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Thread 14: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/08/2025 23:11

The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The 13 Observer items currently available on their online 'The real Salt Path' page: The real Salt Path | The Observer

3 more from The Observer:

‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...

The real Salt Path | The Observer (The Slow Newscast)

‘We thought: it can’t be the Salt Path couple – they’d ha...

Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement: Raynor Winn

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse welcome. It would be helpful to read at least some of the Observer items above before posting. There are currently 16 interesting items on The Observer website and linked to above.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for thirteen very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

Are we all becoming Hyperglycaemic from all the fudge?
Have shares in Cadbury's gone up?
Can we remain cheerful in the face of such shameless glumwashing?
Will I need to fill up with much petrol this thread for the drive-by scoldings?
Will our Chloe H get exclusive interviews with the disgruntled peregrine, tortoise and Hollywood rabbits?
What has our Simon A got to say about this, preferably in verse?

Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge be with you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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Hyenana · 10/08/2025 21:52

AlertCat · 10/08/2025 21:46

Yes- very good point- I go to a lot of yoga classes and it’s quite rare for even fit and healthy people in this age group to be comfortable in a squat of any shape. Ironically walking is one of the things that makes us lose flexibility in the hips, but both of them in that picture are squatting with ease and in jeans!

Walking makes us loose flexibility? Why is that?

But yes, no hint of stiff legs in that picture anymore...

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 22:02

Tealeaf3 · 10/08/2025 20:52

I think her biggest mistake was her rebuttal statement after the Observer article came out. If she’d shown a bit of humility and fessed up “ yes, it is true that I misappropriated money, and that was the root cause of losing our home. It was a difficult period of my life and I’m utterly ashamed of what I did to the Hemmings family. I apologise to them unreservedly for the hurt and pain I caused.I also apologise to readers of TSP for misrepresenting the cause of the repossession. I did pay back the money owed to the Hemmings and hoped to move on with my life etc etc” she would have got a lot more sympathy. Instead she doubled down, implied it was not her fault and that the company she worked for made the mistakes. Not a good look.

Not sure an apology would have served her better - while the people critical of her would be a bit less angry, it would not have turned them into fans.
But it might have lost her the most dedicated followers, who are still convinced she has done no wrong and has properly explained everything with that statement. There still seem to be an astonishing number of those around.

Tealeaf3 · 10/08/2025 22:04

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 22:02

Not sure an apology would have served her better - while the people critical of her would be a bit less angry, it would not have turned them into fans.
But it might have lost her the most dedicated followers, who are still convinced she has done no wrong and has properly explained everything with that statement. There still seem to be an astonishing number of those around.

They should watch this ( don’t know if it’s been posted before and it’s quite old )? I found it quite interesting.
Never a Truer Word / The Salt Path Scandal: Raynor Winns statement and the hidden truths/ YouTube. Sorry couldn’t get it to link🙄

Cinaferna · 10/08/2025 22:12

SparklyEmeraldShoes · 10/08/2025 19:43

I think this is an interesting question (sorry for quoting the whole post - I can't understand how to edit quotes)

For me as a reader the embezzlement is the fundamental deal-breaker. It undermines the entire story about the loss of a house, the unfortunate investment, eviction, and the reason for the walk. Embezzlement is a nasty crime and in this case particularly nasty because it apparently involved long-term deception and theft from people SW would have been seeing every working day.

Without that, I doubt whether I would have been very concerned about adjusted time- frames, minor embellishments or inaccuracies. I might have paused briefly to wonder whether a strenuous hike was ideal for a sick man, but without questioning the diagnosis, and I might have felt mildly surprised, among other things, by the number of ageist remarks attributed by SW to random strangers she met on the path, but that's about it.

So yes, it's the embezzlement. However 'creative' creative non-fiction is allowed to be, it splits into a million little pieces (a la James Frey) if the foundations of the story collapse.

I agree with you.

crossedlines · 10/08/2025 22:16

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 22:02

Not sure an apology would have served her better - while the people critical of her would be a bit less angry, it would not have turned them into fans.
But it might have lost her the most dedicated followers, who are still convinced she has done no wrong and has properly explained everything with that statement. There still seem to be an astonishing number of those around.

