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Thread 16: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 19/08/2025 21:07

The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The 14 Observer items currently available on their online 'The real Salt Path' page: The real Salt Path | The Observer

More from The Observer:
‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...
The real Salt Path | The Observer (The Slow Newscast)
I will link to two more Observer videos in the first post of this thread.

The Observer YouTube Channel: The Observer UK - YouTube

Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement: Raynor Winn

Thread One ^www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5368194-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?^

Threads 2-11: Links all in the OP of Thread 12

Thread 12: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5384574-thread-12-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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Thread 14: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5388981-thread-14-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer items above before posting. There are currently a number of interesting items on The Observer website and linked to above.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for fifteen very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

Yes, it really is Thread 16.

Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge be with you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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DisappointedReader · 19/08/2025 21:14

Shock and anger: the real people in 'The Salt Path':

Uncovering The Salt Path live event:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lbqEmDPV9M&t=1s

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DisappointedReader · 19/08/2025 21:23

TIMELINE PART ONE – 1960 to July 2013
With thanks to FurryHappyKittens

Please do not quote this post!!!

1960
Timothy Ronald Walker born in Burton-upon-Trent Registration District (FreeBMD)
1962
Sally Ann Winn born in Melton Mowbray Registration District (FreeBMD)
Early 1980s
Tim Walker and Sally Winn meet at college (The Salt Path, 2018)
1986
Timothy Ronald Walker, a plasterer from Burton-upon-Trent, and Sally Ann Winn, a clerical officer from Dunstall, marry on Skye. Timothy’s father was a Master Plasterer, and Sally’s a Farm Stockman (Scotland’s People)
c. 1988 – c. 1991
Sally Walker states she worked at the local court in the fines department, worked her way up, then was offered the opportunity to study; she completed two years of a law degree, whilst working full time and having two children, as well as renovating their house, and growing vegetables (Career Interrupted podcast, No money No home No plan…, 19 June 2025)
1980s/90s
Tim Walker an eco-activist according to Sally Walker (Independent, The Salt Path One woman’s journey…, 23 August 2018)
Early 1990s
Sally Walker says Tim invested in a friend’s property portfolio (Raynor Winn website, Sally Walker’s statement, July 2025)
? – 1994
Tim Walker states he was working as Master Plasterer for family business in Staffordshire; wife Sally Walker was a Law Clerk from Gwynedd (BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, captured 7 September 2004)
1994
Tim Walker says he and Sally left their jobs, sold their house in Staffordshire due to young son wandering into road where they live, and moved to rented house in Criccieth (BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, captured 7 September 2004)
1994
Walkers bought ‘dilapidated’ Pen y Maes, and Tim, mentioning a botany degree, began volunteering at the National Trust’s Plas yn Rhiw garden (BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, captured 7 September 2004)
1995
Tim Walker employed as gardener at Plas yn Rhiw (BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, captured 7 September 2004)
Late 1990s
Ros Hemmings states she met Tim Walker when he was the gardener at Plas yn Rhiw, and she worked in the house there (Observer, The Slow Newscast, The real Salt Path, 29 July 2025)
Early 2000s
Tim Walker was head gardener at Plas yn Rhiw (The Daily Mail, Couple whose memoir inspired hit film, btl comment by Pwhlleli local, 6 July 2025)
c. 2000/02 (date not confirmed as Ros Hemmings unsure of exact date)
