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DisappointedReader · 2025-08-02T11:25:02+00:00

The Observer [[https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...]] 2nd Observer [[https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found]] 3rd Observer [[https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video]] 4th Observer [[https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/moth-told-me-he-was-dying-when-a-doctor-had-said-his-brain-scan-was-normal ‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...]] Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement [[https://www.raynorwinn.co.uk/ Raynor Winn]] Thread One ^[[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5368194-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?* www.mumsnet.com/talk/amibeingunreasonable/5368194-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?]]^ Thread 2 [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5368685-thread-2-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?page=1 Thread 2. 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It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting. There are currently 10 items on The Observer website [[https://observer.co.uk/collections/the-real-salt-path The real Salt Path | The Observer]] To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for eleven very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome. No saltiness. Keep to the path. Will our life-size cardboard cut-out Simon Armitage keep his head? *NB Timeline coming in the first posts of this thread for reference.*

Agoddessonamountaintop · 04/08/2025 07:55

Hyenana · 03/08/2025 23:07

How do you tell if an IG account has changed it's name? I had no idea that was possible.

You are right about her account having been set up in 2016 - but I'm damn sure I've heard her say in multiple interviews that she only joined Social Media after TSP was published and someone had to help her with it (innocent nature child that she is), so that when Bill Cole contacted her she just gave him her phone number because she was so naive back then.

Does anybody else remember that story? If true, it would belong on the Inconsistencies list @AldoGordo

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You go to the account’s homepage and click on the three dots at the top right of the screen, then on ‘about this account.’ This tells you whether there have been any name changes. You’re welcome!

I woke up early this morning and have just spent more time than I’d care to admit scrolling her earlier posts. It’s all pretty bland, but it strikes me me as weirdly so; her ‘excited’ posts about the book being published, interviews at the Beeb, book readings etc. seem restrained to me, as if she’s taking it all in her stride as it’s only what’s due to her, after all. Easily said in retrospect I know.

Side issue: a few pics of the tent pitched slap bang in the middle of a beach set my teeth on edge. What do they do for plumbing when they’re miles from any facilities (do we still clutch pearls, haven’t been here much for years)?

Choux · 04/08/2025 08:00

This says 18 months average from entering the publishing process to hitting the shelves. I don’t believe it all happened after the big issue article in 9 months.

I think a more real timeline Is that drafts were written in 2014/15 as a joint project (the missing year) as I think his family are more creative and he has definitely had some input. Agent and publisher acquired around this time (don’t people often shop for publishers when only the first few chapters are written?) and possibly an advance for them to live on. Moth gets on his course so it can be the final hopeful element of the story. Substantial edits - perhaps Penguin themselves wanted to ramp up the diagnosis side and the Walkers needed income so had to go along with it - and publishing prep in 2016 and 2017 plus a long game marketing plan so the BI article is placed in summer of 2017. I think the ‘oops we found an instant bestseller’ was actually due to clever timing and marketing as well as crafting the content to appeal to a wide audience.
https://www.shieldcrest.co.uk/how-long-does-it-take-to-publish-a-book/

How Long Does It Take to Publish a Book

Discover the timeline of publishing a book in the UK. Traditional publishing timeline. Self-publishing and Hybrid publishing timeline.

https://www.shieldcrest.co.uk/how-long-does-it-take-to-publish-a-book/

Catwith69lives · 04/08/2025 08:02

As a 50th birthday present? Wasn't TW born in 3Q1960?

CoolBath · 04/08/2025 08:08

Hyenana · 04/08/2025 00:06

That is certainly a suspicion I have as well. I think the advertisement for the book at the end of the July article might have been added retrospectively - if not that would be a shockingly stupid mistake (one would have to see the original print issue to be sure).

But I think that the 8 months between the BI article and the TSP publication seems rather short for her to find an agent, a publisher, the rough draft to be edited, legal department doing whatever with it, and all other things that had to be organized to be done.
I posted about this earlier today and tagged a poster who knows a lot about publishing asking for her opinion but no answer yet unfortunately.

If you find what it is that bugs you about the email I'd be interested to know!