The rebuttal was spineless…. like SW wanted to include the word ‘sorry’ but only in the context of ‘mistakes’ she may have made rather than genuine remorse for her crime. I wonder if she felt this was the best approach …. Perhaps trying to placate her followers by referencing an apology but without being honest about what she ought to be apologising for. Basically: sorry not sorry!

Tealeaf3 · 10/08/2025 22:24

crossedlines · 10/08/2025 22:16

The rebuttal was spineless…. like SW wanted to include the word ‘sorry’ but only in the context of ‘mistakes’ she may have made rather than genuine remorse for her crime. I wonder if she felt this was the best approach …. Perhaps trying to placate her followers by referencing an apology but without being honest about what she ought to be apologising for. Basically: sorry not sorry!

A Prince Andrew moment

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 22:31

Just wanted to again post this picture from the article, showing a comfortably squatting Tim, supposed to be from 2019 and looks like it was taken in autumn, alongside the doctor's letter from October that year, describing symptoms of paresthesia (Wiki: numbness, tingling, pricking, chilling, or burning) in his feet and pain in his legs as well as other unpleasant symptoms in his lower body.
His symptoms really seem to fluctuate a lot.
(https://archive.ph/c6uz1)

Thread 14: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Thread 14: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Ellmau · 10/08/2025 22:50

There's a lot of atypicals in that letter.

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 22:57

Which one of you is correspondent for all things Minack?

Apparently a journalist has contacted the actors to fact-check if the TSP description adds up, and they are discussing it on facebook?!
(The journalist named did additional investigation on the Australian hikers piece, but his email address is not an Observer one.)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/337568049693108/permalink/24362279223461988/?app=fbl

Choux · 10/08/2025 23:32

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 22:31

Just wanted to again post this picture from the article, showing a comfortably squatting Tim, supposed to be from 2019 and looks like it was taken in autumn, alongside the doctor's letter from October that year, describing symptoms of paresthesia (Wiki: numbness, tingling, pricking, chilling, or burning) in his feet and pain in his legs as well as other unpleasant symptoms in his lower body.
His symptoms really seem to fluctuate a lot.
(https://archive.ph/c6uz1)

I was literally about to re read that letter after seeing the photo. Tim seems absolutely fit as a fiddle in the photo - good muscle tone and completely at ease in the squat position. Beaming and content with life. As someone said he seems not to have a care in the world.

I feel like he has taken that advice to ‘be with someone who loves you more than you love them’ and he has Sally running round making sure he is happy.

Featherbeds · 10/08/2025 23:44

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 22:57

Which one of you is correspondent for all things Minack?

Apparently a journalist has contacted the actors to fact-check if the TSP description adds up, and they are discussing it on facebook?!
(The journalist named did additional investigation on the Australian hikers piece, but his email address is not an Observer one.)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/337568049693108/permalink/24362279223461988/?app=fbl

They all appear to think it’s invented, query the roles mentioned, say the luvvie-ish dialogue seems like ‘lazy stereotypes about Cambridge actors’, point out that no one would have had phone signal to fluff an entrance while sending a text, and that the Treen campsite is nowhere near the only pub they’d have gone to.

None of which is that surprising. I mean, I struggle to imagine Cambridge undergraduates shrieking ‘Jill, Jill, what are we to do? These poor people need somewhere to camp; we must save them from the tempest!’

That, and the hairnet, and the ‘chattering’ of fairies, shepherd and innkeepers, sounds more like some kind of camp Noel Coward skit about pantomime dames than a bunch of students.

Tealeaf3 · 11/08/2025 01:01

Choux · 10/08/2025 23:32

I was literally about to re read that letter after seeing the photo. Tim seems absolutely fit as a fiddle in the photo - good muscle tone and completely at ease in the squat position. Beaming and content with life. As someone said he seems not to have a care in the world.

I feel like he has taken that advice to ‘be with someone who loves you more than you love them’ and he has Sally running round making sure he is happy.