Ros Hemmings states Sally Walker told her she had been made redundant from a hotel in Abersoch (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025)
c. 2000/02 (date not confirmed as per above)
Ros Hemmings says Sally Walker began working part time for her husband Martin Hemmings in Pwllheli (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025)
2004
Tim Walker worked at Plas yn Rhiw (BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, captured 7 September 2004)
2004
Tim Walker, his brother, and their families, photographed by local resident at Village du Dropt property (The Daily Mail, The Salt Path secret, 15 July 2025)
c. 2004
Ros Hemmings states that Tim Walker left his job at Plas yn Rhiw in ‘I think, 2004’ (Observer ‘The Slow Newscast’ podcast, 29 July 2025)
2007
Tim Walker bought the house at Village du Dropt, with a little land. The property was run down but habitable at this time according to a local resident (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025) Pigeonnier owned by his brother (The Daily Mail, The Salt Path secret, 15 July 2025)
c. Easter 2008
Martin and Ros Hemmings discovered potential embezzlement of £9000 (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025)
2008
Sally Walker repayed ‘several thousands’ to the Hemmings (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025) She said Martin Hemmings had lent her the money (Observer ‘The Slow Newscast’ podcast, 29 July 2025)
2008
The Hemmings discovered more serious potential embezzlement of over £60,000, and went to the police (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025); the amount was between £60,000 and £70,000 (Observer ‘The Slow Newscast’ podcast, 29 July 2025)
2008
Sally Walker arrested and bailed, with instructions to return to the police station the following day. She disappeared. (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025) According to a source, her car was apparently found abandoned in Llandudno (The Times, The Salt Path scandal: what Raynor Winn’s former neighbours think, 11 July 2025)
2008
Sally Walker loaned £100,000 at 18% pa by Tim’s relative “James” with house as collateral (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025); Sally Walker says she was loaned £100,000 by “Cooper”, an old friend, at 18% pa with house as collateral (Raynor Winn website, Sally Walker’s statement, July 2025)
2008
Stolen money returned to Martin Hemmings, who dropped the case (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025); Hemmings agreed to an NDA (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
2008/09
“James”’ business went bust (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
c. 2009/2010
Loan transferred to two creditors of “James” (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
January 2010
Pen y Maes listed for sale for £395,000 (Zoopla)
March 2011
Pen y Maes on the market for £435,000 (Escape to the Country TV show)
2011-14
At least five county court judgements against the Walkers (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
March 2012
Gangani Publishing Ltd was set up with Tim Walker as Director and Tim Walker and Sally Walker as joint shareholders (Companies House)
2012
Gangani published How Not to Dal dy Dir by Izzy Wyn-Thomas (Sally Walker). Those who bought the book told they were entered into a prize draw to win a house in Wales‘free from mortgage or any other legal…charge’ (Observer ‘The Slow Newscast’ podcast, 29 July 2025; Gangani Publishing, 2012)
February 2012
Creditors called in the loan, then exceeding £150,000. Judge ordered payment within 12 months or house would be repossessed (Observer, The Salt Path what’s in the book and what The Observer has found, 6 July 2025)
2012
Martin Hemmings died (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
2013
Sally Walker says they were told by clinicians that Tim ‘probably wouldn’t last two years’ (Independent, The Salt Path One woman’s journey…, 23 August 2018)
2013
Sally Walker says she refunded those who had entered the prize draw (Raynor Winn website, Sally Walker’s statement, July 2025)
June 2013
Pen y Maes repossessed (The Salt Path, 2018); The Walkers left under cover of darkness according to a local farmer (The Times, The Salt Path scandal: what Raynor Winn’s former neighbours think, 11 July 2025); The Walkers hid under the stairs as the bailiffs arrived (The Salt Path, 2018)
July 2013
Gangani Publishing Ltd dissolved (Companies House)

