Thread 13: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The 12 Observer reports currently available online: The real Salt Path | The Observer

Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement: Raynor Winn

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Threads 2-11: Links all in the OP of Thread 12

Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5384574-thread-12-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse welcome. It would be helpful to read at least some of the Observer items above before posting. There are currently 12 interesting items on The Observer website and linked to above.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for twelve very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

Have the sales or thefts of fudge gone up recently?
Will Simon's head ever turn up?
Has the shed of doubt yet burst at the seams?
Will the old charabanc hold up as a tour bus for our hip new band The Drive-By Scolders?
And finally, how much salt can we possibly cram into a giant pinch?

Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge be with you.

Whatever evidence they produced would only show that the highly emotional TSP tale of the friend themselves taking them to court, falsely claiming an investment they had made "somehow" made them responsible for all his other business debts, and who only won the case because their killer evidence against him wasn't accepted, was complete hogwash.

It might even be true that Raymoth somehow felt betrayed that his uncle/friend would dare to request his money back because his own business got into trouble, but in the eyes of a lawyer that is absolutely not the same thing.

As I understand it, in early 2013 the Walkers produced a letter from the administrator's of Cooper's company claiming that the loan had come from the company not Cooper. However, Cooper produced bank accounts which showed that the loan was from his personal account and had nothing to do with the business that failed. The Judge accepted this.This loan had been passed on to the creditors. The house was repossessed in the summer. The Walker's never denied that they owed the money.

I've sent you a PM @Hyenana

There is a picture of Sally (unless you believe it's someone dressed up as her 😉) at Hartland point, but she only posted it to her IG in 2017.
https://www.instagram.com/raynor.winn/p/BUjIilaBS2I/?hl=en

The memorial plaque on the stone shows it is Hartland point
http://www.maritimequest.com/misc_pages/monuments_memorials/glenart_castle_memorial.htm

Difference Between Theft and Embezzlement

EMBEZZLEMENT:

Relationship -
Involves a trusted role

Nature -
Breach of trust

Setting -
Often workplaces or official roles

Method -
Concealed, long-term deception

THEFT:
Relationship -
No prior trust or access

Nature -
Direct and unauthorized taking

Setting-
Any environment

Method -
May be opportunistic and immediate

Quite creepy when you see it laid out

That looks to me as if it was taken in winter - woollen hat

She states in TSP though that did not owe money.

I also considered this possibility. It's a very annoying crop of the photo (and I assume it's intentionally cropped as opposed to how the photo was framed because TW is only half in it.) You could be right.

Also, why delete it from IG??? Could be onto something.

If they went to see Iolande at the Minack that places it firmly in Sept 2013

Or even Iolanthe!

They aren't trying to catch out the author though. They are trying to prevent any potential legal recourse for identiying someone and harming reputuation. As long as she could demonstrate Cooper was the half-uncle, say by showing evidence that he gave the loan, then they wouldn't necessarily look further had she also shown he was deceased. The disclaimer might then have been enough for them to trust RW and no need to go beyond who gave the loan. Maybe you are right, but I'm saying there are other angles preventing that certainty.

Only if they went to it though.

A lot of the original cast members are on FB. A journalist should be able to contact them and verify if the events described in TSP took place or not. The pub where they (the cast) could have been staying (The Cable Station Inn) closed in 2021.

And what do you think that says about PHR's knowledge and responsibility?

Think that was me 😊I was reminded of SW so much. There's also a follow-on documentary about Belle Gibson on Netflix - I can't recall what it's called but easy enough to find. One of BG's ex-friends says of her: 'She didn't have friends, she had hosts' ...

DRIVE-BY SCOLDING ALERT ⚠️

Afternoon all. I share the concerns of some pps and PMs that a very small number of recent posts have strayed a little far from the path of the central characters. As I say in the OP, it isn't in the spirit of the threads. General discussion is fine but implicating, real names, addresses, or links to those, is being a bit too salty.

I reckon its 2015! I've unearthed a photo of the sign on 9 Oct 2013 which shows that some of the paint has peeled off the signpost showing exposed wood. The sign with Raymoth doesn't have peeling paint!

The 2013 info on Camdram says the performance started at 20:00 and the opening night was Monday 16th Sept
Google says the play generally lasts for 2h 50min. TSP says two actors come off stage and invite Raymoth as they are leaving and have to rush to get last orders (which would be at 11pm on a weekday). Is it plausible the actors would rush off stage in costume, invite two strangers, know about a remote campsite and have room in their van despite the large cast, and still get to the pub on time?

We know Raymoth did stay at this campsite at least because if memory serves me it was the "space theft " one. But whether it was on this date I don't know.

The Cable Station Inn regularly hosted cast members from the Minack so it is plausible. SW would have to have done some serious detective work to make the incident plausible. Either the cast members did have access to a van to ferry them to the Cable Station Inn or they didn't.

Apparently the Army closing path is incredibly unlikely re: other implausible lifts. Do we know more about that from local correspondents?

Top notch sleuthing! I'm convinced it was 2015 now.

Believe me, I don't want to say this but there is a peeling bit in the same spot, from what I can see. Doesn't rule out 2015 as I doubt the sign gets touched up often. But I don't think it's conclusive.

I remember seeing a comment on Reddit from a former squaddie who said that the incident at Braunton Sands was completely implausible.