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Thread 14: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/08/2025 23:11

The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The 13 Observer items currently available on their online 'The real Salt Path' page: The real Salt Path | The Observer

3 more from The Observer:

‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...

The real Salt Path | The Observer (The Slow Newscast)

‘We thought: it can’t be the Salt Path couple – they’d ha...

Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement: Raynor Winn

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Threads 2-11: Links all in the OP of Thread 12

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Thread 13: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5386458-thread-13-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse welcome. It would be helpful to read at least some of the Observer items above before posting. There are currently 16 interesting items on The Observer website and linked to above.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for thirteen very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

Are we all becoming Hyperglycaemic from all the fudge?
Have shares in Cadbury's gone up?
Can we remain cheerful in the face of such shameless glumwashing?
Will I need to fill up with much petrol this thread for the drive-by scoldings?
Will our Chloe H get exclusive interviews with the disgruntled peregrine, tortoise and Hollywood rabbits?
What has our Simon A got to say about this, preferably in verse?

Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge be with you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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AzureStaffy · 10/08/2025 10:04

@AldoGordo

"It would be an extraordinary deception if it were all premeditated. If so, they must have been in disbelief when the Dr started suggesting CBD and then equally astounded becoming successfully published...these are two key things they had very little control over."

SalRay had been writing for a long time though: probably journals, short stories etc so had a lot of material to work with. Some readers are astounded that such an unbelievable, and not very well-written, book was published. I know of doctors taken in by incredible stories although these were psychiatrists which is different.

Some people are pre-meditated in their abnormal behaviour. When I was a ChildLine volunteer, a girl rang in to say that her abusive mother had used chalk on herself to make it look like she was bruised and told others that her daughter had beaten her up. This was a preemptive strike in case the child disclosed in the future making it appear that she was the abuser.

weneedthetruth · 10/08/2025 10:04

I'm getting increasingly uncomfortable about people commenting that Moth now doesn't have an illness at all. Just because he wasn't diagnosed until 2015 doesn't mean they made the whole thing up. Thousands of people have weird and debilitating symptoms for years before a diagnosis or don't even get a diagnosis at all because we still don't know everything about the body.
I am aware that Ray changed the timeline of diagnosis but we’re treading a very fine line here and I thought we agreed not to do this.

AgitatedGoose · 10/08/2025 10:05

SereneLilac · 10/08/2025 09:37

That was my thinking, that they had savings and weren't actually living on £48 a week as they said. The £48 might have been all that was coming in, but I doubt they were surviving on fudge and noodles. They'd both have got very thin, but they look roughly the same size in all the photos as they are now.

Yes they look extremely well nourished in the photo where they met Joanne and David Parson’s. There’s absolutely no way they were surviving on noodles and fudge bars whilst doing a gruelling walk.

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 10:14

weneedthetruth · 10/08/2025 10:04

I'm getting increasingly uncomfortable about people commenting that Moth now doesn't have an illness at all. Just because he wasn't diagnosed until 2015 doesn't mean they made the whole thing up. Thousands of people have weird and debilitating symptoms for years before a diagnosis or don't even get a diagnosis at all because we still don't know everything about the body.
I am aware that Ray changed the timeline of diagnosis but we’re treading a very fine line here and I thought we agreed not to do this.

She changed much more than just the timeline - the first doctor just said it is more similar to CBS than anything else, the second says it seems increasingly unlikely, we should look at other options, and the third who only sees him via video references a prior diagnosis by someone else.
Also, crucially, all the doctors agree on mild, indolent, stable etc - at NO point is there ever a prognosis of steep decline and death as she claimed in all her books, on the contrary.

User14March · 10/08/2025 10:16

AgitatedGoose · 10/08/2025 10:05

Yes they look extremely well nourished in the photo where they met Joanne and David Parson’s. There’s absolutely no way they were surviving on noodles and fudge bars whilst doing a gruelling walk.