The rapidity which the PSPA cut ties with Raymoth is telling- I would have thought the charity would be enraged if a cbd sufferer was being falsely accused of exaggerating their symptoms / diagnosis and would issue a strong statement of support. Havnt seen anything so far….

DisappointedReader · 11/08/2025 01:13

I think it is necessary for me to respond to a concern expressed by a poster or two earlier in this thread. Of all the issues raised by The Observer exposé, doubts about TW's health claims were for most of us the most difficult, sensitive and troubling to even begin to consider.

Indeed why is it ok to discuss TW's health when this is what I always say in the OPs?:
Please be extremely cautious...around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging.

Firstly, neither MNHQ nor I are saying above that TW's health can't be discussed, rather we are asking posters to be careful about it. Secondly, it is of note that we added this advisory shortly after The Observer's initial exposé and these threads first began, which is exactly 5 weeks ago now. That is some time ago, the situation has moved on, there have been fifteen more reports from The Observer and many more elsewhere. Further details have emerged giving rise to both increased clarity and increased doubts, including about the claims made about TW's health.

An individual's health is one of the most private things about them. However Sally Walker, writing and being interviewed as Raynor Winn, has chosen to make TW's health a central theme of her three books and of her narrative on countless occasions. This has extended to agreeing to a major film and to wide publicity for the film. TW has openly contributed to this narrative and to the central theme around his health. Following the first exposé by The Observer, Sally and Tim Walker decided to release a rebuttal statement including three medical letters. Rather than putting doubts to rest, on close inspection the letters gave rise to more questions.

We are not raising questions about disabled and seriously ill people in general here. I have always made it clear that would not be in the spirit of these threads. It is important to me that this is a safe and welcoming place for all genuine posters, including disabled people and carers. It has been heartening to find widespread support from posters for that, in a world where there is all too often open and veiled hostility and discrimination towards disabled people.

We are talking about one individual here, TW, because very serious doubts have been raised by credible sources about what has been repeatedly and publicly claimed about his health, not least in comparison to what the medical letters say. On the one hand, and amongst many other assertions, we have SW's claims in interviews that TW had received a terminal diagnosis of CBD with two years to live, and TW's claim to Bill Cole that he had less than 3 months to live. On the other hand, again amongst many other factors, we have sight of three NHS consultant's letters which do not give a firm or terminal diagnosis at all, for example: 'it is clear he is affected very mildly', 'so atypical', 'extremely indolent'.

In the light of this and of the many other revelations from The Observer including about the embezzlement and veracity of the walks, homelessness and near-destitution, I think posters can be forgiven for doubting almost everything the Walker/Winns say. What makes me really angry however is the impact on sufferers of CBD, other degenerative neurological conditions and disabled people in general of the questionable health claims made and, essentially, of the miracle cure of long-distance strenuous walking and a poor diet being described. This for me is what now makes it in the public interest and therefore entirely reasonable to be properly discussed here. We all sincerely wish TW well here, as long as what is troubling him comes from a place of fact not fiction.

References:

‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...

Moth Winn’s recovery was a ‘miracle’. CBD patients and th...

‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...

‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...

The Salt Path tells the story of how its author Raynor Winn and her husband Moth walked over 600 miles, days after Moth was diagnosed with a rare and ter...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/hope-is-extinguished-cbs-patients-respond-to-salt-path-allegations

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Tealeaf3 · 11/08/2025 02:03

This post on the PSPA Facebook page, written by a CBD sufferer (anonymized) perhaps illustrates why it’s appropriate, and important, to question SWs health claims re TW.

Thread 14: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
IvyGoldenM · 11/08/2025 06:48

Cinaferna · 10/08/2025 11:45

I'm not condoning their behaviour - to lie about the embezzlement is a serious omission, but it's slightly odd that they are being picked up on changing datelines and small details, such as who they met when. This sort of smoothing out of material is really common in creative non fiction, as people want a story and life doesn't arrive in neatly packaged narrative form. I'm thinking about Educated, the famous and brilliant book by Tara Westover. Right towards the end of the book she admits she had several more brothers than she has described so far, and that she has made up their names to protect their identities and amalgamated the things that happened to them all into a couple of brothers' experiences. This made the book much more dramatic and easy to follow. I was quite thrown by this late admission and would have preferred it at the start.

