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Thread 15: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 14/08/2025 10:52

The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The 14 Observer items currently available on their online 'The real Salt Path' page: The real Salt Path | The Observer

4 more from The Observer:
‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...

The real Salt Path | The Observer (The Slow Newscast)

(Live/online event)

The Observer YouTube Channel: The Observer UK - YouTube

Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement: Raynor Winn

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer items above before posting. There are currently a number of interesting items on The Observer website and linked to above.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for fourteen very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

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Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge be with you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 15:22

BlueHorses · 16/08/2025 15:14

You can read one article by creating a free account.

It doesn't tell us anything new, but is in parts quite funny and I agree with the journalist's contention that part of TSP's appeal to Middle England is down to how much of a moanfest it is, under the guise of it being 'feelgood' and 'uplifting', and that some people don't care whether or not it's true.

The journey begins with a climb out of Minehead. It is “excruciatingly steep”, says Ms Winn, leaving her with a “huge blister two inches across”, which soon halts progress. There are many grassy spots but, inexplicably, the duo decide to pitch their tent on heather (like “lying in the fork drawer”). Ms Winn’s thin sleeping bag is “bone-aching cold”. Moth’s pills mean he doesn’t want to have sex. He snores.

The adjective most often applied to “The Salt Path” is “uplifting”. Yet what strikes the reader most is constant grumbling, which surely accounts for part of the book’s success. In “The Wild Places”, Robert Macfarlane, perhaps Britain’s finest naturalist writer, happily nestles down in his bivouac with some cheese and rye bread for dinner; a few sonnets are enough to keep him warm. The book sold around 100,000 copies. Ms Winn’s moan-fest sold 2m and was translated into 25 languages. Its message: you too could be redeemed by nature, even if you find it annoying.

Ms Winn finds everything annoying. Slights, perceived or imagined, seem to lurk around every corner. After making it down to Bossington—a pretty descent that Ms Winn spends mulling whether she dislikes uphills or downhills more—the couple stop for a cream tea they can’t afford. Here they admit to a family that they are homeless, whereupon “the man reached out and pulled his child towards him and the wife winced and looked away.” Ms Winn finds such pathos in this scene that she repeats it twice later, almost word for word. Elsewhere, complete strangers call the couple “disgusting”.

The journalist walks (or claims to walk Grin) the first 30 km of the SWCP, gauges local people's response to both the book and the allegations, and points out that a memoir is subject to far less fact-checking than a reputable newspaper's journalism:

A few miles on, in Porlock, locals have mixed views. “It’s all a load of old nonsense isn’t it,” says Lesley Thompson, buying her morning paper in SPAR. Her main gripe is that a scene in the film featuring a local beach has led to streams of confused tourists looking for a path that does not exist. Paul McGee, the owner of The Lorna Doone Hotel, is more chipper, crediting Ms Winn with a slight uptick in business. Next year he expects a surge, when Ms Anderson’s fans stream over from America.

One question raised by the scandal is whether publishers should be more sceptical. Climbing the hill out of Porlock, the Winns encounter a blind man practising yoga on the path, who catches them up at a picturesque church. “We’re just walking the path,” they tell him. “You are, and you’ll travel many miles,” the blind man replies. “You’ll see many things, amazing things, and suffer many setbacks,” the blind man continues, before laying his hand on Moth’s. “But you will overcome them, you’ll survive, and it will make you strong.”

Perhaps one far-fetched scene could be overlooked (“I’ve been in that church many times and I’ve never been spoken to by any blind man,” says Tony Richards, the church warden). But most of the reported speech in the book sounds like a Hollywood script rather than real life. Industry figures have noted that many publishers have no fact-checkers. A book billed as a “true story” is subject to far less scrutiny than this article.

The article references James Frey and his excuse, in subsequent editions of A Million Little Pieces (later marketed as a novel) that he was writing' about the person I had created in my mind':

Ms Winn insists her book is true and says she “can’t allow any more doubt to be cast on the validity of those memories”. But it will be, in part because the scandal itself is such a good story. “The Salt Path” is a morality play in which the protagonists—homeless, dying, poor—endure a callous world, indifferent to their suffering. Not only does that tale now appear fabricated, it has caused suffering of its own, including to CBS patients who took false hope from Moth’s recovery.

What, then, is the moral of this story? It could be, as Ms Winn would put it, the power of keeping going. The journey has brought her riches, though it seems unlikely she will be counting her good fortune. Perhaps it is that the truth will always catch up with you. Yet Ms Winn’s book will remain in print; while some readers are angry, others seem not to mind. “I’ve heard all that stuff and I don’t care,” says a woman inspired to walk the trail, a few miles before Lymouth. “It’s about the theory.”

