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Thread 14: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/08/2025 23:11

The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The 13 Observer items currently available on their online 'The real Salt Path' page: The real Salt Path | The Observer

3 more from The Observer:

‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...

The real Salt Path | The Observer (The Slow Newscast)

‘We thought: it can’t be the Salt Path couple – they’d ha...

Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement: Raynor Winn

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Threads 2-11: Links all in the OP of Thread 12

Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5384574-thread-12-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

Thread 13: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5386458-thread-13-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse welcome. It would be helpful to read at least some of the Observer items above before posting. There are currently 16 interesting items on The Observer website and linked to above.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for thirteen very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

Are we all becoming Hyperglycaemic from all the fudge?
Have shares in Cadbury's gone up?
Can we remain cheerful in the face of such shameless glumwashing?
Will I need to fill up with much petrol this thread for the drive-by scoldings?
Will our Chloe H get exclusive interviews with the disgruntled peregrine, tortoise and Hollywood rabbits?
What has our Simon A got to say about this, preferably in verse?

Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge be with you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 11/08/2025 10:18

Catwith69lives · 11/08/2025 10:13

Well it could make sense: a) they couldn't afford to buy it at £10m b) if they have £2mn in the bank @4% they are getting income of £80k pa. Let's say they are spending £3k pcm on rent (£36k pa) they are still not touching their capital and enjoying the lifestyle while the owner is responsible for the upkeep of the house. And of course they can move out and go elsewhere, should circumstances dictate....

Edited

But surely it would make more financial sense to move to somewhere small and isolated that they own outright instead? A croft somewhere on a Scottish island, out of the way, where they can do their own thing in nature as much as they want? They should have plenty for the upkeep. Rather than frittering away on renting somewhere far too big and flash, and Cornwall is hardly the back of beyond, is it? They can't exactly be dancing naked in the rain, or whatever Tim's vision of being at one with the world is, when they're in a crowded tourist hotspot.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/08/2025 10:18

Hyenana · 11/08/2025 09:12

She has repeatedly described it as a 'routine appointment' in interviews, but that is not how she describes it in TSP:

We were in a consultant’s room in a hospital in Liverpool. Finally, we would have the results of years of medical procrastination and we’d know the cause of Moth’s shoulder pain. After a life of physical work he’d been told by one doctor: ‘Pain is normal, you should expect to suffer when you raise your arms and stumble a bit when you walk.’ Others had raised questions about a slight tremor in his hand and numbness in his face. But this doctor was the top dog, head of his field, the real deal. He was going to tell us that it was ligament damage or something similar and how it could be fixed; that it had happened when Moth fell through the barn roof years ago – maybe there’d been a hairline fracture. He was certainly going to tell us how it could be put right. He would sit authoritatively behind his desk and tell us this. Without a doubt.
We’d barely spoken during the long drive to Liverpool, each of us in our own mire of shock and exhaustion. The days since the court case were a blur of packing boxes and bonfires, endless fraught phone calls and despair. The realization had dawned that we had nowhere to go. The worst thing that could possibly happen had happened. This seven-hour round trip was something we didn’t need. Every hour was precious, every hour to finish packing, every hour to still be held safe within those walls.

I wondered on why the accounts differ so much, and I think it depends on the type of presentation:
In a short interview statement, the emotional impact of the diagnosis is more visceral when it comes completely out of the blue, therefore the 'routine appointment'.

But in the book version, it ties in with the backstory of years of pain, unexplained symptoms and clueless/unempathic doctors. And then they meet the top dog, real deal - the diagnosis is given by the highest authority, it is as sure as it can be.
It also explains why they go to the doctor at all - if they have only a few days for packing and finding new accomodation, wouldn't they just postpone a 'routine appointment'? It has to be something really important for them to be undertaking it at the time.

Interesting that she publicly contradicts her own writing like that, but somehow no interviewer has ever called her out for it.

Almost every outpatient appointment is a 'routine appointment' which will have been arranged weeks or months in advance. An urgent appointment would be something like a 2-week wait for suspected cancer while an emergency appointment would be something like an eye injury that needs to be seen next day.

Uricon2 · 11/08/2025 10:23

Catwith69lives · 11/08/2025 10:13

Well it could make sense: a) they couldn't afford to buy it at £10m b) if they have £2mn in the bank @4% they are getting income of £80k pa. Let's say they are spending £3k pcm on rent (£36k pa) they are still not touching their capital and enjoying the lifestyle while the owner is responsible for the upkeep of the house. And of course they can move out and go elsewhere, should circumstances dictate....

Edited

That does make sense but still demonstrates champagne tastes on a (very nice beer) income IMO

Uricon2 · 11/08/2025 10:30

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 11/08/2025 10:17

The archive link doesn't show the comments and there appear to be over 100. Does anyone have access to the original and can say if they are for or against in general?

