum when she's reached out.

I'm sorry about your upbringing.

I had a very difficult upbringing too and also experienced clothes being left in sacks in our tenament street at age 18!
I wasn't with my husband then so spent some time in homeless units, this was also just before food banks became a thing too so I had very little to eat at the time.

I did reconnect with parents when pregnant in my mid-twenties but the craziness was quick to come begin again.

Unfortunately my husband's family isn't great either so we are no contact with both our families.

It is hard but the choice is for it to be hard and protect ourselves and children OR for it to be hard and put ourselves and children at risk of toxic behaviour. We chose to be on our own. It's not easy and it's painful in varying ways, but it's the least painful option.

People who've not experienced toxic OR abusive family have no idea and I too have had comments such as life's too short to fall out with family... I think lifes too short to spend time with toxic people who treat you like shit.

It sounds good that your husbands family is supportive. I hope that continues for you all.

I'd phase out this friend of yours to be honest.

Wishing you all the best x

EasternSkies · 22/08/2025 05:47

It isn’t an olive branch. Olive branches don’t involve being angry that you told the woman the true facts.

I am so sorry you went through such abuse and cruelty from your Mum.

Don’t go back there. Keep your Mum blocked, eyes forward.

GAJLY · 22/08/2025 05:55

Your mum is embarrassed and Trisha is nobody to you. Ignore them all and block. You have blossomed these 8 years without her. She will make your life worse not better.