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Friend thinks I should have my family in my son's life

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UsernameHi · 21/08/2025 22:56

Trigger warning: Mention of self harming.

Apologies I will be writing a lot, so there's quite a bit to go through.

Some back story:

My oldest brother (Kenny) is 8 years older than me and has autism.

My other brother (Fred) is almost 2 years older than me and is very lazy and is the golden child.

My mum expected perfection and would make comments about me, but when I would confront her, she would claim she never said that. She had to be right and wound hound me until I agreed to whatever it was. If I told her anything, she would tell everyone she knew and complete strangers. She wasn't like my friends' mums. She would gossip about anyone she knew and would tell other peoples' secrets, but she hated it if anyone knew anything about her. She would also say how she got along better with men than women, so I think that may also play a part. There's more, but it would take too long to write out and as it is this is going to be a long read.

My dad died when I was 5 years old. They were not together at this time of his death. I have no other family members as her family and my dad's family cut her off.

As I grew up, she would tell me how she didn't want children and that kids ruined her life. She had to quit her job to get married then she had kids. She became Kenny's full time carer.

When me and Fred were younger we were pretty close, but not too long after he started secondary school, we started drifting apart. I was never that close to Kenny.

When I was about 14 years old, I started having problems with my mental health. I was depressed, anxious and quite paranoid. I would cry, get angry (mood swings), cut myself with anything I could get my hands. I would harm my stomach, top of my things and just anywhere I knew people wouldn't see. I would keep to myself and I wouldn't say what was wrong.

I know I didn't handle it well, but at the time I didn't know how to tell people what was wrong. I also knew she would gossip about my problems with others, which I didn't want.

Then one day, I told my teacher (I can't remember what led me to telling him) and from there the truth came out. I saw a therapist and was given medication and had other support. My mum was told and never tried helping me. She kind of just brushed it off. She did say how Fred and Kenny hated me because of how I was acting and wanted nothing to do with me. They would give me the silent treatment even though we lived in the same house. I tried apologizing, but they didn't want to know. In the end I accepted this.

As time went on:
I was still given the silent treatment years later. Fred, Kenny and my mum would talk to each other and act like a family. Fred would make up lies to my mum and say things like I stole X, Y and Z. My mum would believe him. I would claim my innocence and even when they found whatever it was, I never got an apology from her (I wouldn't expect anything from Fred). He would make comments about me as if I wasn't there calling me a "W*e" or a "C**t" and when I would defend myself, my mum would take his side. My mum would try and gossip about Fred (his secrets) to me and when I would say I don't want to get involved, she would get funny with me and wouldn't talk to me until I gossiped with her.

This went on for 4 years. No one from outside of the family was aware of how dysfunctional the family home was. My mum and Fred would talk about me downstairs quite loudly. I don't know if they were aware that I could hear them, but if I left my bedroom to go downstairs and depending on which room they were in they would close the door and if I went into that room, there would be an awkward silence.

Then one day, my mum came to me and said I had to move out as Fred didn't want me there anymore and was threatening to move out unless I did. I didn't make a mess and if I did I cleaned up after myself. I did my own laundry and meals (my mum did everything for Fred and Kenny). I did go out with people, but mostly in the morning and afternoon if I had the day off. I'm not much of a night person except for when I finish my long shift at night.

Keep in mind I was working a part-time job (sometimes there might be some overtime available) and there was no way I could afford my own place. I was giving her money per month and I was only dating my boyfriend David (now husband) for a couple of months at that time, so it felt far too early to even consider moving in with him. I had met his family and we got along. He was living with his family at the time. I didn't tell my mum about him as the relationship was so new and I didn't want her to try to ruin it.

She gave me a week to move out as that was plenty of time to find something according to her.

I was getting worked up and my mental health was struggling as a result. I was literally going to work, looking online for a flat/shared accommodations, I had contacted the council, but that wasn't much help. She would ask me daily about what was going on with my new place and I was honest with her and said that I was struggling to find something. She said I needed to find something as she wasn't changing the deadline. I didn't say anything to David as I was struggling and trying to not have a breakdown.

2 days before the deadline, I had finished a long shift and didn't get back until after 22:00 and came back to most of my things (except for furniture) in black sacks and I couldn't use my key. I called David and cried to him about what was going on and the black sacks. He spoke with his parents and said they were OK with me staying and he picked me up. His family were very lovely and supportive and said I could stay with them. I never spoke with my mum or saw her again.

Me and David eventually got our own place out of the area, got married and had our son 7 months ago. It took a while for me to accept what had happened and come to terms with it and to see how messed up whole family life/situation was.

