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To think that if people can take Mounjaro forever for maintenance (which I support FAOD)

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Fragmentedbrain · 18/08/2025 08:56

Why can't everyone just buy it when they feel the need?

Basically this means that people who lost weight in a different way are denied this long term amazing support tool while those who started off on it can keep using it. But if you purposefully regained a bit of weight to become "eligible" for the injections you could take them and then have Mounjaro available for life.

This seems very unfair to me.

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Arglefraster · 18/08/2025 09:39

Unless you're funding the research to support the drug licensing application it's not up to you.🤷‍♀️

You can't get the drug licensed for prescription to overweight patients unless you run the trials to gather sufficient data to show that it is safer to take the drug than remain overweight (& the data may not show what you want it to!)

holidaymakers · 18/08/2025 09:40

The more in demand something is the more it costs so will it be something for only those who can afford it?

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 09:40

Badknitter · 18/08/2025 09:39

It was designed as a medication for type 2 diabetics to help control sugar levels.
People who are prescribed it on this basis will be prescribed it for life.

Okay. The private prescriptions are now for obesity. They can also be lifelong medicines for obesity.

gimmemounjaro · 18/08/2025 09:41

Wonderwendy · 18/08/2025 09:10

I absolutely agree with you on this. I honestly can't see a logical reason why a maintenance dose when you're already slim is any different whether you lost weight the old fashioned way or by using the injections. I ALSO dont see the difference between a maintenance dose for those who have lost weight already and prescribing it for those people who are overweight but not technically obese.
But I know the gate-keepers will be along to angrily tell me I'm wrong.

You don’t understand the nature of metabolic disease, that’s all. Someone who has obesity and has reached a BMI of 27 is metabolically very different from someone without obesity who has a BMI of 27.
The fact that you don’t understand it doesn’t make all the research scientists and doctors wrong 🤷‍♀️

Edddie · 18/08/2025 09:41

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 09:34

No, I didn’t say that at all. I said it’s for obese people.

You said, word for word: “Obesity isn’t just being a little chunky, it’s major health issue inducing weight. It’s debilitating and costs the NHS billions. If you are 10 stone and wish you could easily be 9 stone, that’s a different issue…”

What did you mean was “a different issue” if you’re not meaning to say (how I interpreted it and what I think is the only interpretation) that being 10 stone is not “obesity” and that being 10 stone is “a little chunky” and, therefore, not appropriate for Mounjaro?

I can’t see any other meaning to what you said but please do clarify if I have misunderstood.

I have no idea why you’re being so combative. You appear to have taken a small correction to your comment as some kind of attack and some kind of veiled attempt to say something completely different. It was a minor correction to your comment and you launched straight into an attack. I have no idea why.

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 09:43

Edddie · 18/08/2025 09:41

You said, word for word: “Obesity isn’t just being a little chunky, it’s major health issue inducing weight. It’s debilitating and costs the NHS billions. If you are 10 stone and wish you could easily be 9 stone, that’s a different issue…”

What did you mean was “a different issue” if you’re not meaning to say (how I interpreted it and what I think is the only interpretation) that being 10 stone is not “obesity” and that being 10 stone is “a little chunky” and, therefore, not appropriate for Mounjaro?

I can’t see any other meaning to what you said but please do clarify if I have misunderstood.

I have no idea why you’re being so combative. You appear to have taken a small correction to your comment as some kind of attack and some kind of veiled attempt to say something completely different. It was a minor correction to your comment and you launched straight into an attack. I have no idea why.

I didn’t.

gimmemounjaro · 18/08/2025 09:45

Mustbethat · 18/08/2025 09:17

That’s the point though, it is being prescribed for people who don’t have obesity.

they may have started obese, but once they are in the non obese range they are still being prescribed it to lose more weight or maintain.

what is the difference between someone who started obese and used wld to get to a normal weight who can be prescribed wld, and someone who started obese, used conventional methods to get to non obese, but then can’t have wld prescribed to get to a healthy weight.