And her hapless, dirt poor, inept, essential-oil making mother ended up being a world leader in essential oils production. I realised I had a few in my bathroom. She has a huge factory and employs lots of people. So she can't have been just brewing a bit of lavender at home and then made the sudden leap to massive factory owner. She must have been incrementally successful at some point. But that didn't play into the emotional journey of Westover escaping this dirtpoor junkyard and fighting her way to becoming a Cambridge Don. But she wasn't scrutinised for the discrepancies in her story because she partially admitted to them, late on in the book. And it is often understood that there's a creative element to Creative Non Fiction - memoir etc.

I'm interested in whether people would find the other discrepancies okay in Winn's story if the embezzlement were not at the heart of it.

I think the health question is even bigger. The interview with John illustrates the problem with TSP.

On another note, they could have had a contact in publishing who advised them. I am not suggesting an insider at Penguin, but somebody who works in the industry and knows the process. What arcs and hooks might work. The current trends. Zeitgeist notes to hit etc. 2015- 2018 isn’t a huge time to plan, write, submit and publish.

OpenThatWindow · 11/08/2025 06:58

Tealeaf3 · 11/08/2025 02:03

This post on the PSPA Facebook page, written by a CBD sufferer (anonymized) perhaps illustrates why it’s appropriate, and important, to question SWs health claims re TW.

Now we know there are equally significant lies within the narrative (truth of the 'bad investment', walking in 2015 and not 2013, etc) I think it's important, especially for genuine sufferers and their families, to want answers to TimMoth's apparent CBD diagnosis.

All we have in evidence is his own self-reported symptoms, repeated back by the consultants. These could be made up, or exaggerated. The published letters give no actual evidence.

Was the plan all along to pretend to have a chronic disease and 'cure' it?

Catwith69lives · 11/08/2025 07:02

OpenThatWindow · 11/08/2025 06:58

Now we know there are equally significant lies within the narrative (truth of the 'bad investment', walking in 2015 and not 2013, etc) I think it's important, especially for genuine sufferers and their families, to want answers to TimMoth's apparent CBD diagnosis.

All we have in evidence is his own self-reported symptoms, repeated back by the consultants. These could be made up, or exaggerated. The published letters give no actual evidence.

Was the plan all along to pretend to have a chronic disease and 'cure' it?

Very difficult to get a definitive answer to that. All the specialists can do is give their expert opinion based on the evidence reported to them by the patient. What may be clear in 2025, may not have been so apparent in 2015 when much less was known about CBD/CBS.

OpenThatWindow · 11/08/2025 07:03

Tealeaf3 · 11/08/2025 01:01

The rapidity which the PSPA cut ties with Raymoth is telling- I would have thought the charity would be enraged if a cbd sufferer was being falsely accused of exaggerating their symptoms / diagnosis and would issue a strong statement of support. Havnt seen anything so far….

They were dropped rapidly following the release of the letters, weren't they?

Hugely telling.

I suspect the letters' content was so unusual it was obvious something was amiss to their charity, who would of course be highly experienced in genuine cases.

AlertCat · 11/08/2025 07:07

Hyenana · 10/08/2025 21:52

Walking makes us loose flexibility? Why is that?

But yes, no hint of stiff legs in that picture anymore...

Anything you do a lot of will train your muscles, fascia, and connective tissues into a particular shape, using some muscles in particular ways and others not at all. So people who walk or cycle are moving their legs forwards-backwards, there’s minimal rotation inwards or outwards at the hips and very limited flexion (lifting the leg up at the front) or hamstring work. If you do this a lot you reinforce those patterns and movements and others become restricted, so positions like squatting which require deep hip flexion and rotation at the same time become more challenging.

OpenThatWindow · 11/08/2025 07:10

Catwith69lives · 11/08/2025 07:02

Very difficult to get a definitive answer to that. All the specialists can do is give their expert opinion based on the evidence reported to them by the patient. What may be clear in 2025, may not have been so apparent in 2015 when much less was known about CBD/CBS.

