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Thread 15: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 14/08/2025 10:52

The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The 14 Observer items currently available on their online 'The real Salt Path' page: The real Salt Path | The Observer

4 more from The Observer:
‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...

The real Salt Path | The Observer (The Slow Newscast)

(Live/online event)

The Observer YouTube Channel: The Observer UK - YouTube

Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement: Raynor Winn

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer items above before posting. There are currently a number of interesting items on The Observer website and linked to above.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for fourteen very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

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Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge be with you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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Freshsocks · 17/08/2025 14:12

I just had a Google the AI overview to my question, yes a consultant who knows their diagnosis of a patient is being miss used and has led that patient to financial gain and or the harm to others, can be reported for investigation to the relevant health authority.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/08/2025 14:17

SimoArmo · 17/08/2025 13:46

I know! That's one of the absurdities of it, yet that's what they wrote in the smallholders' forum.

To be fair though, when a book comes out then you are kind of expected to 'talk it up' a bit. Nobody is going to flock to buy a book if the author says 'come on guys, I've only sold two copies and it's a really good book, honestly!' If the author says 'book is selling like hot cakes, likely to run out of the first printing soon! So hurry and get your copy now.' it all sounds much more like something everyone wants to buy and you're therefore more likely to get sucked in.

SunlitUpland · 17/08/2025 14:20

Freshsocks · 17/08/2025 14:12

I just had a Google the AI overview to my question, yes a consultant who knows their diagnosis of a patient is being miss used and has led that patient to financial gain and or the harm to others, can be reported for investigation to the relevant health authority.

I assume part of the issue with taking action would be that the consultant was never identified, in the books or the medical letters published by SW in her statement, so that saying ‘I am Tim Walker’s neurologist’ would involve a breach of medical confidentiality. And obviously it would be a serious professional, legal and ethical breach to disclose actual medical information, though there are circumstances when a doctor can be compelled to disclose when testifying in a court of law, or a patient can waive confidentiality.

Fandango52 · 17/08/2025 14:30

I know we can’t say anything about this with any certainty, but I’m curious about whether any more information is going to come out in the Observer in the coming weeks.

Freshsocks · 17/08/2025 14:33

I get what you are saying @SunlitUpland would it not follow that when a complaint is made to the relevant health authority they will know who the consultant is and carry out an investigation, without any of us knowing who the consultant is and protecting their identity, if they have not been complicit, they for example didn't know Salray had retrofitted their diagnosis for financial gain or potentially harmed others, they have nothing to worry about.

Catwith69lives · 17/08/2025 14:37

Fandango52 · 17/08/2025 14:30

I know we can’t say anything about this with any certainty, but I’m curious about whether any more information is going to come out in the Observer in the coming weeks.

I'm doubtful. If CH can track down Polly and Dave and Julie and get their side of the story, that could be a different matter.

I doubt the consultant who saw Raymoth in 2015 and was possibly the same consultant in the 2019 and 2025 letters will speak out. Even if he did read TSP, without knowing the date of the court judgment and house repossession, he would have had no reason not to think that the events described in TSP didn't happen in 2015 after the first diagnosis rather than 2013/4.

TheBrandyPath · 17/08/2025 14:42

@cricketandwhodunnits Given that she actually mentions the Australians I wonder how many of these people who contacted her, did so in order to say "hang about, wrong year, you never said that, I never said that..."

This is funny - from the end of TSP:

"We met many helpful, interesting and thoughtful people on our journey, many of whom are untraceable, but they know who they are."

RayMoth hope ....!

Freshsocks · 17/08/2025 14:52

@Catwith69lives I don't know if this is down to what the consultant might want to disclose or not, they must be aware now that their diagnosis was used in a way that led to financial gain and the harm of others, from what I can see they have a duty to report this, not doing so makes them complicit, these are rules put in place to protect us. The 2015 consultant can say that they were unaware of the book and it has only just come to their attention, unless of course they were writing reviews.

cricketandwhodunnits · 17/08/2025 14:54

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 15:22

Btw I did contact somebody who had a friend who practised tai-chi on the SWCP near Porlock Weir and believed he was the person depicted in TSP.. Admittedly he wasn't blind, but when asked if he might have made a prediction about walking with a tortoise, he apparently said he could have and that he vaguely recollected meeting RAymoth.

Going back a long way in the thread here - I had just assumed the "blind seer" was a shout-out to the Odyssey. As indeed,perhaps, are "battle-scarred warrior tempted by gorgeous young women to be unfaithful to his aging and patient wife" and "suspiciously well-timed death of faithful companion animal".