People with the metabolic condition of obesity still have obesity even if they have lost weight. So no, it isn’t being prescribed for people who don’t have obesity (apart from the people lying and getting it fraudulently of course)

Edddie · 18/08/2025 09:46

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 09:43

I didn’t.

You’re right. My apologies. Why did you feel the need to incorrectly “correct” minor correction of someone else at all? What a very, very odd thing to do.

VioletandDill · 18/08/2025 09:46

I know someone who's somehow wangled it and she wasn't overweight in the first place. Now she looks emaciated, and she's still going. That's one thing I'd worry about were it freely available.

Wonderwendy · 18/08/2025 09:47

gimmemounjaro · 18/08/2025 09:41

You don’t understand the nature of metabolic disease, that’s all. Someone who has obesity and has reached a BMI of 27 is metabolically very different from someone without obesity who has a BMI of 27.
The fact that you don’t understand it doesn’t make all the research scientists and doctors wrong 🤷‍♀️

Well THAT'S not what we're talking about is it?? If you are obese and you lose weight with MJ by your logic the maintenance dose shouldn't be maintained since you've "reached a BMI of 27". Unless you're only arguing with the second point (that it shouldn't be for overweight) rather than the full post where I said it shouldn't matter whether you lost with MJ or traditional methods, since either way you were obese and lost the excess weight.

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 09:49

Edddie · 18/08/2025 09:46

You’re right. My apologies. Why did you feel the need to incorrectly “correct” minor correction of someone else at all? What a very, very odd thing to do.

This is an open messaging forum and you claimed that anyone who is 5 foot and 10 stone could get it. You’re wrong.

Nevertrustacop · 18/08/2025 09:49

I agree with you OP. It's not about risk, it's about supply it's at the moment. When it's produced by companies other than the current, the others will all want to maximise their profits and start proper testing in slimmer people. This hasn't been done yet.
In 10 years I bet it has a longer shelf life, doesn't need to be refrigerated, is available to all and likely over the counter. Not via the NHS of course, but privately.

Edddie · 18/08/2025 09:52

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 09:49

This is an open messaging forum and you claimed that anyone who is 5 foot and 10 stone could get it. You’re wrong.

I didn’t.

0BLIVIOUS · 18/08/2025 09:54

o think this would be dangerous for people with anorexia for example

gimmemounjaro · 18/08/2025 09:56

Wonderwendy · 18/08/2025 09:47

Well THAT'S not what we're talking about is it?? If you are obese and you lose weight with MJ by your logic the maintenance dose shouldn't be maintained since you've "reached a BMI of 27". Unless you're only arguing with the second point (that it shouldn't be for overweight) rather than the full post where I said it shouldn't matter whether you lost with MJ or traditional methods, since either way you were obese and lost the excess weight.

Weird - I’m responding to a point you raised, how is that “not what we’re talking about”? People without obesity who are overweight are not the same as people with obesity who are overweight.

I ALSO dont see the difference between a maintenance dose for those who have lost weight already and prescribing it for those people who are overweight but not technically obese.

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Luckyingame · 18/08/2025 10:03

Opinion is opinion. I would ban these injections altogether.

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ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 10:05

Luckyingame · 18/08/2025 10:03

Opinion is opinion. I would ban these injections altogether.

Why? You’d then be harming people with diabetes.

SylvanianFamiliesBalcony · 18/08/2025 10:06

Fragmentedbrain · 18/08/2025 09:02

I think a person who has struggled all their life with their weight would put on a couple of stones to gain eligibility for a lifelong possible cure for that struggle.

Absolutely agree.

I was BMI 27 when I decided I wanted to go on Mounjaro, it struck me as frankly ridiculous that to be officially allowed it I'd have to commit to piling on another few stone to reach that magical obese category. So I found a legit online pharmacy that doesn't ask for GP records and went for it and was approved. I just fabricated my height and weight a little to look like I was obese.