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EdinburghMayhem · 19/08/2025 21:24

Cards on the table - I haven't read this book, but I am a writer and creative license is always in play. Things are rolled together for interest - quotes, occasions, people. If you kept strictly to 100% the daily truth, no one would read your story, because life isn't interesting every day. Yes, writers exaggerated. Boks are entertainment. Anyone who genuinely thinks they're reading the absolute truth is kidding themselves.

DisappointedReader · 19/08/2025 21:26

TIMELINE PART TWO – August 2013 to present
With thanks to FurryHappyKittens et al

Please do not quote this post!!!

Early August 2013
Sally Walker states her and Tim began a walk along the SWCP one Thursday (The Salt Path, 2018)
29 August – 17 September 2013
Simon Armitage walked from Minehead to Land’s End (Guardian, Simon Armitage to walk south-west coast path, 19 February 2013)
17 September 2013
Sally and Tim Walker’s son drove them from Cornwall to Bristol (Observer, Shock and anger: the real people in The Salt Path, 13 August 2025)
October 2013
According to Sally Walker first part of walk ended at Polruan (The Salt Path, 2018)
Mid July – early September 2014
Walk recommenced at Poole, and concluded at Polruan, according to Sally Walker (The Salt Path, 2018)
September 2014 – 2018
According to Sally Walker, she and Tim lived in a flat in Polruan (The Wild Silence)
22 January 2015
Sally Walker’s mother dies in Staffordshire (FindMyPast)
6 February 2015
Sally and Tim Walker’s son helps them move (Observer, Shock and anger: the real people in The Salt Path, 13 August 2025)
25 June 2015
Tim Walker diagnosed with possible corticobasal syndrome symptoms (CBS), although these symptoms are ‘indolent’ and ‘mild’ (Raynor Winn website, medical letters, released July 2025)
8 August 2015
Joanne and David Parson meet the Walkers at the Fat Apples Café, near Porthallow, an event that, according to Sally Walker in The Salt Path, took place in summer 2013 (Observer, We thought: it can’t be the Salt Path couple…, 9 August 2025)
Autumn 2015
Tim Walker began either a horticulture HND or degree, with full student loan funding for a first undergraduate qualification (Falmouth Packet, Eden students take award winning garden to Hampton Court Flower Show, 8 July 2016; The Salt Path, 2018)
2016
“James” died (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
25 July 2016
Pen y Maes sold for £280,000 to Maxine Farrimond (Land Registry; Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
July 2016
Farrimond started receiving letters: debt collection agencies, speeding fines, credit card bills and other unpaid bills addressed to the Walkers (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
February 2017
Walkers travelled to Iceland for walking holiday (Raynor Winn Instagram)
6 May 2017
Sally Walker as Raynor Winn emails the Big Issue regarding a potential article (Big Issue, Gillian Anderson, Jason Isaacs, and The Salt Path author Raynor Winn on homelessness and the human spirit, 30 May 2025)
10 July 2017
Sally Walker’s article published in the Big Issue; at that time she stated she hadn’t yet found a publisher (Big Issue, Gillian Anderson, Jason Isaacs, and The Salt Path author Raynor Winn on homelessness and the human spirit, 30 May 2025)
‘a few weeks’ after 10 July 2017
Sally Walker states she had approached an agent who had responded within a day, and they were currently arranging to contact potential publishers (Big Issue, Gillian Anderson, Jason Isaacs, and The Salt Path author Raynor Winn on homelessness and the human spirit, 30 May 2025)
January 2019
The Walkers move to Bill Cole’s cider farm (The Wild Silence, 2020)
22 March 2018
Hardback publication of The Salt Path
2018
“Moth”’s real name was Ray (Independent, The Salt Path One woman’s journey…, 23 August 2018)
September 2019
Walkers walked in Iceland (The Wild Silence, 2020)
17 October 2019
Consultant suggested Tim Walker’s illness may have been something else, a ‘more unusual disorder’ (Raynor Winn website, medical letters, released July 2025)
3 September 2020
Hardback publication of The Wild Silence
21 May 2021 – 15 September 2021
Sally Walker states her and Tim walked the length of Britain on various long distance footpaths (Raynor Winn Instagram; Landlines, 2022)
October 2021
Tim Walker told Bill Cole that consultant advised not to plan past Christmas (Observer, ‘I felt I was being gaslit’, July 2025)
Winter 2021
Sally Walker states that two scans taken before and after their walk of various UK long distance paths showed that pre-walk recorded damage to Tim’s brain had disappeared by the post-walk second scan, which had ‘a normal reading’ (Landlines, 2022)
15 September 2022
Hardback publication of Landlines
Late September 2022
Bill Cole read in Landlines about Tim Walker’s normal brain scan results in late 2021 (Observer, ‘I felt I was being gaslit’, July 2025)
October 2022
A few weeks after Bill Cole read the book, Rick Stein filmed at Haye Farm (Observer, ‘I felt I was being gaslit’, July 2025)
November/December 2022
Shortly after filming, the Walkers left Bill Cole’s farm for pastures new (Observer, ‘I felt I was being gaslit’, July 2025)
14 February 2023
Series 3, Episode 2 of Rick Stein’s Cornwall aired, featuring the Walkers as cider farm entrepreneurs (BBC 2, Rick Stein’s Cornwall)
24 April 2023
Sally & Tim Walker walked the London Marathon (Raynor Winn’s Instagram)
7 April 2024 – 18 April 2024
Sally & Tim Walker walked The Thames Path (Raynor Winn’s Instagram)
5 July 2025
Observer began publishing articles by investigative journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou (Observer, The real Salt Path collection, July 2025)

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DisappointedReader · 19/08/2025 21:30

TIMELINE PART THREE – Links to references
With thanks to FurryHappyKittens et al

Please do not quote this post!!!