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Yes, that’s much, much too short. Even if the first agent she sent it to offered her representation, and the they first editor sent it bought it, it’s still much too short. It would be like concluding a UK house sale in a fortnight — not possible even if your offer is accepted immediately and you’re a cash buyer ready to proceed. There are simply too many things that need doing in the interim,

AldoGordo · 04/08/2025 08:17

Choux · 04/08/2025 07:34

She claims she had an agent within 10 days of the BI article being published. I don’t believe that. I think her agent / publisher knew how to create an ‘organic’ buzz around her. A bit like when a singer is suddenly ‘discovered’ via Tik Tok but actually already knows some industry big names.
https://www.bigissue.com/culture/film/the-salt-path-raynor-winn-gillian-anderson-jason-isaacs-interview/

Some interesting photos here. Homeless Moth still manages to look good in his camo shorts and fitted black t shirt. She looks a bit more like she could be wild camping and is again in a red and white patterned dress. I noticed his trousers being too short in the photo above immediately as he usually looks very put together. Perhaps he put on weight round his waist so they hung a bit higher?

I agree, but the timing is different to what you think. It wasn't 10 days after the BI article, it was a few weeks. But it took just a day for the agent to reply and another 10 days to have signed RW and be completing the proposal for publishers....some clarity below:

The editor and author of the 2025 piece says "A few weeks later" he gets an email from RW about some story of how the article had inspired a homeless man she bumped into on the SWCP near her house. The editor goes on to say:

Raynor also told me that she’d put her plans to self-publish on hold. “I had given up hope of getting an agent or publisher but randomly approached an agent 10 days ago, mentioning the Big Issue article (thought I’d give it one last go) and she came back to me within the day. Just completing the proposal to be sent out to publishers, so fingers crossed. Don’t think she’d have considered it if it hadn’t been for your article, so thanks again.”

So she found an agent a few weeks after the BI article published on 10 July 2017 and it took just a single day for her agent to reply to her pitch. And then by 10 days later she and the agent are completing the proposal for publishers (so she must also be signed). Then in March 2018 TSP is published. Quite a remarkable turnaround (for a first time author) given the amount of time and work that's usually required to publish a memoir/non-fiction book. I suppose it's plausible but it does seem incredibly quick.

mauvishagain · 04/08/2025 08:21

Catwith69lives · 04/08/2025 08:02

As a 50th birthday present? Wasn't TW born in 3Q1960?

That struck me too!

CoolBath · 04/08/2025 08:23

AldoGordo · 03/08/2025 23:03

I agree, but we simply don't know enough. On one hand it could have been RW alone (or with Moth) who removed it during a round of edits and managed to explain it away ("oh, I got confused when typing in a rush / I meant someone else's mother / it's been such an emotional rollercoaster I sometimes forget my name, etc etc"). That's if anyone noticed or queried its removal.

However, if someone else was involved in that decision then the omission would need explaining given it was a "true" story.

Why? Because there would be no need to remove it had they believed RWs word to be true that her mother died in 2013 before the house loss, diagnosis and walk. In fact, it would provide a fuller emotional and tragic backstory with a triple-whammy of a hook: grieving her mother, becoming homeless, and facing the death of Moth. Yes, it would perhaps make the backstory a bit more complicated, but in this manuscript scenario it would be true (according to and trusting in RW) and no need to completely erase it. Keeping it wouldn't even require going into much detail about her mother's death. I mean we barely get much on how they lose the house or the diagnosis anyway.

And yet if someone else was involved in removing it then why did they do that? Why remove a "truth" from a true story that would benefit the story and understanding of RW's life (as opposed to keeping in a bit about the death of a pet sheep!), unless you knew that "truth" to be false.

And if someone knew it were false, then they must have known the real 2015 date. And so it goes they must either have been aware that Moth's diagnosis didn't happen until after the walk or they queried this alternative conflicting timeline with RW and she somehow convincingly explained it away to get it back on track to 2013.

But yeah, we simply don't know enough to draw any conclusions. All it tells us, and crucially so, is that RW originally wrote that her mother died 6 months before Moth's diagnosis, which strongly adds weight to the diagnosis being in 2015, thereby undermining TSP's central premise.