Btw I did contact somebody who had a friend who practised tai-chi on the SWCP near Porlock Weir and believed he was the person depicted in TSP.. Admittedly he wasn't blind, but when asked if he might have made a prediction about walking with a tortoise, he apparently said he could have and that he vaguely recollected meeting RAymoth.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/08/2025 15:29

“We’re just walking the path,” they tell him. “You are, and you’ll travel many miles,” the blind man replies. “You’ll see many things, amazing things, and suffer many setbacks,” the blind man continues, before laying his hand on Moth’s.

If he was blind, how did he know where Moth's hand was? He could have been touching anything.

DisappointedReader · 16/08/2025 15:31

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/08/2025 15:29

“We’re just walking the path,” they tell him. “You are, and you’ll travel many miles,” the blind man replies. “You’ll see many things, amazing things, and suffer many setbacks,” the blind man continues, before laying his hand on Moth’s.

If he was blind, how did he know where Moth's hand was? He could have been touching anything.

He was after his Mars Bar.

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DisappointedReader · 16/08/2025 15:49

Uricon2 · 16/08/2025 13:41

I'm not a correspondent (sob) Could I be Correspondent for the Poet Laureate? It has a really nice ring and I'm v happy to share the position with anyone else who wants.

Credentials

a) I've read 2 of his books and ever so many of his poems

b) I actually could distinguish him from Mothtim in a lineup.

Granted, of course, although you will have to co-parent our Simon in cardboard form with @Vroomfondleswaistcoat

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DisappointedReader · 16/08/2025 15:51

The Accidental Smallholder link in a pp is working again now.

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DisappointedReader · 16/08/2025 15:53

Dave and Julie appear without sunglasses in the Iceland photo in the thread gallery.

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Uricon2 · 16/08/2025 15:55

DisappointedReader · 16/08/2025 15:49

Granted, of course, although you will have to co-parent our Simon in cardboard form with @Vroomfondleswaistcoat

Thank you @DisappointedReader ! I know he uses his salary as PL to support a poetry prize, but perhaps it's worth an ask if he's got any of his 600 bottles of sherry a year going spare. There's room for refreshments in the boot of the charabanc after all.

DisappointedReader · 16/08/2025 16:19

Afternoon all. I hope everyone is well today. Walking on a path yesterday - no, not the path - my DC and I stood to one side to allow another hiker thankfully fully clothed, no Mars Bars to pass. Just for a moment I thought he was Timmoth. He was about the right age, build and height, similar smile and Paul Hollywood-type eyes and he was, unusually, wearing a bandana. He greeted and thanked us but the accent was all wrong and up close, in a shaft of sunlight coming through the tree canopy, I could tell it wasn't him. I had been quite ready to tie him to a tree with a dog lead, shine my torch in his duplicitous twinkly eyes and give him the third degree on behalf of the thread and our Chloe! I think my DC must have wondered why I was 'looking at that man all funny'. He was alone and no sign of a RayIzzSal doppelganger.

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Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 16:20

BlueHorses · 16/08/2025 15:14

You can read one article by creating a free account.

It doesn't tell us anything new, but is in parts quite funny and I agree with the journalist's contention that part of TSP's appeal to Middle England is down to how much of a moanfest it is, under the guise of it being 'feelgood' and 'uplifting', and that some people don't care whether or not it's true.

The journey begins with a climb out of Minehead. It is “excruciatingly steep”, says Ms Winn, leaving her with a “huge blister two inches across”, which soon halts progress. There are many grassy spots but, inexplicably, the duo decide to pitch their tent on heather (like “lying in the fork drawer”). Ms Winn’s thin sleeping bag is “bone-aching cold”. Moth’s pills mean he doesn’t want to have sex. He snores.

The adjective most often applied to “The Salt Path” is “uplifting”. Yet what strikes the reader most is constant grumbling, which surely accounts for part of the book’s success. In “The Wild Places”, Robert Macfarlane, perhaps Britain’s finest naturalist writer, happily nestles down in his bivouac with some cheese and rye bread for dinner; a few sonnets are enough to keep him warm. The book sold around 100,000 copies. Ms Winn’s moan-fest sold 2m and was translated into 25 languages. Its message: you too could be redeemed by nature, even if you find it annoying.

Ms Winn finds everything annoying. Slights, perceived or imagined, seem to lurk around every corner. After making it down to Bossington—a pretty descent that Ms Winn spends mulling whether she dislikes uphills or downhills more—the couple stop for a cream tea they can’t afford. Here they admit to a family that they are homeless, whereupon “the man reached out and pulled his child towards him and the wife winced and looked away.” Ms Winn finds such pathos in this scene that she repeats it twice later, almost word for word. Elsewhere, complete strangers call the couple “disgusting”.

