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To wonder how the UK will look in 3 years time?

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Labradorlover987 · 11/08/2025 13:19

I was inspired to write this after reading the UC post that was just reported - the govt’s welfare bill has passed but was watered down so unlikely to make any real savings.

I earn 40k, have a school age child and just feel like I am living hand to mouth 😩 I 100% think there should be a welfare systems that supports people on low incomes but I wonder how the current system will be sustained in the long run?

Just wondered what other people thought.

I actually wouldn’t mind paying more in taxes if we could be guaranteed more in services etc - for example my council tax just went up and the services seem even worse this year than usual.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2025 19:20

MyNameIsX · 13/08/2025 19:02

’All will be well’

Why do you say that? Because, Labour are in government?

No. Because it’s generally turned out that way in our life in the UK. My husband and I, 66 and 61, respectively, have both moved on from life-threatening illnesses, him 3 times.

Obviously, life in the UK is far from ideal for the majority. Comparing that life to the far more challenging circumstances faced by billions less fortunate around the world every day: yes, all will be well.

Likewise, I expect it would be under Conservative, LibDem, Reform, Green, Monster Raving Loony governments because this is the UK. Perspective.

Could it be better? Hell yes. Could be one hell of a sight worse, though.

MumOfManyAliases · 13/08/2025 19:20

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2025 19:00

Your daughters already have enormous life advantages, being born in the UK to parents who care about their futures.

All will be well.

Yes, it will indeed - come the next election, when Labour get voted out of government.

Bathingforest · 13/08/2025 19:27

Chiseltip · 12/08/2025 08:45

Three years from now?

A lot worse I think. By then there will have been a major shift in the job market. A.I will have displaced a large number of roles, the "economically inactive" rates will be significantly higher. Current Uni students will be graduating into longterm unemployment.

Uncontrolled mass immigration into the EU and subsequently into the UK, will change the demographic of the country. By 2030, if rates remain unchanged, we will have added over a million (mostly young males) to the population. If we dont provide meaningful employment for this unprecedented number of immigrants, the alternative is a million pissed off young men, who have no allegiance to the UK, and no desire to integrate. It would be catastrophic to allow that situation to develop. Regardless of what you think about illegall immigration, it is happening, it will continue to happen, and the numbers I have mentioned are the best case scenario.

We will see the beginnings of a CBDC by then, that, coupled with the new "Digital wallet" that the government has introduced, and the linking of your National Insurance to your bank account, will kill off any notion of privacy or autonomy. The government will own you at that point. There will be the introduction of "climate credits", a digital system of control measures, designed to "encourage" compliance with an ever more reductive set of environmental rules. For example, your bank card will be blocked from certain transactions, like flying, or buying more than your allocated amount of red meat or alcohol, even geographical restrictions will be put in place, so your cards won't work outside your curfew area. Anyone speaking out will be accused of hate speech and arrested. This is currently being done with critics of certain religious practices and those who oppose the housing of illegally immigrants. So it absolutely will be done to anyone speaking up about environmental restrictions.

We will all be significant poorer, with millions dependent on a government which will want something back for the "support" it will have to provide. The unemployment rate will be such that UBI will probably have to be introduced. A handful of huge tech companies will be responsible for controlling the majority of industry, and consequently, the tax revenue. Impartiality will be a thing of the past, government will do whatever those companies say, because without them, there won't be any functioning economy. Imagine how little autonomy or influence you will have when you are unemployed, dependent on UBI, to a government that is beholden to a few tech companies, and if you complain about any of it, you get accused of Hate Crime. Welcome to the future.

And don't think it will never happen, Covid demonstrated how quickly people turned on their neighbours, reporting breaches of "the rules". When we are bombarded by media stating the "new rules" and how its "all for the good of the environment", people will turn each other remarkably quickly. Especially if their UBI was dependent on it.

"Are your neighbours or friends breaking their curfew?"

"Every time a citizen breaks the law, they are contributing to CLIMATE CHANGE and HABITAT DESTRUCTION"

"They are stealing your child's future"

Three years from now, the above rethoric will be common place. We are heading into a very dark period.

Edited

Interesting comment the least. 1984

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2025 19:27

Julen7 · 13/08/2025 19:05

This is very patronising (sure it wasn’t meant to be but…)

No it isn’t.

