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Trapped caring for ageing parent

61 replies

Dappy777 · 07/08/2025 15:16

I'm worried about my brother and could do with some outside perspective. For context, he's 48 and I'm 45. He lives with our 78-year-old mother in the family home. I live 200 miles away. Brother had MH problems in his teens and 20s which held him back and stopped him working and forming relationships. When he was 29, my dad died. I had moved away by then with my boyfriend (now husband). My mother had been with my dad since they were 15 and was totally broken (anti-depressants, constant crying, near breakdown). She sort of clung to my brother, and it suited both of them to carry on living together – he didn't have to worry about rent or bills, and she got company and support.

Unfortunately, as the years have gone by they've developed a pretty toxic/co-dependent relationship. In his 30s, he grew more confident and did a bit of dating. I know there were a couple of women he could have built serious relationships with, but he let them go, partly (I think) because he felt responsible for my mother. It isn't all one sided, however. He's an avoidant, introverted, depressed sort of character without any interest in a career. Taking care of my mother became an excuse. He did an MA in literature at the local uni and could have been a teacher, but I know he'd have hated it. He isn't on the spectrum btw. That much I'm sure of. I'd say he had a full-blown avoidant personality disorder in his teens (which he still struggles with).

The older he's got, however, the more ashamed he feels, and the shame reinforces the avoidance. He's never really worked and just makes do with side hussles. But I'm worried about the future. He's 48 and she's 78. As he moves into his 50s and she moves into her 80s I can see things getting messy. He doesn't speak to the neighbours (mainly because of shame) and has lost touch with all his friends (again because of shame). If my mother gets ill and has to go into a home, I'm not sure what rights he'd have. Would the LA take the house and sell it? Would he be homeless? Even if my mother dies suddenly and he gets his inheritance, he'll be a 50-something man with no partner, no friends, no job and no experience of surviving on his own.

I was speaking to someone about all this the other day. She said she used to work in social care and often dealt with middle-aged men like him – men who'd never been officially diagnosed with anything, and never had therapy or claimed benefits. They'd just lived with their parents in the family home and hidden away from the world. Then the parents die and everything falls apart. They've often got poor physical health, no life skills, no work experience, and no social life. I've tried talking to them, but they've got their heads in the sand. I know my brother would rather have moved away, but I don't think he ever felt he could, and now he feels trapped. In reality, he is trapped. I wish I could do more tbh, but I'm 200 miles away with three kids and a stressed husband. Whenever I've tried talking to my mother she just cries. And my brother doesn't want to know.

OP posts:
ShrineToHim · 07/08/2025 15:36

YANBU OP I know how UTTERLY DEBILITATING shame is

so true I had to capitalise it ..

BoundaryGirl3939 · 07/08/2025 15:44

He is the way he is. I think the most important thing is that he has a roof over his head in later years.
If your mother could provide him with some kind of security after she dies, that would be a relief.
He seems like a lovely chap.

Isittimeformynapyet · 07/08/2025 15:51

BoundaryGirl3939 · 07/08/2025 15:44

He is the way he is. I think the most important thing is that he has a roof over his head in later years.
If your mother could provide him with some kind of security after she dies, that would be a relief.
He seems like a lovely chap.

Does he?

Is this empty platitude going to help op feel better?

Isittimeformynapyet · 07/08/2025 16:01

I understand why you're worried OP.

I worry about my brother who's 60, single, long term unemployed and has considerable personality difficulties. But the situation is entirely outside my control and I have had to accept that. I do get upset if I dwell on it, but that's a waste of energy so I try not to.

Our situations aren't identical though, so I can just wish you all the best.

Cyclebabble · 07/08/2025 16:04

I have a friend from Uni who finished up being her mum's life carer. She showed great promise in her field, but sadly never worked and just kind of stumbled into caring. Over time she has suffered from quite severe depression and now in her late 50s faces an uncertain picture . When Mum dies the house will be split three ways. She has no pension, not even a state one and faces a life supported by benefits which I think will be bleak. At mid 40s though there is still hope. If he started to work now he could work for 20 years before retirement and develop a good life. I would be doing everything I could to encourage him to do so.

Radiatorsa · 07/08/2025 16:08

Can he be put on the tenancy so he at least has a home?

beetr00 · 07/08/2025 16:10

Sorry @Dappy777, why is your brother ashamed though?

Have I misunderstood?

I see a man who, although he's enmeshed, (with his Mum) has freely made that choice, so there must be some kind of pay off, for them both?

WearyAuldWumman · 07/08/2025 16:11

I recall that a resident has to be over 60 in order to stop the LA from taking the house.

There's some info here: https://www.ageuk.org.uk/siteassets/documents/factsheets/fs38_property_and_paying_for_residential_care_fcs.pdf

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/siteassets/documents/factsheets/fs38_property_and_paying_for_residential_care_fcs.pdf

BoundaryGirl3939 · 07/08/2025 16:11

Isittimeformynapyet · 07/08/2025 15:51

Does he?

Is this empty platitude going to help op feel better?

To be fair, your own post about your own brother doesn't exactly offer much hope or help to Op.

Yes, he's does seem like a nice chap. Caring and sensitive. I know his type.

Pomegranatecarnage · 07/08/2025 16:11

If your Mum owns her home, maybe she needs to sign it over to him. I have a friend who has a brother in an identical situation but 10 years older, it’s all got very difficult as his Mum has just been diagnosed with a terminal illness and the flat they share is Housing Association.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 07/08/2025 16:14

beetr00 · 07/08/2025 16:10

Sorry @Dappy777, why is your brother ashamed though?

Have I misunderstood?