BBC 2, Rick Stein’s Cornwall, 14 February 2023: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001j82s
BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, 7 September 2004: https://archive.ph/6KXzq
Big Issue, Gillian Anderson, Jason Isaacs, and The
Salt Path author Raynor Winn on homelessness and the human spirit, 30 May 2025:
https://www.bigissue.com/culture/film/the-salt-path-raynor-winn-gillian-anderson-jason-isaacs-interview/
Falmouth Packet, Eden students take award winning garden to Hampton Court Flower Show, 8 July 2016: https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/14607378.eden-students-take-award-winning-garden-to-hampton-court-flower-show/
FindMyPast: https://www.findmypast.co.uk
FreeBMD: https://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Career Interrupted podcast, No money No home No plan…, 19 June 2025: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/career-interrupted/e283no-home-no-money-no-plan-URg9c06YKIW/?t=58
Land Registry, LL53 6YA: https://landregistry.data.gov.uk/data/ppi/transaction/3B7E0B90-8B85-EA99-E050-A8C062057E77/current
Scotland’s People: https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
The Daily Mail, Couple whose memoir inspired hit film, 6 July 2025: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14880299/couple-memoir-Salt-Path-film-Gillian-Anderson-Jason-Isaacs.html
The Daily Mail, The Salt Path secret, 15 July 2025: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14904933/French-property-Salt-Path.html
The Guardian, Simon Armitage to walk south-west coast path, 19 February 2013: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/feb/19/simon-armitage-south-west-coast-poetry
The Independent, The Salt Path one woman’s journey…, 23 August 2018: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/the-salt-path-book-journey-walking-coast-path-cornwall-devon-homelessness-a8502256.html#comments-area
The Times, The Salt Path scandal: what Raynor Winn’s former neighbours think, 11 July 2025
https://archive.ph/g3sOO
Zoopla, Pen y Maes, Y Ffor, Pwllheli, Gwynedd, LL53 6YA: https://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/uprn/10070273056/

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DisappointedReader · 19/08/2025 21:33

NO POSTS PLEASE EXCEPT FOR THE TIMELINE AND REFERENCES UNTIL THREAD 15 IS COMPLETELY FULL

NO QUOTING THE TIMELINES AND REFERENCES POSTS

THANK YOU

Thread 15: Thread 15: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film? | Mumsnet

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SilverHawk · 19/08/2025 22:22

I've been mulling over their book discussions. They enjoy reading and disect the book?
Have a look at this 'The seven basic plots' by Christopher Booker 2004. It's on my bookshelf as an unused present! (What were they thinking?)

Poltroon · 20/08/2025 08:54

To go back to the Parsons’ blog — absolutely we have ample evidence, photographic and other, that they walked exactly what they claim to have walked, but no one other than their family and friends would read that blog. Whereas, truthful or not, SW put together something people did read and enjoy in large numbers.

DisappointedReader · 20/08/2025 09:43

Our discussion will be continuing on this thread shortly as I explain in my pp.

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WhoDaresWinns · 20/08/2025 11:06

EdinburghMayhem · 19/08/2025 21:24

Cards on the table - I haven't read this book, but I am a writer and creative license is always in play. Things are rolled together for interest - quotes, occasions, people. If you kept strictly to 100% the daily truth, no one would read your story, because life isn't interesting every day. Yes, writers exaggerated. Boks are entertainment. Anyone who genuinely thinks they're reading the absolute truth is kidding themselves.

The False Path: Thoughts on recent controversies surrounding The Salt Path – T.S. Dymond

The False Path: Thoughts on recent controversies surrounding The Salt Path – T.S. Dymond

https://tsdymond.com/the-false-path-thoughts-on-recent-controversies-surrounding-the-salt-path/

MargaretThursday · 20/08/2025 11:19

Thank you!

WhispersInTheFlowers · 20/08/2025 11:28

As a reader I expected and deserved the basic premise of the book to be true. Otherwise what is the purpose of a non-fiction classification?

Fandango52 · 20/08/2025 11:31

Thanks for the new thread, @DisappointedReader - and also for doing a fabulous job deputising for our esteemed Timeline Correspondent!

Fandango52 · 20/08/2025 11:33

WhispersInTheFlowers · 20/08/2025 11:28

As a reader I expected and deserved the basic premise of the book to be true. Otherwise what is the purpose of a non-fiction classification?

Me too. As FreshSocks mentioned on Thread 14, there is the option of reporting the book to Trading Standards for false advertising claims - which both FS and I have done.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 20/08/2025 11:33

WhispersInTheFlowers · 20/08/2025 11:28

As a reader I expected and deserved the basic premise of the book to be true. Otherwise what is the purpose of a non-fiction classification?

I think if PRH reclassified TSP (blimey, all these acronyms and abbreviations and everything...) as a fictionalised account INSPIRED BY real events, they might get away with it.

Oh, and I am not a waistcoat. I do know Vroomfondle though.

BaskervilleOldFace · 20/08/2025 11:39

Just read the blog post by TS Dymond (linked above). I thought it was excellent, summarising all aspects of the Salt Path controversy and also the wider moral implications for publishing and writing in today's "epistemological wasteland".

What depresses me is the number of comments I see all over the place saying things like 'what does it matter, everyone knows about artistic licence' or, worst of all, 'it's just a book'.
The truth does matter, and books matter.