I think it’s possible the very fit could if well hydrated for a period of time. Long fasts give you energy to aid survival. Of course there’s a limit though.

crossedlines · 10/08/2025 10:17

weneedthetruth · 10/08/2025 10:04

I'm getting increasingly uncomfortable about people commenting that Moth now doesn't have an illness at all. Just because he wasn't diagnosed until 2015 doesn't mean they made the whole thing up. Thousands of people have weird and debilitating symptoms for years before a diagnosis or don't even get a diagnosis at all because we still don't know everything about the body.
I am aware that Ray changed the timeline of diagnosis but we’re treading a very fine line here and I thought we agreed not to do this.

Has anyone actually said that?

I’ve just seen comments that it isn’t as SW has portrayed in her books and interviews. He may have had weird and debilitating symptoms, but he was still able to apparently do an extremely strenuous walk while surviving on pot noodles and fudge bars. It’s also apparent that he wasn’t given a terminal diagnosis and expected to last just a few months in 2013.

i agree it’s important not to overstep the boundary in discussion and I think @DisappointedReader
has done an amazing job in clarifying that and there has been honest, reasoned discussion.

I feel it’s important that the health issues are discussed, partly because there are people out there who genuinely do have a diagnosis of CBD and it must be awful for them to see what SW has written.

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 10:19

cricketandwhodunnits · 10/08/2025 10:03

Yes that's the one, it was in the review of the papers.

Looks like I missed it...
Was it about yesterday's Observer article?

weneedthetruth · 10/08/2025 10:21

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 10:14

She changed much more than just the timeline - the first doctor just said it is more similar to CBS than anything else, the second says it seems increasingly unlikely, we should look at other options, and the third who only sees him via video references a prior diagnosis by someone else.
Also, crucially, all the doctors agree on mild, indolent, stable etc - at NO point is there ever a prognosis of steep decline and death as she claimed in all her books, on the contrary.

The point is, we do not know what he has or doesn't have and until we do it's really inappropriate to speculate.

AzureStaffy · 10/08/2025 10:23

weneedthetruth · 10/08/2025 10:04

I'm getting increasingly uncomfortable about people commenting that Moth now doesn't have an illness at all. Just because he wasn't diagnosed until 2015 doesn't mean they made the whole thing up. Thousands of people have weird and debilitating symptoms for years before a diagnosis or don't even get a diagnosis at all because we still don't know everything about the body.
I am aware that Ray changed the timeline of diagnosis but we’re treading a very fine line here and I thought we agreed not to do this.

I think I know what you mean but posters are saying symptoms are exaggerated and/or some are due to natural aging. People can indeed have symptoms but no diagnosis. When I was an NHS typist, I recall transcribing that a patient had sickle cell 'traits' which is obviously nowhere near the full blown disease and wasn't terminal. SalRay repeatedly writes that her husband is dying and he said it himself to the cider farm owner.

Featherbeds · 10/08/2025 10:29

AlertCat · 10/08/2025 08:55

Why claim (or mislead) to be doing it for the first time by omission of their 2013 stint?

Because they already knew their book would take the shape it did, and they needed to hide the fact that the walk was broken up into small sections just in case? Like they hid the true reason for the repossession. @azurestaffy is onto something IMO, this was a long-planned operation.

That makes no sense to me, though. They can’t possibly have known TSP was going to be such a runaway success. By far the most likely outcome was that it would sell some copies and fade into obscurity.

Writing a ‘redemption via nature/walking’ memoir isn’t the obvious way to fame and fortune.

It makes no sense to me to see them as Bond villains orchestrating some kind of pre-planned campaign of deception for world domination (while stroking a Persian cat in their Vango and cackling.)

I think SW bodged together things that in reality happened over a period of years (repositioned diagnostic timeline moved up in relation to the eviction, primarily, but also, as seems likely, the walk conducted in bits over a much longer period than presented, including times when they were not even ‘homeless’ in the most technical sense), and I don’t think they were ever as indigent or desperate as is claimed in TSP.

SW had always had writing ambitions, so presumably wrote TSP out of these, was thrilled at the positive reception from agent/s, and that it then sold to a major publisher. I presume the ‘made homeless two days before a terminal diagnosis’ narrative was already in place when she queried agents and it sold to PRH, which is why it sold — excellent elevator pitch.