The journalist walks (or claims to walk Grin) the first 30 km of the SWCP, gauges local people's response to both the book and the allegations, and points out that a memoir is subject to far less fact-checking than a reputable newspaper's journalism:

A few miles on, in Porlock, locals have mixed views. “It’s all a load of old nonsense isn’t it,” says Lesley Thompson, buying her morning paper in SPAR. Her main gripe is that a scene in the film featuring a local beach has led to streams of confused tourists looking for a path that does not exist. Paul McGee, the owner of The Lorna Doone Hotel, is more chipper, crediting Ms Winn with a slight uptick in business. Next year he expects a surge, when Ms Anderson’s fans stream over from America.

One question raised by the scandal is whether publishers should be more sceptical. Climbing the hill out of Porlock, the Winns encounter a blind man practising yoga on the path, who catches them up at a picturesque church. “We’re just walking the path,” they tell him. “You are, and you’ll travel many miles,” the blind man replies. “You’ll see many things, amazing things, and suffer many setbacks,” the blind man continues, before laying his hand on Moth’s. “But you will overcome them, you’ll survive, and it will make you strong.”

Perhaps one far-fetched scene could be overlooked (“I’ve been in that church many times and I’ve never been spoken to by any blind man,” says Tony Richards, the church warden). But most of the reported speech in the book sounds like a Hollywood script rather than real life. Industry figures have noted that many publishers have no fact-checkers. A book billed as a “true story” is subject to far less scrutiny than this article.

The article references James Frey and his excuse, in subsequent editions of A Million Little Pieces (later marketed as a novel) that he was writing' about the person I had created in my mind':

Ms Winn insists her book is true and says she “can’t allow any more doubt to be cast on the validity of those memories”. But it will be, in part because the scandal itself is such a good story. “The Salt Path” is a morality play in which the protagonists—homeless, dying, poor—endure a callous world, indifferent to their suffering. Not only does that tale now appear fabricated, it has caused suffering of its own, including to CBS patients who took false hope from Moth’s recovery.

What, then, is the moral of this story? It could be, as Ms Winn would put it, the power of keeping going. The journey has brought her riches, though it seems unlikely she will be counting her good fortune. Perhaps it is that the truth will always catch up with you. Yet Ms Winn’s book will remain in print; while some readers are angry, others seem not to mind. “I’ve heard all that stuff and I don’t care,” says a woman inspired to walk the trail, a few miles before Lymouth. “It’s about the theory.”

The tortoise prophesy seems pretty far fetched and an artistic device to tie up the start of the walk with the end at Polperro when they meet somebody dressed up for a 1950s safari taking his tortoise 'Lettuce' out for a constitutional on a lead.

There was a tortoise sanctuary at Lower Sticker near Polperro run by an eccentric lady called Joy Bloom. Maybe that's where SW got the tortoise idea from!

As for the peregrine falcon (she's been back a week now. She'd gone same day you were las' year. Knew you were comin', that she were bringin' you back. It's a sign,i'n' it.) seen at Polruan on arrival in Sept 2013 and the following year at exactly the same time/place - well they are territorial and do return to nest in spots like cliff ledges but they only do this during the nesting season (March/April) not in September!

DisappointedReader · 16/08/2025 16:23

Wasn't there a tortoise in the Parsons' blog too @Catwith69lives ?

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Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 16:25

DisappointedReader · 16/08/2025 16:23

Wasn't there a tortoise in the Parsons' blog too @Catwith69lives ?

Not sure - wasn't it just Grant swingers? I haven't read the blog.

SimoArmo · 16/08/2025 16:47

DisappointedReader · 16/08/2025 16:23

Wasn't there a tortoise in the Parsons' blog too @Catwith69lives ?

Yes, in Plymouth I think. Was on a pavement anyway.

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 17:01

SimoArmo · 16/08/2025 16:47

Yes, in Plymouth I think. Was on a pavement anyway.

In Falmouth - it belonged to one of their cousins but was called Claude and 53 years old!

Thread 15: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
ShrinkWrappedInSeattle · 16/08/2025 17:09

DisappointedReader · 16/08/2025 15:53

Dave and Julie appear without sunglasses in the Iceland photo in the thread gallery.

To me they look really different in this (Iceland) photo….?
Are they the same people?!
Meanwhile, I’ve been doing my bit for the thread, looking through photos in 2 counselling directories (in the Lancaster area) for someone who may or may not be called Julie but looks like the Thames Path walker - BUT haven’t found a clear match.

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 17:15

ShrinkWrappedInSeattle · 16/08/2025 17:09

To me they look really different in this (Iceland) photo….?
Are they the same people?!
Meanwhile, I’ve been doing my bit for the thread, looking through photos in 2 counselling directories (in the Lancaster area) for someone who may or may not be called Julie but looks like the Thames Path walker - BUT haven’t found a clear match.

