Uk is in big trouble - what do you think will happen?

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Thames water on brink of collapse. All those CEOs getting fat bonuses. Water shortages and rising bills.

the cost of living is off the chart. Every bill has gone up. Pop in to Tesco for toothpaste, butter and chicken and it costs an insane amount for just a few items.

the government are crap and taxing the hell out of us.

my salary is stuck. I feel constantly poor now. 10 years ago when I earned significantly less, I felt ok money wise. Chatted today to a colleague about science graduate son who is stuck doing a minimum wage job as there are no jobs here. I’ve noticed this myself in my town. The council have a few, other companies outsourced to India years ago, the pharma company moved out years ago and the land will soon be a new housing estate.

the nhs is a total mess.

housing costs make me want to weep! No chance of moving. Feel bad for my kids. They just keep building expensive houses here all packed into poorly designed estates. Tiny gardens. But no infrastructure. The promised schools get cancelled and drs surgeries and hospitals are rammed with patients. My mortgage of course is up.

in my industry… everyone is obsessed with AI and I’m sad to say it has taken some jobs already. There is a huge push towards AI.

there seems to be underlying tension here re migrants. People getting increasingly annoyed.

this country feels like a right mess. Making rich people richer and poor people even poorer. The middle earners are getting squeezed. I hate it.

i don’t remember it being this bad ever before.

why is it so terrible? And what do you think will happen?

I’d agree with that. All he really actually needed to do was follow most of Corbyn’s economic-social policy - just without being Corbyn. IE, the controversial Jewish stuff, the terrorist supporter jibes, the unprofessional scruffy student look, being too anti military. He’s tried to be too clever, trying to appeal to the New Labour floating voters that hardly exist anymore. He only won the election because people wanted the Tories out.

I do agree that Labour is playing a funny game. It’s difficult to work out what, if any, political principles Starmer is guided by.

My assessment - and I’ll acknowledge straightaway that this is disparaging and open to objection - is that Starmer is guided by his own vanity and ambition and nothing else.

All PMs have vanity and ambition to a certain degree, tbf, otherwise they wouldn't have made it to PM.

I am reserving final judgement on Starmer for a couple of years.

So all the anti-Tory stuff was OK but not anti-Labour stuff?
At least we've moved from "Tory bots" which was the accusation flung out prior, during and immediately after the election.

Tbf, most females in the 60s/70s weren’t “employed” by their husbands/fathers.
I very much doubt that the majority of women working in mills/factories/retail/typing pools/schools/airlibes, etc., experienced the same degree of autonomy as your average farmers wife.

Maybe those who think this did the former so it’s harder to see, they notice the anti Labour stuff as it’s their party.

Really most people are just not happy with how it’s going and expressing that online.

Well, yes. Anyone who believes that they ought to be in charge of the nation really shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near number 10.
Our grandson, just turned 5, recently told us that he was going to be “a king” when he grew up. Sent shivers down the spines. Thankfully he didn’t add “of the world”, so there’s time to turn it around. “A” and not “the” also gave us hope!
Tbf, he’s quite into Arthur and his round table atm and we suspect he just likes horses and lances. But we’ll be keeping a close eye 😁

Terrifying! Both the videos you posted. Though I can’t help but be impressed at the achievement of that robot moving so fluidly and fast!

I just read Careless People by Sarah Wynne Williams, ex Facebook director of Global Public Policy. Social Media is very squarely focused on political advertising these days. If you look at too much social media, you will be as miserable as they tell you to be. That's how politics works these days.

Will you suddenly undergo a transformation to a card carrying socialist in your old age when you need care and feel entitled to a pension though?

I'm talking about MN specifically. Lots of anti-Tory posts which were "fine" and no accusation of dark funding etc. Any anti-Labour rhetoric is funded by dark forces???

I completely agree with you. I don't lecture to sixth formers but do attempt to impart this flexibility of mind to my kids but you know how much children listen to their parents, some are better than others.

Obviously the official stats don't confirm this. There are alternative places online that calculate things differently. I am happy to send you links if you did want to PM me. Some of it is also my own observations as someone who works with the general public and is interested in these things.

I wonder if it's outside agitators, Russia, Iran, China infiltrating and trying to destabilise the UK alongside the outages,cyber attacks on UK companies,NHS etc.

Are you really unaware of people not within that description in the post you’re replying to?

What rather than UK citizens not liking the government and publicly saying so?

Get the tin foil hats out ......

It was all OK when everyone was slagging Tories off though wasn't it? Now it's Labour being torn apart you can't just accept that it's cos 80+% of population don't like them, it must be Russian/foreign interference?!

I don’t suppose she/he is but it’s really not that unlikely these days, is it? It’s a tactic that worked very well for Putin during the US elections, so why not expand it? Throw in AI and it can be pretty difficult to distinguish.

It's partly coming from Farage. He's telling people that the UK is lawless, the fabric of society is breaking down, it's full of immigrants, we're bankrupt and he's the hero that's going to save us.

Quite. Although I think Labour themselves have fallen into the trap of thinking people can’t dislike them as much as they do.

Funny though how the accusations of being a Russian bot etc though only gets thrown out to those opposing Labour .....

I'm replying to the doom and gloom posts that are all over SM plus all the were being invaded etc.
When we're clearly not.

When the reality is that they are more unpopular than they could ever imagine

It’s typical Labour they must be bots stuff, in a way the GE will be more of a surprise if they carry on thinking it’s all fine for them. So keep going I guess.

The extreme right have been using that tactic for decades.
I looked at some National Front/BNP newspaper headlines from their newspapers, leaflets..it's not a million miles away from the rhetoric that Reform use.

Do you think they spend all their time being "surprised"? The leadership certainly seem to spend a lot of time being surprised.