But its success takes them both by surprise, and they had to deal with way more scrutiny and media attention asking the same questions than they’d ever expected, and SW found herself under pressure to hit the same note in sequels (ill Moth, spousal adoration, nature, walking, lessening in his symptoms). The initial omissions, deceptions and rearrangements for dramatic effect of TSP had by now hardened into a much more elaborate set of lies, and, stupidly, they keep compounding them. Then the film was made, far more people suddenly knew about TSP and their story, and someone with suspicions contacted a journalist who started digging.

MarmiteWine · 10/08/2025 10:31

SereneLilac · 10/08/2025 09:37

That was my thinking, that they had savings and weren't actually living on £48 a week as they said. The £48 might have been all that was coming in, but I doubt they were surviving on fudge and noodles. They'd both have got very thin, but they look roughly the same size in all the photos as they are now.

Agreed. In the Parsons blog they remark at the halfway point "Both lost 7 kilos and we are eating so much!".

weneedthetruth · 10/08/2025 10:31

Featherbeds · 10/08/2025 10:29

That makes no sense to me, though. They can’t possibly have known TSP was going to be such a runaway success. By far the most likely outcome was that it would sell some copies and fade into obscurity.

Writing a ‘redemption via nature/walking’ memoir isn’t the obvious way to fame and fortune.

It makes no sense to me to see them as Bond villains orchestrating some kind of pre-planned campaign of deception for world domination (while stroking a Persian cat in their Vango and cackling.)

I think SW bodged together things that in reality happened over a period of years (repositioned diagnostic timeline moved up in relation to the eviction, primarily, but also, as seems likely, the walk conducted in bits over a much longer period than presented, including times when they were not even ‘homeless’ in the most technical sense), and I don’t think they were ever as indigent or desperate as is claimed in TSP.

SW had always had writing ambitions, so presumably wrote TSP out of these, was thrilled at the positive reception from agent/s, and that it then sold to a major publisher. I presume the ‘made homeless two days before a terminal diagnosis’ narrative was already in place when she queried agents and it sold to PRH, which is why it sold — excellent elevator pitch.

But its success takes them both by surprise, and they had to deal with way more scrutiny and media attention asking the same questions than they’d ever expected, and SW found herself under pressure to hit the same note in sequels (ill Moth, spousal adoration, nature, walking, lessening in his symptoms). The initial omissions, deceptions and rearrangements for dramatic effect of TSP had by now hardened into a much more elaborate set of lies, and, stupidly, they keep compounding them. Then the film was made, far more people suddenly knew about TSP and their story, and someone with suspicions contacted a journalist who started digging.

This makes so much sense.

Frenchsocks · 10/08/2025 10:34

The Observer's Chloe H has written an article
That's ignited a Mum's net thread in a Sal/Ray, salt path debacle.

A tale of deceit the threads were unraveling
Dubious deeds and wild camping imaginings,
Embezzling and fake accounts the evidence of falsehood mounts.

It seems her words were carefully penned
To alter the facts, and the truth to bend,
An exaggeration of illness to elicit out pity
To make us believe she was hard done by but gritty.

Should her books still be published now we see the fiction? presented as truth for our predilection.
A book is a product it's veracity stated,
It's given a title and like a fine dish it's plated.

So complaining is fair when what you are sold
Is tasteless yet salty and definitely old.
For her publisher's surely it's not a good look,
To keep supporting an author caught cooking the books.

Still Sal/Ray has no contrition, she makes it quite clear in the statement she's written.
She's had us confused her subdifuge daring,
Writing a book full of salted red herrings.

But at the end of the day we can have the last laugh and retitle her book, Up The Garden Path.

Tidalisland · 10/08/2025 10:49

The Australian couple did say that Sally and Tim had a very sad story to tell, so there must have been more than just having 'stiff legs'. It can't have been about the homelessness as they didn't tell them that.
I suspect he had symptoms that did not amount to CBD but could be covered by CBS. They may have worried that this could worsen and shorten his life.
The physical symptoms and 'diagnosis' may well have been exaggerated and retrofitted to the 2013 walk.
I, too, do not think he would have been eligible for PIP - it's pretty difficult to get - I think they ask how far you can walk 😁
For me, the worst bit is still the embezzlement of a huge amount of money from a person who trusted them and what that tells you about Salty's character.

indignantfrother · 10/08/2025 10:51

Place marking with a new name! I've been meaning to use this since about thread 3!