Yes it's lying, but it hurts literally nobody. Most people who are looking at Mounjaro aren't expecting the NHS to fund it either, and losing weight will save the NHS an enormous amount of money long term.

Now happily sat at a BMI of 21.1. One of the best things I've ever done.

The genie won't go back in the bottle now people know there is finally a simple way to lose weight that doesn't require willpower (which some people have in spade, good for them! Some don't).

Fragmentedbrain · 18/08/2025 10:12

SylvanianFamiliesBalcony · 18/08/2025 10:06

Absolutely agree.

I was BMI 27 when I decided I wanted to go on Mounjaro, it struck me as frankly ridiculous that to be officially allowed it I'd have to commit to piling on another few stone to reach that magical obese category. So I found a legit online pharmacy that doesn't ask for GP records and went for it and was approved. I just fabricated my height and weight a little to look like I was obese.

Yes it's lying, but it hurts literally nobody. Most people who are looking at Mounjaro aren't expecting the NHS to fund it either, and losing weight will save the NHS an enormous amount of money long term.

Now happily sat at a BMI of 21.1. One of the best things I've ever done.

The genie won't go back in the bottle now people know there is finally a simple way to lose weight that doesn't require willpower (which some people have in spade, good for them! Some don't).

Glad it is working for you. Do you think you'll keep taking it forever (and is it easy enough to get on a maintenance basis in your experience)?

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jacks11 · 18/08/2025 10:13

I prescribe these sorts of agents- though not for weight loss, as it’s single goal- for other medical conditions.

The concerns I have are that patients are wanting it solely for modest weight loss is that it does not address a fundamental problem that do many have- unhealthy lifestyles. Not everyone, obviously, but why fix that when you can just use a drug? I think it is different for morbid obesity and obesity because the risks are so clearly outweighed by the benefits. But even in these cases, patients should really get support as so many of the patients I work with who are morbidly obese (and not largely due to medication or a specific medical condition) do have other factors at play that led them down that path. Most people who are overweight do have an unhealthy relationship with food, many have disordered eating and some have a full blown eating disorder. Medication works, but we would be doing a much more holistic job if we addressed these factors as well.

Part if the problem is lifestyle- and before I get jumped on, that is not a criticism but a statement of fact. It isn’t as simple as calories in vs calories out, especially once someone is obese, but can we please stop suggesting that all obese people eat healthily and exercise regularly etc. The majority of my patients in this category don’t, they may not not eat as badly or do more exercise than some thin/thinner people they know, but few have “ideal” or even “good” diet and exercise habits. I know because it’s one of the things I have to go over with patients.

I think our perception of a “normal” diet and activity levels is so very distorted from what our bodies are actually physiologically adapted to. And, because of the ease and relative (to the past) low cost, of processed and higher calorie foods (even if you cook from scratch) the majority of us have fallen victim to that distorted perception. Unfortunately, some people are more prone to gaining weight for psychological reasons or physiological/genetic ones. Once overweight, there are additional physiological factors which can influence further weight gain/weight loss- but that is genuinely rarely the sole reason someone continues to have further weight gain/struggle with weight loss.

There have always been overweight people. But they were far lower in number in previous generations. So it cannot all be genetic. There is a reason there is an obesity epidemic now and not 100 years ago. There is a reason that it primarily affects westernised/developed countries, and to a lesser extent, countries who are on that route.

I guess what I’m saying is that my concern is that if all we do to anyone who is has a weight problem, or even just at all heavier than they’d like to be, that they just use a drug and that’s it sorted. But we don’t actually look at the damage the underlying causes of the obesity epidemic, we only change one part of the problem and people’s health will still suffer.

Finally, if you are going to make this available on the NHS to anyone who wants it, no weight/health criteria, you’d better be prepared for the cost of that. The costs would be vast, especially if you are also going to suggest use as maintenance for anyone who wants it for as long as they do. And find manufacturers able to provide it at sufficient scale, currently you’d end up cutting off people who use these agents for diabetes, renal disease, cardiovascular disease inc heart failure, and liver disease, for example.

