Daughter and son in law vaping around baby

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In the same rooms. No windows open.
Heavy vapers and grandchild is coughing a little but more recently I’m noticing she has a hoarse voice.
They won’t believe it’s the vape.
Think she has picked something up from nursery.
Concerned but they won’t listen.

There is absolutely no way they should be vaping around a baby or small child, infact any child.
Increased risk of bronchitis.
Full of harmful chemicals and toxins.

Could you maybe show them this:

How to protect children from second-hand smoke, third-hand smoke and vapour
The most important way to protect your child from second-hand smoke, third-hand smoke and vapour is to quit smoking or vaping and to support other adults in your child’s life to quit.

This reduces your child’s exposure to second-hand smoke, third-hand smoke and vapour. It also gives your child positive non-smoking and non-vaping role models.

If you’re not quite ready to quit, or if someone else in your home smokes or vapes, there are still things you can do to reduce your child’s exposure to the smoke or vapour.

One of the most important things is to make sure no-one smokes or vapes near your child in your house. This means you’ll have to smoke or vape away from your child, and you’ll need to ask other family members, friends, carers and visitors to do the same. Also make sure no-one ever smokes or vapes in an enclosed area near your child.

You might need to explain to friends and family that simply blowing smoke or vapour away from your child doesn’t protect your child from the harmful effects of smoke or vapour. You could say that you want to keep your child healthy by minimising their exposure to smoke or vapour.

When visiting friends or leaving children in someone else’s care, try to make sure the environment is free of smoke and vapour.

I found it simply by Googling, how does vaping affect young children around me.

You've raised your concerns and they're not interested in listening to them or addressing the issue, there's not much else you can do now. I agree it's fairly crap for the child who has no choice in the matter but if you push it too hard then you might find yourself pushed out. As difficult as it is, you've got to leave them to their own decisions.

They plan to take her to dr soon for an asthma check as both parents used to have asthma. Still the denial of vaping.
Hard to understand.

Unfortunately their love of vapes may outweigh their love for their child. My mother chain smoked even with 3 asthmatic children who were on occasion hospitalised.

She will still smoke around us now. I can never get my head around it.

At least they are planning to take her to the doctor. Hopefully they are honest about the fact that they're vaping around her.

Any chance you can let their doctor know they vape around the vulnerable baby? Obviously, selfish arseholes like this will lie about it, and it is a VERY important piece of medical advice. Blowing poison into a child's lungs should be illegal, so yes it is perfectly ethical to step in to try to help the baby. Do it anonymously, if you can and lie to their faces if they ask if it was you.

Yes my parents heavily smoked throughout my childhood. My mum even joked that smoking helped by guaranteeing you smaller babies.

Absolutely this. Putting themselves before their child.

Sadly it doesn't meet safeguarding thresholds so there is little you can enforce.

I’m assuming you tried to talk to them. You could sent evidence based articles on the dangers.
or ring hv and explain your concerns they may do a visit (depending on how busy they are)

100000% is the vape aka breathing chemicals

Thank you for you’re replies.
I have been advised to contact health visitor but know they would continue.
it is very hard to understand how they talk about being so protective of their daughter how she is their world etc etc yet exposing her to what they exhale.
she has been to doctor before with raspy chest but they didn’t mention vaping.
deep down they both know it’s not good for any of them but for some reason in their selfish minds they continue.
a relative smokes cigarettes and their daughter is not to go in his house. They are very firm about that.

You must report this. Let their doctor know, if necessary let social services know. Do it anonymously and lie lie lie when they accuse you. You will be doing the right thing. You must try to protect this baby from them blowing poison into its lungs.

Don’t tip toe around the issue. This is your granddaughters health we’re talking about.

Tell them point blank what they’re doing is wrong and is damaging her.

Send them links to proper sites with all the info about it.

Sit down with them and put on videos about what damage it does to an individual and then ask them what they think they’re doing?

No good will come of reporting to social services. It’s not a safeguarding issue for otherwise well cared for children.

I had a certain amount of sympathy for my mother - she’s clearly addicted and we were far from the only children in the 70s and 80s whose parents smoked. I could just never understand how she could watch us go to hospital or on nebulisers and not then have the will to stop.

Social services really won’t be able to do anything about this. It doesn’t meet any threshold for intervention.

She needs to report it to anyone who will listen. Doing nothing changes nothing.

What a load of nonsense, who do you suggest she reports it to??? The will NOT be interested

I’ve been in a position where I’ve reported drug use around young children (reports to just about every service I could think of, including police) I agree doing nothing isn’t an option either. It’s just so frustrating how low the bar seems to be, on what is considered acceptable parenting with no intervention deemed necessary! I absolutely hate vaping, although I do believe that some people genuinely think there is no harm caused to others if you vape around them! Think a lot more educating is needed around vaping 😕

It makes no sense to us does it how parents can watch their child go to hospital knowing their addiction has caused their child to become unwell?

But I am aware there are worries going on which is why they seem to be clinging to their vapes.

Granddaughter is well cared for otherwise.

So stupid why risk it in the first place.

I meant to add to my comment, that even my reports around drug use, didn’t change anything. I was (and still am) quite shocked. I can’t imagine anything coming of reporting vaping. However, the OP could certainly continue to try and educate the harmful effects of second hand vaping, offer to help the parents quit if they are open to trying or at the very least vape outside! OP can help to educate, but if the parents don’t want to listen then i’m not sure what else they can realistically do.

Absolutely.

They seem to convince themselves that it’s much better than smoking so that it’s okay.

Deep down they know it’s not but there are worries on their minds which are ongoing and this seems to be an outlet.

I will have another chat with them.
Aside from this they are great with baby.

And nobody is asking her to give up her choice of addiction, just to stop blowing poison into her baby's lungs. It's a bare minimum request, go in another room or outside and don't blow poison into a baby's lungs. If they are not capable of that much care I would be very very concerned about their overall ability to properly parent. Poor little baby.

would they at least do it outside?