Julen7 · 13/08/2025 19:29

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2025 19:27

No it isn’t.

Matter of opinion.

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2025 19:30

Indeed. All any of us can do is to speak from experience. Being born/living in the UK is obviously an enormous advantage.

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2025 19:31

Not sure why it’s patronising, pointing g that out?

MyNameIsX · 13/08/2025 19:34

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2025 19:09

My apologies: that should have been directed to Oatcat.

I’m very settled, knitting and wine, waiting for my goats’ cheese Caesar 🤣 just irritated by the number of these threads recently, generally posted by new “contributors”.

Sorry, again.

No problem.

Bon app.

Alexandra2001 · 13/08/2025 19:34

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Julen7 · 13/08/2025 19:36

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2025 19:31

Not sure why it’s patronising, pointing g that out?

“All will be well” in itself might be construed as patronising. However if you don’t think so, crack on.

YourTruthorMine · 13/08/2025 19:38

cumbriaisbest · 13/08/2025 19:14

Charlie the rip off racist?

Exactly, just because one sociopath manages to claw their way to the top, doesn't mean it's an everyday occurrence, I bet the actual percentage is minuscule

Bathingforest · 13/08/2025 19:40

Sskka · 12/08/2025 09:28

Shhhh, we don’t say that bit out loud.

Bru, I winder how your comments weren't deleted...not much PC lol

MyNameIsX · 13/08/2025 19:42

Going back to the thread title.

I think November’s budget may well deliver the coup de grace for this government. Reeves is clearly caught between a rock, and something much harder, and it’s difficult to see how she will survive.

The rest of us will meanwhile need to steel ourselves for the inevitable theft.

The sooner that this utter miserable shower of a government are out the better.
As to who should replace them, I would happily vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party…

suburburban · 13/08/2025 19:49

MyNameIsX · 13/08/2025 19:42

Going back to the thread title.

I think November’s budget may well deliver the coup de grace for this government. Reeves is clearly caught between a rock, and something much harder, and it’s difficult to see how she will survive.

The rest of us will meanwhile need to steel ourselves for the inevitable theft.

The sooner that this utter miserable shower of a government are out the better.
As to who should replace them, I would happily vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party…

Yes she’s like a thief

KitTea3 · 13/08/2025 19:50

MidnightPatrol · 13/08/2025 13:39

The number of people claiming both in and out of work benefits continues to defy expectation in terms of growth.

More people claiming both every year, and they are claiming a wider range of support.

Pretending it’s all fine and just needs to be met by the UK, is the ‘head in the sand’ approach.

I'm guessing that's why the government are now looking into the rising number of over 50s claiming UC and PIP and considering changes to fit notes to encourage them back to work

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/over-50s-employment-fit-notes-csj-midlife-mission-report/

BIossomtoes · 13/08/2025 20:02

YourTruthorMine · 13/08/2025 19:38

Exactly, just because one sociopath manages to claw their way to the top, doesn't mean it's an everyday occurrence, I bet the actual percentage is minuscule

Didn’t he tweet that someone should kill the Mayor of London? Definitely a folk hero with ethics to aspire to.

MyNameIsX · 13/08/2025 20:04

BIossomtoes · 13/08/2025 20:02

Didn’t he tweet that someone should kill the Mayor of London? Definitely a folk hero with ethics to aspire to.

Unacceptable, if accurate.

As an aside, I use a lot of London black cabs and not one of the drivers has ever said anything positive about Mr Khan.

Their language is what one might term ‘choice’.

nearlylovemyusername · 13/08/2025 20:06

Chiseltip · 12/08/2025 08:45

Three years from now?

A lot worse I think. By then there will have been a major shift in the job market. A.I will have displaced a large number of roles, the "economically inactive" rates will be significantly higher. Current Uni students will be graduating into longterm unemployment.

Uncontrolled mass immigration into the EU and subsequently into the UK, will change the demographic of the country. By 2030, if rates remain unchanged, we will have added over a million (mostly young males) to the population. If we dont provide meaningful employment for this unprecedented number of immigrants, the alternative is a million pissed off young men, who have no allegiance to the UK, and no desire to integrate. It would be catastrophic to allow that situation to develop. Regardless of what you think about illegall immigration, it is happening, it will continue to happen, and the numbers I have mentioned are the best case scenario.