I had recently bumped into someone my mum knew and she was asking questions about me and my baby and she mentioned how she saw my mum the other day and she didn't mention me being pregnant or having the baby (as far as I know my son is my mum's only grandchild). My mum apparently only said "She's (me) is doing well" and didn't mention the fact that I haven't spoken to her in 8 years at the time. I was honest and told her the full story; the silent treatment, changed locks etc. She was shocked and didn't know how to respond.

I received a message on Facebook from my mum and it was basically a mixture of her asking how I was, to being angry that I told that woman about family problems and wanting to know about my son. I didn't reply, but blocked her. She didn't have social media originally, so I don't know if she made one just to contact me.

I was speaking with a friend (Trisha) about my mum contacting me and she said I shouldn't have blocked her as it was obviously an olive branch and it would be good for my son to have other family members in his life (David has a big family, so I don't think our son is missing out on family). I said to Trisha that I don't care as I tried with them and got nowhere and with what happened with the black sacks and changed locks, I can't pretend that never happened.

It is worth noting that I didn't know Trisha when I was living at home with my family. I met her a few years later, but she is aware of my family situation. She believes people should forgive and move on.

David is on my side and said my mum is probably trying to save face because she doesn't want others to think badly of her and he doesn't want our son near my mum or my brothers.

I just want some outside opinions on it.

OP posts:
EasternSkies · 22/08/2025 06:09

Your husband has your back.

And he is right about your Mum’s motives and about wanting to protect your baby from your Mum.

I hope you didn’t give the woman any clues about how your Mum could track you down.

Make sure your social media is tightly locked down.

Trisha is probably well meaning but she doesn’t have a clue.

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 22/08/2025 06:09

I’m sorry you felt so unsafe in your own home. If you’re settled now then keep the calm in your life & protect your son from her.

That “olive branch” sounds more like the familiar whip if she was angry in the message. Protect your peace my love and be the parent to your children you wished you had been given. X

Ooodelally · 22/08/2025 06:10

Trisha is a twat.

Please do not expose yourself or your child to your mum who sounds absolutely evil. If Trisha ever brings this up again I think you should block her too - she is no true friend to hear this story and suggest you put yourself back in the firing line for abuse.

alexisccd · 22/08/2025 06:11

Do not listen to Trisha! She clearly has no idea of the adverse impacts your mother and brothers could have on you and your family’s (DH and baby’s) life and wellbeing. Your instinct to remain no contact with her is the right one.

I’m so sorry for all that you have been through OP. You have absolutely every right to talk to who you want about what happened, your mother can’t silence you .

orbital12 · 22/08/2025 06:22

Obviously it's up to you but I would consider ending the friendship with Trisha as well. She's implicitly siding with your abuser and saying it's ok for you to be mistreated. I don't think she would want to endure the treatment you've had from your mother for one day, never mind a lifetime, but has decided it's not a big enough deal for you decide to protect yourself and your child from further abuse.

Tablesandchairs23 · 22/08/2025 06:24

Don't let that toxic lot near your child or yourself. You've done so well to build yourself a good life. You've got a supportive family from your husband.

autienotnaughty · 22/08/2025 06:38

No don’t bring them back into your life. They were awful and don’t deserve another chance. You risk bringing their nastiness to your son and him experiencing what you did . Keep her blocked.
You friend doesn’t understand presumably because she didn’t grow up in an abusive home and can’t comprehend family members treating each other so poorly.
You were lucky your boyfriends Family were kind enough to help you and that your relationship has lasted.that is no thanks to your family. .
Enjoy the life you have created in spite of them.

catsareace · 22/08/2025 06:39

I am so sorry that you had to endure such an awful, toxic childhood OP. It sounds like you are doing well now please don't bring your 'Mother' into your or your childs life. She won't have changed and frankly does not deserve any part in your life. I wish you well x

Velvian · 22/08/2025 06:47

I think you are doing the right thing @UsernameHi . Putting it in the kidest way possible, Trisha sounds very naive.

99bottlesofkombucha · 22/08/2025 06:53

Tell Trisha that it wasn’t an olive branch, she doesn’t know what she’s talking about, and if she finds someone abusive and lives with them for years while vulnerable then she can offer her opinion after that, and that you personally think as a good mother you will forever protect your child from abusive people, you’re sorry she feels differently.

Beammeupscotty2025 · 22/08/2025 07:03

You owe her nothing. Your DM is furious you have succeeded. Keep your DS far away.

So happy you got away from your awful family.

Booboobagins · 22/08/2025 07:16

YANBU @UsernameHi

Firstly, well done for dealing with your family so well. So glad it worked out for you and Dave. His family are amazing btw.

Secondly, well done for blocking her.

Lastly, pls keep your resolve. Trisha is wrong. Stay away. Noone needs toxic people in their lives. X

CatMummyOf3 · 22/08/2025 07:18

I have no other family members as her family and my dad's family cut her off.