(Mauvishagain, medical correspondent, checking in for duty!)

crossedlines · 10/08/2025 10:57

Featherbeds · 10/08/2025 10:29

That makes no sense to me, though. They can’t possibly have known TSP was going to be such a runaway success. By far the most likely outcome was that it would sell some copies and fade into obscurity.

Writing a ‘redemption via nature/walking’ memoir isn’t the obvious way to fame and fortune.

It makes no sense to me to see them as Bond villains orchestrating some kind of pre-planned campaign of deception for world domination (while stroking a Persian cat in their Vango and cackling.)

I think SW bodged together things that in reality happened over a period of years (repositioned diagnostic timeline moved up in relation to the eviction, primarily, but also, as seems likely, the walk conducted in bits over a much longer period than presented, including times when they were not even ‘homeless’ in the most technical sense), and I don’t think they were ever as indigent or desperate as is claimed in TSP.

SW had always had writing ambitions, so presumably wrote TSP out of these, was thrilled at the positive reception from agent/s, and that it then sold to a major publisher. I presume the ‘made homeless two days before a terminal diagnosis’ narrative was already in place when she queried agents and it sold to PRH, which is why it sold — excellent elevator pitch.

But its success takes them both by surprise, and they had to deal with way more scrutiny and media attention asking the same questions than they’d ever expected, and SW found herself under pressure to hit the same note in sequels (ill Moth, spousal adoration, nature, walking, lessening in his symptoms). The initial omissions, deceptions and rearrangements for dramatic effect of TSP had by now hardened into a much more elaborate set of lies, and, stupidly, they keep compounding them. Then the film was made, far more people suddenly knew about TSP and their story, and someone with suspicions contacted a journalist who started digging.

It may have panned out like this or it may have been more calculated - we don’t know. What we do know is that there’s a huge amount of dishonesty.

and while it’s true that writing a ‘redemption via walking’ book isn’t an obvious way to riches, the pair had done some batshit stuff before. I mean, who tries to get out of a financial crisis by raffling their house?!

they’re certainly not Bond villains, I don’t think anyone else has made that analogy. In my mind it could be as simple as bodging things together as they went along. Or it could be more systematic and calculated (I reckon the embezzlement was like that. You don’t steal 64k as a one off spur of the moment thing) Or it could well be a combination of the two scenarios: some scheming about another potential way to get money fast without having to do the daily grind of a job, which then turned into bodging other things together as the lies grew bigger and bigger.

Words · 10/08/2025 11:06

Placemarking

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 11:06

Tidalisland · 10/08/2025 10:49

The Australian couple did say that Sally and Tim had a very sad story to tell, so there must have been more than just having 'stiff legs'. It can't have been about the homelessness as they didn't tell them that.
I suspect he had symptoms that did not amount to CBD but could be covered by CBS. They may have worried that this could worsen and shorten his life.
The physical symptoms and 'diagnosis' may well have been exaggerated and retrofitted to the 2013 walk.
I, too, do not think he would have been eligible for PIP - it's pretty difficult to get - I think they ask how far you can walk 😁
For me, the worst bit is still the embezzlement of a huge amount of money from a person who trusted them and what that tells you about Salty's character.

The sad story could have been anything. I think it's unlikely it is about anything health related, because to me it does not make sense to pick out one minor symptom to mention and hide the rest behind 'a sad story' when you want to say you met someone seriously ill but don't go into the details.

Featherbeds · 10/08/2025 11:08

indignantfrother · 10/08/2025 10:51

Place marking with a new name! I've been meaning to use this since about thread 3!

(Mauvishagain, medical correspondent, checking in for duty!)

Dammit, I should have been ‘Glumwasher’! Also did my scheduled regular NC since last thread.