Just had a quick scan, some "who cares good book leave them alone" but majority negative, guesstimate 25%/75% so far.

crossedlines · 11/08/2025 10:32

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 11/08/2025 10:18

But surely it would make more financial sense to move to somewhere small and isolated that they own outright instead? A croft somewhere on a Scottish island, out of the way, where they can do their own thing in nature as much as they want? They should have plenty for the upkeep. Rather than frittering away on renting somewhere far too big and flash, and Cornwall is hardly the back of beyond, is it? They can't exactly be dancing naked in the rain, or whatever Tim's vision of being at one with the world is, when they're in a crowded tourist hotspot.

I now have a vision of Sally and Tim dancing naked in the rain, which can’t be unseen. Thanks! 🤮😂

Featherbeds · 11/08/2025 10:34

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 11/08/2025 10:17

The archive link doesn't show the comments and there appear to be over 100. Does anyone have access to the original and can say if they are for or against in general?

The comments range from ‘Pair of con artists’ to ‘The publishers should sue’ to ‘Just move it to the fiction shelf’ to ‘Why the witch-hunt? Our streets are being overrun with feral immigrants!’ and ‘Pair of Brexiteer Nigel lovers’. And some frothing about left-wing luvvies and how if you name yourself Moth and fill in some forms about rewilding, people will apparently give you enormous sums of money.

One person, in fairness, has pointed out that Beowulf is (a) not a novel and (b) not by Séamus Heaney.

indignantfrother · 11/08/2025 10:37

Perhaps they're actually renting one of the smaller cottages rather than the big estate house?

It's a bit ironic if they're now living in the "big house", given SWs previous unflattering comments about wealthy landowners!

Featherbeds · 11/08/2025 10:39

indignantfrother · 11/08/2025 10:37

Perhaps they're actually renting one of the smaller cottages rather than the big estate house?

It's a bit ironic if they're now living in the "big house", given SWs previous unflattering comments about wealthy landowners!

Possible, I suppose. I’m just surprised that, either way, it looks as if there are other people living and working in very close proximity.

AzureStaffy · 11/08/2025 10:55

Link to a YouTube channel (hope it works) of a couple who live in Cornwall and who walk there and who have suffered similar adversity to that claimed by the WalkerWinns - illness and loss of good income. They discuss TSP and at the end conclude that SalRay's emotions re her dying husband are just not right.

Amidst all the dishonesty and manipulativeness, it's inspiring to see that quite a lot of ordinary readers perceived that something was wrong in this story. I'd much rather read books written by some of them.

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DisappointedReader · 11/08/2025 10:56

exasperatedflatmate · 11/08/2025 10:05

@Peladon a stint on Strictly would demonstrate the miraculous healing ability of dance!

a stint on Strictly would demonstrate the miraculous healing ability of sequins!

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AzureStaffy · 11/08/2025 10:57

AzureStaffy · 11/08/2025 10:55

Link to a YouTube channel (hope it works) of a couple who live in Cornwall and who walk there and who have suffered similar adversity to that claimed by the WalkerWinns - illness and loss of good income. They discuss TSP and at the end conclude that SalRay's emotions re her dying husband are just not right.

Amidst all the dishonesty and manipulativeness, it's inspiring to see that quite a lot of ordinary readers perceived that something was wrong in this story. I'd much rather read books written by some of them.

Oops - channel is called Cornish Walking Trails.

DisappointedReader · 11/08/2025 11:04

crossedlines · 11/08/2025 10:32

I now have a vision of Sally and Tim dancing naked in the rain, which can’t be unseen. Thanks! 🤮😂

I saw a report about a couple of naturist hikers and thought 'at least Raymoth have spared us that'.

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Catwith69lives · 11/08/2025 11:06

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 11/08/2025 10:18

But surely it would make more financial sense to move to somewhere small and isolated that they own outright instead? A croft somewhere on a Scottish island, out of the way, where they can do their own thing in nature as much as they want? They should have plenty for the upkeep. Rather than frittering away on renting somewhere far too big and flash, and Cornwall is hardly the back of beyond, is it? They can't exactly be dancing naked in the rain, or whatever Tim's vision of being at one with the world is, when they're in a crowded tourist hotspot.

Their children are in Cornwall so I'm not sure it would make sense to move somewhere really remote. TW has cardiac issues as well as possible other health issues, so maybe they would be better off staying put and waiting for everything to blow over.

AzureStaffy · 11/08/2025 11:12

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 11/08/2025 10:17

The archive link doesn't show the comments and there appear to be over 100. Does anyone have access to the original and can say if they are for or against in general?

It's usually possible to read the comments to an article that's behind a pay wall - click on them at the top.

LightofVermeer · 11/08/2025 11:14

Certainly think they will stay together. SW has displayed UAS ( unhealthy Adoration Syndrome) plus Moth's apparently hapless past means that he will need her money. But I do think whilst his illness has been hugely misrepresented that there is something wrong and he will need her as carer.

DisappointedReader · 11/08/2025 11:17

If what I'm seeing in the photos in the DM archive is recent and correct, it looks like the swimming pool has been given the same level of TLC by Raymoth as Bill Cole's cider orchard. Perhaps the swimming pool has been rewilded too?