We will see the beginnings of a CBDC by then, that, coupled with the new "Digital wallet" that the government has introduced, and the linking of your National Insurance to your bank account, will kill off any notion of privacy or autonomy. The government will own you at that point. There will be the introduction of "climate credits", a digital system of control measures, designed to "encourage" compliance with an ever more reductive set of environmental rules. For example, your bank card will be blocked from certain transactions, like flying, or buying more than your allocated amount of red meat or alcohol, even geographical restrictions will be put in place, so your cards won't work outside your curfew area. Anyone speaking out will be accused of hate speech and arrested. This is currently being done with critics of certain religious practices and those who oppose the housing of illegally immigrants. So it absolutely will be done to anyone speaking up about environmental restrictions.

We will all be significant poorer, with millions dependent on a government which will want something back for the "support" it will have to provide. The unemployment rate will be such that UBI will probably have to be introduced. A handful of huge tech companies will be responsible for controlling the majority of industry, and consequently, the tax revenue. Impartiality will be a thing of the past, government will do whatever those companies say, because without them, there won't be any functioning economy. Imagine how little autonomy or influence you will have when you are unemployed, dependent on UBI, to a government that is beholden to a few tech companies, and if you complain about any of it, you get accused of Hate Crime. Welcome to the future.

And don't think it will never happen, Covid demonstrated how quickly people turned on their neighbours, reporting breaches of "the rules". When we are bombarded by media stating the "new rules" and how its "all for the good of the environment", people will turn each other remarkably quickly. Especially if their UBI was dependent on it.

"Are your neighbours or friends breaking their curfew?"

"Every time a citizen breaks the law, they are contributing to CLIMATE CHANGE and HABITAT DESTRUCTION"

"They are stealing your child's future"

Three years from now, the above rethoric will be common place. We are heading into a very dark period.

Edited

I have no idea how I missed this post. But this is by far the best one.

And I agree with every word. Possibly not 3 years, but 5 for sure.

Look at what's going on -
JD Vance has met Jenrick on Cotswolds visit but not expected to see Badenoch | JD Vance | The Guardian
Sunday at the garden party for Curtis Yarvin and the new, new right

What all this scam are doing in our country???

It's terrifying.

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2025 20:08

Julen7 · 13/08/2025 19:36

“All will be well” in itself might be construed as patronising. However if you don’t think so, crack on.

And crack on isn’t?

No. I don’t perceive “all will be well” in any way, shape or form patronising.

nearlylovemyusername · 13/08/2025 20:09

BIossomtoes · 13/08/2025 20:02

Didn’t he tweet that someone should kill the Mayor of London? Definitely a folk hero with ethics to aspire to.

We are not discussing ethics.
We are discussing if someone from underprivileged or just ordinary background can make it big.
The answer is Yes, absolutely.
Would Allan Sugar be a better example?

BIossomtoes · 13/08/2025 20:10

MyNameIsX · 13/08/2025 20:04

Unacceptable, if accurate.

As an aside, I use a lot of London black cabs and not one of the drivers has ever said anything positive about Mr Khan.

Their language is what one might term ‘choice’.

Edited

Well London cabbies have always been well known for their considered and nuanced political views.

MyNameIsX · 13/08/2025 20:14

BIossomtoes · 13/08/2025 20:10

Well London cabbies have always been well known for their considered and nuanced political views.

I find their honesty refreshing.

BIossomtoes · 13/08/2025 20:18

I find their Neanderthal views and insistence on airing them tedious.

Julen7 · 13/08/2025 20:20

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2025 20:08

And crack on isn’t?

No. I don’t perceive “all will be well” in any way, shape or form patronising.

Well. It kind of assumes you have superior knowledge to the poster, and that your perspective is the right one. Kind of thing I might say to my kids (although I wouldn’t as it’s not a phrase I use) but only the one under 10. Not to a stranger on the internet. Best way I can explain it and won’t be commenting further.

MyNameIsX · 13/08/2025 20:41

BIossomtoes · 13/08/2025 20:18

I find their Neanderthal views and insistence on airing them tedious.

Well, ignore them at your peril.

There is clearly very real anger out there - anger and frustration at the way Starmer is running this country into the ground.

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