She was toxic when you were a young child, to the point her own family cut her out of their lives. She was toxic throughout your life until she kicked you out. She will not have changed now.

Your 'friend' is wrong. Keep yourself and your son far away from the woman who gave birth to you, she doesn't deserve you.

Vogt · 22/08/2025 07:25

thepariscrimefiles · 22/08/2025 03:42

Your mum's a fucking monster and you need to make sure she has no contact with you or your child.

You need to tell Trish not to mention her again. I can't believe that she thinks you should let your family see your baby after you told her what they did to you. If she carries on saying that you should forgive and move on, you may need to end the friendship. How anyone could listen to what your mum and brothers did to you and think that bygones should be bygones is baffling.

Luckily, your DH sounds really supportive and understanding.

⬆️ this.

You poor love - you sound like a lovely person. I come from a toxic family and really there is no choice but to stay away. They don't act like normal people so you can't resolve issues with them.

Congratulations on your lovely new baby. You'll be a terrific Mum, don't doubt that at all. And you are not wrong staying away from, frankly, appalling behaviour from your Mum and brother. Stay strong.

Ohmygodthepain · 22/08/2025 07:38

I received a message on Facebook from my mum and it was basically a mixture of her asking how I was, to being angry that I told that woman about family problems and wanting to know about my son.

That's no olive branch op. Not at all.

Tricia is wrong. You went NC after years of emotional abuse. Your mum doesn't need to be a part of your life, and your dc doesn't need such a toxic family dynamic - no matter what well-meaning folk think.

Take care of your own little family unit and protect it from your mum and brothers.

HomeTheatreSystem · 22/08/2025 07:39

I honestly cannot see someone who has behaved the way your mother has in the past, turning over a completely new leaf, apologising for their past actions and treating you with love and respect going forwards. It's not going to happen. She has shown you repeatedly who and what she is over many years and you need to believe her, for the sake of your peace of mind and family. Your friend is doubtless well-meaning, but frankly she hasn't a clue. Your mother's recent message to you tells you she's not changed one iota. It's not an olive branch but probing for an opening to get up to her old tricks again.

walkingismedicine · 22/08/2025 07:40

Keep your baby away from her!! Stay strong 💪

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 22/08/2025 07:44

Trisha is wrong and probably has a lovely functional family where this sort of thing would never even cross her mind.

You're doing the right thing. You're protecting your peace and more importantly, you're breaking any kind of cycle for your child.

I didn't do that until it had already affected my daughter; I naively believed it would all be ok because grandkids were different to kids. Then DD asked me why her grandmother loved golden child's DD more than her, and that was my catalyst for going NC. You are doing the right thing.

UsernameHi · 22/08/2025 20:20

Hi 👋

Thank you for the nice messages.

@Cookingupmyfirstbornson I did think the same thing and wondered if she would have bothered if I had a daughter instead of my son.

@EasternSkies My social media still has my old maiden name and old information about me; where I live, where I went to school and that. I never updated it as I only use it to message people. The only things I post are memes 😅 so nothing exciting. The woman who my mum knows only knows my son's first name, which isn't anything unusual and wasn't told anything else (where we're living, surnames etc).

Trisha brought it up again today and asked if I would reconsider and try to build a relationship with them again and I told her that I don't want to bring them into our (me, David, our son and in-laws) lives and to drop it otherwise I will stop talking to her as I don't want to relive that crap again and she needs to accept and respect my decision. I don't think she expected that response. In Trisha's family if you had an argument and a falling out you work through it and make up again. The idea of you going no contact with family is a sad and upsetting thought for her. I explained to her that it's great that HER family can make up like that and work through things like a proper family, but mine wasn't like that. She did apologize and said she don't mean to cause offense and said she won't bring it up again.

I will give her a chance to see if she will accept my decision on this and if she doesn't then I will cut her off as I'm not changing my mind.

OP posts:
Merryoldgoat · 22/08/2025 20:28

I’m so sorry you had such a shit family.

Tell Trisha that its none of her business and and olive branch (not that that’s what it was) doesn’t have to be accepted. She abused you and doesn’t get to be in your life.

Your mother is a cunt.

Merryoldgoat · 22/08/2025 20:30

She believes people should forgive and move on.

Fuck that. This is the mantra of the doormat.

FeistyFrankie · 22/08/2025 21:58

Nope nope nope. Do not listen to your friend Trisha. She probably means well, but people who never experienced abuse or dysfunction growing up simply do no get it. They just dont understand how damaging and traumatising it all is.

OP - I think your mother reached out because her friend obviously said something, and she didnt like how you "tarnished" her image. The timing is just too sus for anything else.

Keep your distance from them and focus on the lovely family you have created. You're not doing anything wrong, at all. Don't let other people's "advice" make you doubt yourself.

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