BlueHorses · 17/08/2025 15:11

Freshsocks · 17/08/2025 14:52

@Catwith69lives I don't know if this is down to what the consultant might want to disclose or not, they must be aware now that their diagnosis was used in a way that led to financial gain and the harm of others, from what I can see they have a duty to report this, not doing so makes them complicit, these are rules put in place to protect us. The 2015 consultant can say that they were unaware of the book and it has only just come to their attention, unless of course they were writing reviews.

I think it would be a huge stretch to attempt to prove that an individual neurology consultant who saw a patient called Tim Walker at some point should have been expected to recognise their patient as the 'Moth Winn' character in a best-selling memoir, decide that his/her diagnosis was being misused for gain, and disclose the real TW's diagnosis to protect the public from thinking that you could walk off CBD.

Uricon2 · 17/08/2025 15:12

Catwith69lives · 17/08/2025 14:37

I'm doubtful. If CH can track down Polly and Dave and Julie and get their side of the story, that could be a different matter.

I doubt the consultant who saw Raymoth in 2015 and was possibly the same consultant in the 2019 and 2025 letters will speak out. Even if he did read TSP, without knowing the date of the court judgment and house repossession, he would have had no reason not to think that the events described in TSP didn't happen in 2015 after the first diagnosis rather than 2013/4.

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I think this is where the Simon A thing could confound them, because his walk was definitely and publically done in 2013 and his book about it came out in 2015. Obviously only if anyone knew or checked of course!

cricketandwhodunnits · 17/08/2025 15:12

cricketandwhodunnits · 17/08/2025 14:54

Going back a long way in the thread here - I had just assumed the "blind seer" was a shout-out to the Odyssey. As indeed,perhaps, are "battle-scarred warrior tempted by gorgeous young women to be unfaithful to his aging and patient wife" and "suspiciously well-timed death of faithful companion animal".

Oh and also "sexy sea-nymph" (see earlier discussion), "silver-tongued hero survives by trickery" (pretending to be Simon Armitage) & possibly even "journey interrupted by sheep-related period of captivity". The Salt Path is definitely more Odyssey than Beowulf. Well, that's a fun theory for a Sunday afternoon. Maybe I will apply to be redesignated the Long Stories Mostly About Men Hitting Things correspondent, which covers both (men's) cricket and epic poetry.

Uricon2 · 17/08/2025 15:16

I get the theory @cricketandwhodunnits ! Lucky for Raymoth Homer can't join the long list of people aggrieved by them.

TheBrandyPath · 17/08/2025 15:20

cricketandwhodunnits · 17/08/2025 15:12

Oh and also "sexy sea-nymph" (see earlier discussion), "silver-tongued hero survives by trickery" (pretending to be Simon Armitage) & possibly even "journey interrupted by sheep-related period of captivity". The Salt Path is definitely more Odyssey than Beowulf. Well, that's a fun theory for a Sunday afternoon. Maybe I will apply to be redesignated the Long Stories Mostly About Men Hitting Things correspondent, which covers both (men's) cricket and epic poetry.

I find TSP dreary and I have definitely seen some of the episodes in terms of Greek myths and heroes.

Aphrodite, as you mention.

Grant and beauties - Dionysus and the Maenads

The Odyssey is acknowledged at the end of the book - but I don't know what for?

PullTheBricksDown · 17/08/2025 15:23

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/08/2025 09:54

I also thought that it's not much of a smallholding with one sheep, one hen and fruit trees. That sort of description has 'hobby farmer' written all over it, where they call it 'self sufficiency' but he works in Finance in London and commutes back twice a week.

OK so doesn't look like they could have supported themselves through farming the 'smallholding'. How then were they earning money to live on during the mid 2000s years? Or any of the years they lived in Wales? Early on TW was gardener then head gardener, RW was a law clerk at one point and working at the Abersoch hotel at another, assuming that's all true. She'd have young children then though so those may have been part time jobs. What made TW quit as gardener, whenever exactly that was, and how did they then support the family? Did they count on income from the barn let? Was this when the embezzlement began, to fill the gaps?

Freshsocks · 17/08/2025 15:30

@BlueHorses I agree that the consultant could have been unaware of the book or film, or that it related to his patient Tim Walker, but now that it is known, I don't see why the consultant cannot be made aware that their diagnosis has been used in this way, by their own health authority.

cricketandwhodunnits · 17/08/2025 15:31

TheBrandyPath · 17/08/2025 15:20

I find TSP dreary and I have definitely seen some of the episodes in terms of Greek myths and heroes.

Aphrodite, as you mention.