AldoGordo · 10/08/2025 11:12

AzureStaffy · 10/08/2025 10:04

@AldoGordo

"It would be an extraordinary deception if it were all premeditated. If so, they must have been in disbelief when the Dr started suggesting CBD and then equally astounded becoming successfully published...these are two key things they had very little control over."

SalRay had been writing for a long time though: probably journals, short stories etc so had a lot of material to work with. Some readers are astounded that such an unbelievable, and not very well-written, book was published. I know of doctors taken in by incredible stories although these were psychiatrists which is different.

Some people are pre-meditated in their abnormal behaviour. When I was a ChildLine volunteer, a girl rang in to say that her abusive mother had used chalk on herself to make it look like she was bruised and told others that her daughter had beaten her up. This was a preemptive strike in case the child disclosed in the future making it appear that she was the abuser.

Yes, but what I mean is not even a good first time writer can know they will get published let alone find an agent. So I'm saying if it was their plan they got very lucky it worked as they couldn't control the outcome of either the Dr's diagnosis or the success of the book. IF they planned any of this, i'm inclined to think they did so naively much like the Gangani episode, but got lucky along the way for it to snowball into success. I'm more of the mind that the idea only came after the CBS diagnosis in 2015. TW was about to start uni and RW had time on her hands alone. And we know Raymoth like half truths - their version being she started writing in 2016.

Catwith69lives · 10/08/2025 11:16

AldoGordo · 10/08/2025 11:12

Yes, but what I mean is not even a good first time writer can know they will get published let alone find an agent. So I'm saying if it was their plan they got very lucky it worked as they couldn't control the outcome of either the Dr's diagnosis or the success of the book. IF they planned any of this, i'm inclined to think they did so naively much like the Gangani episode, but got lucky along the way for it to snowball into success. I'm more of the mind that the idea only came after the CBS diagnosis in 2015. TW was about to start uni and RW had time on her hands alone. And we know Raymoth like half truths - their version being she started writing in 2016.

When do you think they reached Polruan and got the offer of a flat from Anna. If TW started in Sept 2015, presumably they applied in 2015 but if so, where were they planning to live?

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 11:19

The Independent has published an article today that is basically a copy of yesterday's Observer, but contains no new information at all (besides saying they contacted SW for information 🙄) It also does not contain any pictures of the Parsons or from their blog.

I fear the general interest is dying, no one except the Observer has really touched the health angle, and the Radio 4 program mentioned earlier by @cricketandwhodunnits seemed to be dismissive of the whole investigation (I missed it unfortunately)
https://archive.ph/3nc9v

PullTheBricksDown · 10/08/2025 11:21

Tidalisland · 10/08/2025 10:49

The Australian couple did say that Sally and Tim had a very sad story to tell, so there must have been more than just having 'stiff legs'. It can't have been about the homelessness as they didn't tell them that.
I suspect he had symptoms that did not amount to CBD but could be covered by CBS. They may have worried that this could worsen and shorten his life.
The physical symptoms and 'diagnosis' may well have been exaggerated and retrofitted to the 2013 walk.
I, too, do not think he would have been eligible for PIP - it's pretty difficult to get - I think they ask how far you can walk 😁
For me, the worst bit is still the embezzlement of a huge amount of money from a person who trusted them and what that tells you about Salty's character.

I don't think you'd get a PIP claim through if you were doing the walking they were, even at the gentler end. Given the variability of symptoms - which as I have said before, absolutely fits with having a chronic long term condition rather than a terminal one - they would know that wouldn't work. In terms of boundaries around discussion, @DisappointedReader had stated that criticism of disability benefits claiming etc was not on and quite rightly so. There's no suggestion the WWs were doing this in any case. The issue of the nature of his condition though is central to the deceptions of the book.

AlertCat · 10/08/2025 11:21

I imagine the truth lies somewhere between all our theories! I still find it very suspicious that moth is the one to go so wildly off script about his symptoms and life expectancy- he seems to bring all the drama and Ray has to clean up, as she’s the one with the public facing role. And I still think he had some influence over the embezzlement, whether pressure on her to earn more or as an active cheerleader.

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