I see a man who, although he's enmeshed, (with his Mum) has freely made that choice, so there must be some kind of pay off, for them both?

My thoughts too. He made this choice. That's how his personality is wired. Perhaps he likes a secluded life.

Beats being in an emotionally abusive and manipulative relationship for life imo.

The financial side needs to be looked at though. Does your mother have savings?

BoundaryGirl3939 · 07/08/2025 16:16

Pomegranatecarnage · 07/08/2025 16:11

If your Mum owns her home, maybe she needs to sign it over to him. I have a friend who has a brother in an identical situation but 10 years older, it’s all got very difficult as his Mum has just been diagnosed with a terminal illness and the flat they share is Housing Association.

This is not as straightforward. They know people are up to these tricks. They look back over your assets and property over the past decade or so to see what happened to it.

There are ways around it but Ops mum needs to start doing her homework now.

mn5962 · 07/08/2025 16:50

@Dappy777 Is the home owned by your DM or is it a rented / council property?

I assume its owned as you mentioned your DB living rent free etc. Anyway, if its a council property i believe he can apply for the tenancy should your DM pass and there is a process for this as he has lived there for so long. He could also be put on the tenancy.

If its owned by your DM, with or without a mortgage, any equity in the home could be used to pay for any care your DM requires over a threshold. I cant remember the ins and outs of it but ultimately if your DM needed to go into care then it would be funded until she died then the house would have to be sold as part of her estate to pay for care costs up to a threshold amount which is something like 16k or 20k. Your DB would then need to move and find alternative housing.

If you DM signed her home over to you / your DB as an early inheritance she would need to live for at least 7 years to ensure no IHT is due but if she has ailments currently and needed care in a few years time then it could be seen a deprivation of assets and still form part of her estate etc.

If you are worried about your DB and his housing and what would happen when the time comes with your DM i would highly recommend getting some professional advise. What i have said only comes from memory of something similair i had to deal with a few years ago so maynot be 100% correct.

WiddlinDiddlin · 07/08/2025 17:04

If he has a disability and is therefore in some way dependent on DM, then they can't just hoof him out easily.

Do NOT follow advice to have her sign the house over to him, thats deprivation of assets, gets folk into trouble and doesn't actually work.

Fraudornot · 07/08/2025 17:08

Im interested why you have ruled out autism here?

Everyday99 · 07/08/2025 17:13

They both gave great deal. What the tragedy here. He's going to sell the house or it might be already given him in a will.

He's got problems emotionally, so the mum too. Everybody lives with various emotions

Everyday99 · 07/08/2025 17:18

I am genuinely curious when such posts appeae from relatives. What do you want to happen?? Your needy relative leaving your needy mum so then there are two separate tragedies dealing with. Why

Everyday99 · 07/08/2025 17:19

Curious also because someone might live with me also all my life and I'll secure their future. Whose business is this but mine...

stayathomer · 07/08/2025 17:19

I know you say you’re 200km away and have your own stuff but could you start travelling to see them more? My sister does equivalent every three weeks/ once a month for two or three days to see my brother and mum, she said she wasn’t going to wait until after mum died before she started visiting. Can you invite them over for a few days too? Frame it as a holiday? They need to shake up their lives. I have an autistic nearly forty year old db and we’re trying to get both Jim and mum to realise life is not just about existing, I’m travelling up to go to the cinema and out for dinner this weekend. Sorry this is happening op, it’s not easy x

Everyday99 · 07/08/2025 17:21

Ahh but the GP, the council...they aren't getting my money, my relative will

Everyday99 · 07/08/2025 17:22

stayathomer · 07/08/2025 17:19

I know you say you’re 200km away and have your own stuff but could you start travelling to see them more? My sister does equivalent every three weeks/ once a month for two or three days to see my brother and mum, she said she wasn’t going to wait until after mum died before she started visiting. Can you invite them over for a few days too? Frame it as a holiday? They need to shake up their lives. I have an autistic nearly forty year old db and we’re trying to get both Jim and mum to realise life is not just about existing, I’m travelling up to go to the cinema and out for dinner this weekend. Sorry this is happening op, it’s not easy x

Curious what shake up you plan for them and will they approve of your plans

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/08/2025 17:25

Fraudornot · 07/08/2025 17:08

Im interested why you have ruled out autism here?

Me too. He sounds classic ND.

Ted27 · 07/08/2025 17:26

@beetr00

Is shame that really hard to understand?
How many posts have I seen here asking if you would date a middle aged man who lives with his mum?
Whatever his difficulties he is probably very aware that he hasn't done what other people do , ie leave home, go to uni, get a job, go on holiday with his mates. So he is ashamed and shame stops you from doing stuff. Its a vicious circle

CeilingStarsSparkes · 07/08/2025 17:40

If your DM has any health issues, she can claim attendance allowance which is not means tested.

Your brother could claim carers allowance, where he can work & earn up to a maximum of £196 per month
National insurance contributions are also paid whether he works or not
If he earns more than £196; the allowance is stopped

beetr00 · 07/08/2025 17:40

Ted27 · 07/08/2025 17:26

@beetr00

Is shame that really hard to understand?
How many posts have I seen here asking if you would date a middle aged man who lives with his mum?
Whatever his difficulties he is probably very aware that he hasn't done what other people do , ie leave home, go to uni, get a job, go on holiday with his mates. So he is ashamed and shame stops you from doing stuff. Its a vicious circle

shame is not difficult for me to understand, at all @Ted27

If @Dappy777 had said "her brother is embarrassed" I could have "somewhat" understood due to societal connotations.

But she used shame which is significantly different, why would he be "ashamed" by living with and caring for his Mum?