I can't help thinking what a 'handy' diagnosis in terms of narrative it is - no definitive test, no treatment, varying levels of symptoms, no definitive prognosis (except for inevitable progression of the disease).

Someone many threads back (apologies I can't remember) mentioned that had TimMoth reported his symptoms and been a woman, he'd likely be told its just menopause/hormones/lose weight/take antidepressants - this is unnervingly so likely.

I have nothing but sympathy and admiration for the strength of spirit of genuine sufferers and their families. I find this the most heartbreaking potential lie of the Winns, if it does come out that the illness was purposefully fabricated or exaggerated.

At this point, I think they're capable of it, at least.

Catwith69lives · 11/08/2025 07:40

OpenThatWindow · 11/08/2025 07:10

I can't help thinking what a 'handy' diagnosis in terms of narrative it is - no definitive test, no treatment, varying levels of symptoms, no definitive prognosis (except for inevitable progression of the disease).

Someone many threads back (apologies I can't remember) mentioned that had TimMoth reported his symptoms and been a woman, he'd likely be told its just menopause/hormones/lose weight/take antidepressants - this is unnervingly so likely.

I have nothing but sympathy and admiration for the strength of spirit of genuine sufferers and their families. I find this the most heartbreaking potential lie of the Winns, if it does come out that the illness was purposefully fabricated or exaggerated.

At this point, I think they're capable of it, at least.

Walking non stop from Cape Wrath to Polruan (well over 1,000 miles) over some incredibly challenging terrain for somebody who has been suffering from CBD for 15 years defies belief. A week in Iceland is one thing but the walk described in LL is ludicrous imo, if TW is a genuine sufferer of CBD..

Featherbeds · 11/08/2025 08:07

IvyGoldenM · 11/08/2025 06:48

I think the health question is even bigger. The interview with John illustrates the problem with TSP.

On another note, they could have had a contact in publishing who advised them. I am not suggesting an insider at Penguin, but somebody who works in the industry and knows the process. What arcs and hooks might work. The current trends. Zeitgeist notes to hit etc. 2015- 2018 isn’t a huge time to plan, write, submit and publish.

But no insider contact in publishing could have advised them on what was either going to be something editors were looking out for in a few years’ time, or what would sell well, if bought. Agents doing a Q and A will often say ‘I’m on the look out for pacy YA fantasy’ or whatever, but that’s what they’re looking for now, based on their sense of the market now.

No one has a crystal ball. Anyone advising debut authors tells them not to try to predict what will be popular before getting started — the chances are you will be submitting whatever it is to agents well after the market has moved on.

User14March · 11/08/2025 08:08

Catwith69lives · 11/08/2025 07:02

Very difficult to get a definitive answer to that. All the specialists can do is give their expert opinion based on the evidence reported to them by the patient. What may be clear in 2025, may not have been so apparent in 2015 when much less was known about CBD/CBS.

Is it not very unlikely a ‘terminal diagnosis’ given at a ‘routine appointment’ beyond all else?

Catwith69lives · 11/08/2025 08:13

User14March · 11/08/2025 08:08

Is it not very unlikely a ‘terminal diagnosis’ given at a ‘routine appointment’ beyond all else?

If they were indeed referred to the Walton Neurology unit in Liverpool then it could hardly a) have been described as a routine appointment or b) come as a complete shock that the problem wasn't a muscular one related to a previous fall from a barn roof but was neurological.

IvyGoldenM · 11/08/2025 08:22

GogleddCymru · 10/08/2025 19:36

Tied to it. A female guest who said she thought the whole saga was basically just people trying to take down a successful female (yawn ... my italics) author, with no reference to any of the reams of supporting evidence, and a male guest who hadn't read the book (and didn't appear to know there were sequels) who thought it was odd that this all came out after the film was released ... Reminded me of some of the posters on Facebook who say it's a witchhunt, they're lovely, leave them alone. Deeply disappointing from R4.
Apologies if someone else has responded before me - just catching up!

I believe the BBC partly funded TSP film? Perhaps not in the best interest of the corporation if the film does not do well.

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