Grant and beauties - Dionysus and the Maenads

The Odyssey is acknowledged at the end of the book - but I don't know what for?

And if we're continuing to follow this side quest isn't it fun that they are temporarily hosted/imprisoned/tricked by POLLYphemus...?

Sorry I can't find the acknowledgement of The Odyssey - is it in the main text?

Fwiw if this is anything more than a made-up exercise in connecting absolutely anything with anything else, my theory would be, the links to the Odyssey point to the fictionalisation & also to one of the reasons the book strikes a chord - the Odyssey and its images and tropes are so deeply embedded in Western culture (think about siren songs, smooth-talking trickster heroes) that people respond to them without consciously noticing them. But I wouldn't want to defend this theory against sustained rational assault!

PullTheBricksDown · 17/08/2025 15:31

BlueHorses · 17/08/2025 15:11

I think it would be a huge stretch to attempt to prove that an individual neurology consultant who saw a patient called Tim Walker at some point should have been expected to recognise their patient as the 'Moth Winn' character in a best-selling memoir, decide that his/her diagnosis was being misused for gain, and disclose the real TW's diagnosis to protect the public from thinking that you could walk off CBD.

Agree with @BlueHorses here. And while I'm neither a lawyer nor a medic, I would be saying to this consultant to point out in their own defence that this is surely something the publishers should have done due diligence on, and had PRH ever got a clinician to read the story and check over the medical detail, or indeed asked the WWs to supply any medical documentation to support the narrative's claims?

In her website rebuttal, RW says she is releasing medical letters with Moth's permission and that of his clinician. I would really like to see evidence that she actually asked the clinician first.

PullTheBricksDown · 17/08/2025 15:35

TheBrandyPath · 17/08/2025 15:20

I find TSP dreary and I have definitely seen some of the episodes in terms of Greek myths and heroes.

Aphrodite, as you mention.

Grant and beauties - Dionysus and the Maenads

The Odyssey is acknowledged at the end of the book - but I don't know what for?

I'm loving @cricketandwhodunnits creative literary mapping of the Odyssey onto TSP, but I wouldn't discount it simply being referenced because most people know it's a story of a long journey with dangers, problems along the way. Might be as simple as that.

TheBrandyPath · 17/08/2025 15:36

PullTheBricksDown · 17/08/2025 15:35

I'm loving @cricketandwhodunnits creative literary mapping of the Odyssey onto TSP, but I wouldn't discount it simply being referenced because most people know it's a story of a long journey with dangers, problems along the way. Might be as simple as that.

Yes, I acknowledge I was probably just bored! @cricketandwhodunnits is right - it is so embedded in my Psyche

Freshsocks · 17/08/2025 15:37

@PullTheBricksDown They must have been surviving on working families tax credit, possible ESA if Tim was unable to work, with bad shoulder. They would have qualified for certain child support until the children were out of full time education. We still don't know when Tim's health issues started.

AzureStaffy · 17/08/2025 15:37

@cricketandwhodunnits

There's a quote from The Odyssey in TSP after the Prologue:

 Tell me about a complicated man.

Muse, tell me how he wandered and was lost...

SimoArmo · 17/08/2025 15:37

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/08/2025 14:17

To be fair though, when a book comes out then you are kind of expected to 'talk it up' a bit. Nobody is going to flock to buy a book if the author says 'come on guys, I've only sold two copies and it's a really good book, honestly!' If the author says 'book is selling like hot cakes, likely to run out of the first printing soon! So hurry and get your copy now.' it all sounds much more like something everyone wants to buy and you're therefore more likely to get sucked in.

Yes. They did an awful job even trying to sell it. I think they thought being entered into the house raffle would be enough incentive (and get individuals to buy multiple copies) without thinking about how a normal book, even a self-published one, is marketed.

AzureStaffy · 17/08/2025 15:38

AzureStaffy · 17/08/2025 15:37

@cricketandwhodunnits

There's a quote from The Odyssey in TSP after the Prologue:

 Tell me about a complicated man.

Muse, tell me how he wandered and was lost...

No idea why that's come out like that.

BlueHorses · 17/08/2025 15:41

Freshsocks · 17/08/2025 15:30

@BlueHorses I agree that the consultant could have been unaware of the book or film, or that it related to his patient Tim Walker, but now that it is known, I don't see why the consultant cannot be made aware that their diagnosis has been used in this way, by their own health authority.

But known by whom? I don't think there is any case for a health authority to censure one of its consultants because he or she may possibly have been misrepresented in a heavily embellished memoir as giving someone a terminal diagnosis of a condition the RL individual doesn't appear to have. I mean, that's not on the medic involved.

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