Fandango52 · 20/08/2025 11:45

Fandango52 · 20/08/2025 11:33

Me too. As FreshSocks mentioned on Thread 14, there is the option of reporting the book to Trading Standards for false advertising claims - which both FS and I have done.

Sorry - FreshSocks mentioned this in Thread 15 (the previous thread).

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 20/08/2025 11:50

BaskervilleOldFace · 20/08/2025 11:39

Just read the blog post by TS Dymond (linked above). I thought it was excellent, summarising all aspects of the Salt Path controversy and also the wider moral implications for publishing and writing in today's "epistemological wasteland".

What depresses me is the number of comments I see all over the place saying things like 'what does it matter, everyone knows about artistic licence' or, worst of all, 'it's just a book'.
The truth does matter, and books matter.

I am likewise depressed by the number of people who have read the book but know nothing about the Observer's investigations, or who know and just say that they don't care. It unfortunately seems to say a lot about the reading public. I suppose we have to be grateful that anyone is reading anything at all, but the level of deliberate blindness to the issues that this raises is demoralising for all those who aim to be truthful in their writing.

DisappointedReader · 20/08/2025 11:57

Hopefully more Pigpen than Raymoth:

As we all begin to disembark from the charabanc I want to begin not with a mistakes were made but with a mea culpa. When some pps were worried yesterday and wanted a pm from a poster, that was in fact perfectly reasonable and understandable. It was ok for me; I didn't need a pm. I knew I had no need to be worried, only concerned for the pps and for the poster who had meant well but gone a little further than we would like. I'm glad that some pps felt able to ask for pms and I hope those were exchanged and provided the reassurance or knowledge needed.

Right, back to settling in and on with our frothing.

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mauvishagain · 20/08/2025 12:01

Morning ladies! Just home from exploring pastures new, albeit with neither tent nor terminal diagnosis (I hope!). Onwards and upwards!

WhispersInTheFlowers · 20/08/2025 12:07

DisappointedReader · 20/08/2025 11:57

Hopefully more Pigpen than Raymoth:

As we all begin to disembark from the charabanc I want to begin not with a mistakes were made but with a mea culpa. When some pps were worried yesterday and wanted a pm from a poster, that was in fact perfectly reasonable and understandable. It was ok for me; I didn't need a pm. I knew I had no need to be worried, only concerned for the pps and for the poster who had meant well but gone a little further than we would like. I'm glad that some pps felt able to ask for pms and I hope those were exchanged and provided the reassurance or knowledge needed.

Right, back to settling in and on with our frothing.

Yes , a friendly exchange was made and all is hunky dory - and as it transpires it turns out that I was actually wrong. So that's me told! I really am so sorry for causing any concerns 😟

toooom · 20/08/2025 12:22

BaskervilleOldFace · 20/08/2025 11:39

Just read the blog post by TS Dymond (linked above). I thought it was excellent, summarising all aspects of the Salt Path controversy and also the wider moral implications for publishing and writing in today's "epistemological wasteland".

What depresses me is the number of comments I see all over the place saying things like 'what does it matter, everyone knows about artistic licence' or, worst of all, 'it's just a book'.
The truth does matter, and books matter.

I also thought it was interesting that the writer has not read any of the three books but was happy to use the referenced quote (until they weren’t).

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 20/08/2025 12:41

toooom · 20/08/2025 12:22

I also thought it was interesting that the writer has not read any of the three books but was happy to use the referenced quote (until they weren’t).

I think that was fair enough though. The book had a huge success and if someone compared one of my books to a huge seller, I wouldn't necessarily think I had to READ the book it was compared to. It's just one person's subjective opinion, not really a comment on the quality or content of the book.

Poltroon · 20/08/2025 12:46

WhispersInTheFlowers · 20/08/2025 11:28

As a reader I expected and deserved the basic premise of the book to be true. Otherwise what is the purpose of a non-fiction classification?

Boris Johnson’s memoir was also classified as non-fiction. See also various celebrity memoirs which their authors haven’t even read, far less written. ‘Non-fiction’ classification doesn’t guarantee truth.

SimoArmo · 20/08/2025 12:46

WhispersInTheFlowers · 20/08/2025 11:28

As a reader I expected and deserved the basic premise of the book to be true. Otherwise what is the purpose of a non-fiction classification?

Indeed. There's creative license, as @EdinburghMayhem as well as several before them, have already pointed out (which I don't think anyone here is arguing against and no one expects any story to be 100% true) and then there's complete fabrication and deception. The "creative licence" in TSP is beyond anything acceptable for a story presented as being fundamentally based on true, verifiable events. Otherwise, we wouldn't be on thread 16.

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