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 10:19

jacks11 · 18/08/2025 10:13

I prescribe these sorts of agents- though not for weight loss, as it’s single goal- for other medical conditions.

The concerns I have are that patients are wanting it solely for modest weight loss is that it does not address a fundamental problem that do many have- unhealthy lifestyles. Not everyone, obviously, but why fix that when you can just use a drug? I think it is different for morbid obesity and obesity because the risks are so clearly outweighed by the benefits. But even in these cases, patients should really get support as so many of the patients I work with who are morbidly obese (and not largely due to medication or a specific medical condition) do have other factors at play that led them down that path. Most people who are overweight do have an unhealthy relationship with food, many have disordered eating and some have a full blown eating disorder. Medication works, but we would be doing a much more holistic job if we addressed these factors as well.

Part if the problem is lifestyle- and before I get jumped on, that is not a criticism but a statement of fact. It isn’t as simple as calories in vs calories out, especially once someone is obese, but can we please stop suggesting that all obese people eat healthily and exercise regularly etc. The majority of my patients in this category don’t, they may not not eat as badly or do more exercise than some thin/thinner people they know, but few have “ideal” or even “good” diet and exercise habits. I know because it’s one of the things I have to go over with patients.

I think our perception of a “normal” diet and activity levels is so very distorted from what our bodies are actually physiologically adapted to. And, because of the ease and relative (to the past) low cost, of processed and higher calorie foods (even if you cook from scratch) the majority of us have fallen victim to that distorted perception. Unfortunately, some people are more prone to gaining weight for psychological reasons or physiological/genetic ones. Once overweight, there are additional physiological factors which can influence further weight gain/weight loss- but that is genuinely rarely the sole reason someone continues to have further weight gain/struggle with weight loss.

There have always been overweight people. But they were far lower in number in previous generations. So it cannot all be genetic. There is a reason there is an obesity epidemic now and not 100 years ago. There is a reason that it primarily affects westernised/developed countries, and to a lesser extent, countries who are on that route.

I guess what I’m saying is that my concern is that if all we do to anyone who is has a weight problem, or even just at all heavier than they’d like to be, that they just use a drug and that’s it sorted. But we don’t actually look at the damage the underlying causes of the obesity epidemic, we only change one part of the problem and people’s health will still suffer.

Finally, if you are going to make this available on the NHS to anyone who wants it, no weight/health criteria, you’d better be prepared for the cost of that. The costs would be vast, especially if you are also going to suggest use as maintenance for anyone who wants it for as long as they do. And find manufacturers able to provide it at sufficient scale, currently you’d end up cutting off people who use these agents for diabetes, renal disease, cardiovascular disease inc heart failure, and liver disease, for example.

I will completely hold my hand up and say that I had a very unhealthy lifestyle before Mounjaro.

I started 2024 at 144kg. I lost about 17 kilos myself in the first eight months of 2024. It was slow, it was painful and horribly frustrating. My weight would yo yo, I would struggle to keep it off and my period felt like it undid all progress. I started Mounjaro at 127kg in August of last year. I’m now 98.6 kilos and the lowest weight I’ve been in my adult life. I’ve completely changed my life in that time - I focus on whole foods (the only UPF I have in a day is a protein shake or pudding to boost me above 100g of protein), I have started running regularly, I hit 10k steps everyday, I go to the gym 4 times a week. None of that would have happened without Mounjaro.

Portakalkedi · 18/08/2025 10:28

I do think these drugs should be prioritised for those with or at risk of diabetes etc, particularly if funded by the NHS.
As someone who finds it hard to lose weight myself, I have to say though let's be honest with ourselves - those saying 'I tried everything ...' means everything except eating less and/or changing your diet. There are few who CANNOT lose weight naturally but of course it requires willpower and determination, but let's be honest and stop saying 'I tried everything'. It's annoying to keep reading this in the many weight loss drug stories we see every day.

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