They are 5 years older but difficult to say with the sunglasses.

Thread 15: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Thread 15: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
onlyinitforthefudge · 16/08/2025 17:18

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 16:46

Seems crazy but you can actually buy tortoise leads on Amazon , so I guess some people do walk their tortoises!

Ebamaz Leather Harness Strap for Tortoise Turtle Leash Pet Walking Lead Control Rope Chest Collar (M) : Amazon.co.uk: Pet Supplies

Guilty as charged😁 he has to go in a run as he is an escape artist and my garden isn't tortoise proof. He does get frustrated being contained so sometimes I put his harness on and let him have a run round the green in front of the house. It's his 75th birthday this year 🎂

ShrinkWrappedInSeattle · 16/08/2025 17:18

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 17:15

They are 5 years older but difficult to say with the sunglasses.

Thanks - side by side I can see more similarities and thanks too for the reminder that there’s 5 years difference!

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 17:20

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 17:15

They are 5 years older but difficult to say with the sunglasses.

Julie's mouth looks a bit different. Hmmm.

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 17:41

onlyinitforthefudge · 16/08/2025 17:18

Guilty as charged😁 he has to go in a run as he is an escape artist and my garden isn't tortoise proof. He does get frustrated being contained so sometimes I put his harness on and let him have a run round the green in front of the house. It's his 75th birthday this year 🎂

I think we need to appoint somebody as tortoise special agent/007 with immediate effect....

Licence to track down tortoise walkers past and present in the Polperro area.

Guilty confession - I did try and access the Polperro community FB page in search of the elusive tortoise walker, but my innocent inquiry was torpedoed by an overzealous admin on the grounds of privacy concerns!

FurryHappyKittens · 16/08/2025 17:50

I did my bit for the cause this morning in my local Waterstones. All three books displayed on the travel table. All three hidden. 🙂

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 17:57

FurryHappyKittens · 16/08/2025 17:50

I did my bit for the cause this morning in my local Waterstones. All three books displayed on the travel table. All three hidden. 🙂

You should have gone one step further like Martin Hemmings' daughter, and written a precis of these 15 MN threads in the fly leaf!

FurryHappyKittens · 16/08/2025 18:00

😂

I was tempted to move them to crime as it was next to travel, but it was very quiet so I'd have been quite noticeable.

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 18:05

FurryHappyKittens · 16/08/2025 18:00

😂

I was tempted to move them to crime as it was next to travel, but it was very quiet so I'd have been quite noticeable.

There is a book to be written about the WalkerWinns along the lines of Michael Crick's biography of Jeffrey Archer ( still churning out bestsellers..) entitled 'Truth is Stranger than Fiction'

GogleddCymru · 16/08/2025 18:05

Hello all, I've been away from these pages for a while as Real Life got a bit busy. Sorry if I'm interrupting anything but I wanted to contribute a few thoughts.

In light of all the revelations, I felt moved to re-read TSP with an eye to all the inconsistencies, etc. I'd read it shortly after it first came out, and can only recall how irritated I'd felt with them for setting off on their walk so unprepared, and for forgetting his medication (and how the twee name Moth really ground my gears, but that's more a me issue). I don't think I finished it - unheard of for me. Problem was, I couldn't find my copy. I was just on the verge of thinking I must have borrowed it from a friend and then returned it, when I found it lurking deep within my aged Kindle downloads.

Readers, it was a struggle. The over-embellished, flowery/ sentimental/ melodramatic language, the self-absorption, the repetition of ideas (oh no we're so old/ people are appalled we're homeless and shrink from us/ time for more noodles, pasties and fudge!/ other people are always so shit), the incessant grumbling, the frankly unbelievable trippy episodes (tortoise on a lead/ Grant/ blind yoga man), and the clunky dialogue exchanges (including the buttock-clenchingly horrible attempts at reproducing regional accents - just no, Sally) combined with the generally apropos-of-nothing chunks clearly lifted wholesale from other sources re homelessness, local and natural history etc (clearly lifted because of the distinct and abrupt changes of voice) - yeah. Bleurgh. Struggle. How it sold so many copies and gained so many staunch defenders is a total mystery to me. I mean, I get different tastes, subjectivity and all that, but even so ...

However (dun dun duuuun...) - I've since been reading the excellent 500 Mile Walkies to cleanse my palate, and am pretty convinced - nay, 100% convinced - that Our Sal also nicked wholesale bits out of that too. I don't want to say exactly what as yet as plagiarism is quite a serious thing (or maybe I'm still traumatised from my student days), but I wonder if anyone else has had the same thoughts? If so maybe plagiarism might be the next angle for CH to consider...

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