AIBU to think the judge’s comments in this case are completely inappropriate?

[Lizzie67384]

A male judge stated he thought the rapist was not a ‘dangerous man’ and that the 13 year old victim had ‘not suffered much degree of psychological harm’

First post nails it.

Show me where I claimed to speak on behalf of his victims?

Justice is for all of us, protects all of us. The justice system inherently takes society into account. It’s inextricably linked to the well-being and functioning of a society as a whole.

But you’ve misunderstood the nuance of the example in quite an obvious way. It must be intentional? I don’t understand how anyone could fail to get it otherwise

You demanded justice is done is a particular way that suits you- one that you think it’s appropriate punishment. You are not the victim, what you think is irrelevant.

criminals are locked up or otherwise to prevent them from committing further crime to protect society. This is part of prevention and to support the safety of citizens, not retribution for the crime they did commit . So again, the general public’s view of what this should be is irrelevant.

I agree. It's a very odd mentality, and one that I'm struggling to understand.

Could the people who think all rapes should be treated the same, consider this:

1. do you think sentencing ranges should be abolished for all offences? So a rape is a rape, a murder is a murder, a theft is a theft and speeding is speeding?

1a) if the answer is no and it's just rape, what is it specifically about rape that makes it different from all other offences so that the usual principles of sentencing should be thrown out?

1b) if the answer is yes, do you think someone should get the same sentence for driving 31 in a 30 or 100 in a 30? What about murder? Life sentences are mandatory, but the minimum tariffs depend on the circumstances. Should the spouse of a terminally ill person, who gives their loved in a morphine overdose to speed their passing be imprisoned for the same time as Wayne Couzens? Or maybe Fred West?

I haven’t demanded anything, don’t be silly. It’s a discussion we’re having here.

I’m not a victim, but why would that make what I think irrelevant? What you think is equally irrelevant by that token, in which case why bother discussing anything, or having an opinion?

And I don’t know why you bothered saying ‘retribution for crimes they didn’t commit’ - no one has suggested people be punished for crimes they didn’t commit. It amuses me that you dismiss the views of the general public as irrelevant. I wonder what sort of society can function when their views are dismissed or ignored so casually.

You said they should be deported immediately.

so if the victim wants the reassurance of them serving their sentence in a British prison that’s irrelevant to you? What if he is deported immediately to Iran and they don’t punish him at all? He’s simply free to go about his life. How do you think the victim would feel about that?

the post you’ve quoted said “retribution for crimes they DID COMMIT”

so your last paragraph doesn’t mean anything in this conversation

Relieved he was thousands of miles away rather than in a British prison serving a short sentence before release back into our streets?

Well as another person who wasn’t the victim, you can’t know. It’s possible, but it’s also very possible they want to see justice served, and exporting a rapist to rape Iranian women instead isn’t many people’s version of justice

My reading of this poster’s comments is that they don’t / won’t understand the difference between something being rape or not and the concept of there being mitigating and aggravating factors for a crime.

Whether this is intentional or not is unclear. A number of posters on here seem to be enjoying the chance to be sanctimonious - which only works if others can be depicted as downplaying or excusing rape.

Which not a single person on here has done.

I’m still waiting to hear from the poster who has made some charming insinuations about me on here.

So he should be free to stay and rape more British women instead? Shouldn’t every country take responsibility for their own rapists instead of farming them out to us?

No, your post is in no way related to mine or the posts before it. The only forms of justice discussed have been imprisonment in the uk vs immediate deportation. Staying in the uk unpunished hasn’t been suggested by anyone. It’s a waste of time to engage with.

It comes across as uninformed and emotionally immature though. The root causes of criminal behaviour and the treatment of citizens within our existing legal and moral framework is a fascinating and important discussion. I can’t imagine not wanting to expand on that for some inauthentic sounding standard you can’t deviate from

I see the ACKSHUALLY crowd are still here digging themselves deeper and deeper and frothing at the mouth that I know what they are 😅😂

Actually (but not ACKSHUALLY ) it's not just me. Everyone knows what you are. 😘

And nah, I won't bother my arse to respond to you this time either. I see you. I see you very well.

Does anyone remember Jill Saward? In the 1980s she was gang raped in her own home by a group of robbers when they went to trial the judge (a man, unsurprisingly) dismissed her ordeal as not being so bad and gave them harsher sentences for robbery than rape.

It was outrageous then and it is now but the one thing I always believed was that it was a different time and that the world has moved on and evolved. Basically it wouldn't happen now. Obviously I was wrong.

I do remember that. Also, the time that a judge let a rapist off with a fine because the victim has shown 'contributory negligence' by hitchhiking in a remote area. Awful.

For those who think loads of us condone rape, if you look at the vote here, 97% think the OP is NBU.

Phew.

Much more “I know what you did last summer. Oh, yes, I know. LOLZ” and I’d have cracked.

You can’t have contributory negligence in criminal cases. Was it a civil prosecution?

But unless he’s imprisoned for life, which rape generally isn’t, he will eventually be ‘out’ on British streets won’t he?

Or… what actually happens in reality which is that he serves his sentence in a uk prison and gets deported when it’s completed?!?

It’s not compulsory for rapists to be deported after serving their term, or for previously convicted rapists arriving here to be automatically refused asylum. They’re only looking to bring that in as a rule now, and many are still here. Unbelievable I know

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg7q0e77exo.amp

‘Could’ be deported

www.itv.com/news/central/2025-07-24/asylum-seeker-who-raped-12-year-old-after-offering-crisps-could-be-deported

Things have changed. That’s one of the reasons the Judge in this case had guidelines to follow, not his own whims.

Have a cursory google and there are a truly HORRIFYING number of cases where asylum seekers have raped children and women and have not been deported. In some cases they claim their rape conviction would make it ‘too unsafe’ for them back in their home country.

It’s unbelievable.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/27455937/child-rapist-not-deported-mental-health/