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Hyenana · 11/08/2025 11:19

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/08/2025 10:18

Almost every outpatient appointment is a 'routine appointment' which will have been arranged weeks or months in advance. An urgent appointment would be something like a 2-week wait for suspected cancer while an emergency appointment would be something like an eye injury that needs to be seen next day.

What Are The Different Types Of Patient Appointments?
There are various types of patient appointments, each serving a specific purpose:

  • Routine Check-ups: These are regular visits to monitor general health and manage chronic conditions.
  • Follow-up Appointments: Scheduled to review progress after treatment or surgery.
  • Emergency Appointments: For acute or urgent medical issues that need immediate attention.
  • Specialist Referrals: Appointments with specialists for specific conditions that require expert care.
https://nursing-science.com/knowledgebase/what-are-the-different-types-of-patient-appointments

Seeing a head-of-his-field specialist in a hospital hours away hardly sounds like a 'routine appointment' to me - I think @Catwith69lives said something similar.
'Routine' is not mainly about waiting times but purpose of the appointment.

HeroicFailure · 11/08/2025 11:21

DisappointedReader · 11/08/2025 11:17

If what I'm seeing in the photos in the DM archive is recent and correct, it looks like the swimming pool has been given the same level of TLC by Raymoth as Bill Cole's cider orchard. Perhaps the swimming pool has been rewilded too?

Someone in the DM comments asked whether it was a sheep dip.

DisappointedReader · 11/08/2025 11:28

LightofVermeer · 11/08/2025 11:14

Certainly think they will stay together. SW has displayed UAS ( unhealthy Adoration Syndrome) plus Moth's apparently hapless past means that he will need her money. But I do think whilst his illness has been hugely misrepresented that there is something wrong and he will need her as carer.

And yet her reaction to her reports that his health has worsened was to leave him behind and go on - allegedly, if she is to be believed - another walk for her next book On Winter Hill.

After a turbulent year, Raynor Winn embarks on the Coast to Coast Walk in winter, unexpectedly alone. Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth's, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept. Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her. Navigating harsh weather and tangled emotions, Raynor reflects on the mountains they've climbed. Her journey becomes a meditation on our connection to the land and its power to help us remember, rebuild, and reclaim what is lost.*

*Such as £64k?

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PullTheBricksDown · 11/08/2025 11:32

The idea that this appointment was 'routine' is the familiar RW flannel. You aren't referred to a specialist neurological centre for a routine appointment. It was 'routine' in the sense that it was pre-booked and not an emergency. But describing it as 'routine' is another move calculated to make the diagnosis seem like an unexpected bombshell, when, as @Hyenana pointed out, this is contradicted in other sentences from this same section in the book, where they are anticipating and hoping for a diagnosis that will explain his symptoms and put it all right. You can't have it both ways.

PullTheBricksDown · 11/08/2025 11:35

And yet her reaction to her reports that his health has worsened was to leave him behind and go on - allegedly, if she is to be believed - another walk for her next book On Winter Hill.

This also contradicts her statements in TSP that she couldn't get a job because since Moth was dying, every moment was precious and she couldn't spend that limited time away from him. Seems like 12 years of miraculous survival has changed her perspective.

Catwith69lives · 11/08/2025 11:36

Attached is the photo of SW with the famous bulky frying pan/pot. Any thoughts about location of the shot? Also the sleeping bag looks quite bulky (ie not a £5 purchase from Tesco) and what is the yellow thing protruding from her rucksack?

Thread 14: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
PullTheBricksDown · 11/08/2025 11:37

Plus, it was noted on an earlier thread but *drawn north, like a migratory bird is *irritating. I'm as urban as they come and I know birds migrate south in winter. Yet another proofreading fail for Michael Joseph / PRH.

AldoGordo · 11/08/2025 11:41

DisappointedReader · 11/08/2025 11:28

And yet her reaction to her reports that his health has worsened was to leave him behind and go on - allegedly, if she is to be believed - another walk for her next book On Winter Hill.

After a turbulent year, Raynor Winn embarks on the Coast to Coast Walk in winter, unexpectedly alone. Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth's, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept. Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her. Navigating harsh weather and tangled emotions, Raynor reflects on the mountains they've climbed. Her journey becomes a meditation on our connection to the land and its power to help us remember, rebuild, and reclaim what is lost.*

*Such as £64k?

"Like a migratory bird"? Eh? Awful metaphor.. it's not even a metaphor, it's just hijacking nature to make RW seem wholesome and connected to nature.

It's like writing, "I ate some food, like a worm in the soil, etc etc".

Uricon2 · 11/08/2025 11:47

DisappointedReader · 11/08/2025 11:17

If what I'm seeing in the photos in the DM archive is recent and correct, it looks like the swimming pool has been given the same level of TLC by Raymoth as Bill Cole's cider orchard. Perhaps the swimming pool has been rewilded too?

I did wonder if that stagnant tank was in fact the swimming pool but then thought it might be something to do with the farm, like a sheep dip.

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