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Not necessarily. A memoir, as RW said herself, is not an entire account of a life, but a selection. 😀

An editor may simply have said ‘This doesn’t fit’ or ‘Either you make your mother’s death something that you talk about in detail, which will change the book and make it sadder, or you take it out altogether.’ Rather than focusing on when she died.

FlyAgaricc · 04/08/2025 09:07

@Catwith69lives
Can you make out what the rest of the writing in the Paddy book says? Looks like "full moon" , "one of the hottest days of all time" and something about salad. Not Mousehole for salad?? I don't think they could afford a salad in that nice deli/ café at Mousehole. The Great Expectation note could be an authentic annotation - I can't see why they would add this retrospectively as it doesn't fit the narrative

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 04/08/2025 09:10

DisappointedReader · 04/08/2025 00:07

It was in the book, yes, but it was in the book under the name of Raynor Winn so it wasn't being linked to Sally Walker at that time. She would have felt protected by her penname and by the NDA silencing Mr Hemmings. By the time of The One Show interview with JI, not only was her face reaching a wider audience because of all the film publicity, increasing the chance that she would be recognised as Sally Walker, hadn't The Observer been in touch at this point so she knew trouble could be coming her way? Also, am I remembering correctly that both sides had signed the NDA, not just Mr Hemmings?

That is also a moment in the interview where Raysal exchanges interesting eye contact with the host Alex Jones and I wonder if anything had been said pre-interview about what she would and wouldn't say, could and couldn't be asked, but JI overrode that?

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That would make sense to me ifSalray had said she couldn’t say anything. But for JI to say it implies that he knew there was an investigation into them, which seems incredibly unlikely. They would have to have told him - why would they?

AldoGordo · 04/08/2025 09:16

CoolBath · 04/08/2025 08:23

Not necessarily. A memoir, as RW said herself, is not an entire account of a life, but a selection. 😀

An editor may simply have said ‘This doesn’t fit’ or ‘Either you make your mother’s death something that you talk about in detail, which will change the book and make it sadder, or you take it out altogether.’ Rather than focusing on when she died.

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True but all is possible and we simply don't know. But I also think that possibility would be rather thoughtless from a story perspective. And it should raise questions in a memoir. Timelines are the vital source of cause and effect on which to shape a narrative. Not to question it would be questionable for a professional in the narrative non-fiction industry. Raynor on the other hand seems to be very good at lying and coming up with believable excuses.

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 04/08/2025 09:21

Choux · 04/08/2025 07:34

She claims she had an agent within 10 days of the BI article being published. I don’t believe that. I think her agent / publisher knew how to create an ‘organic’ buzz around her. A bit like when a singer is suddenly ‘discovered’ via Tik Tok but actually already knows some industry big names.
https://www.bigissue.com/culture/film/the-salt-path-raynor-winn-gillian-anderson-jason-isaacs-interview/

Some interesting photos here. Homeless Moth still manages to look good in his camo shorts and fitted black t shirt. She looks a bit more like she could be wild camping and is again in a red and white patterned dress. I noticed his trousers being too short in the photo above immediately as he usually looks very put together. Perhaps he put on weight round his waist so they hung a bit higher?

Reading that article makes me think she hyped up the ‘people treated us like shit when they thought we were homeless’ aspect to tailor it to the Big Issue.

crossedlines · 04/08/2025 09:24

Re: the point about the NDA…. I imagine it would be in breach of the agreement to discuss even under a pseudonym wouldn’t it? Otherwise, NDA’s wouldn’t carry much weight.

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 04/08/2025 09:27

AldoGordo · 04/08/2025 08:17

I agree, but the timing is different to what you think. It wasn't 10 days after the BI article, it was a few weeks. But it took just a day for the agent to reply and another 10 days to have signed RW and be completing the proposal for publishers....some clarity below:

The editor and author of the 2025 piece says "A few weeks later" he gets an email from RW about some story of how the article had inspired a homeless man she bumped into on the SWCP near her house. The editor goes on to say:

Raynor also told me that she’d put her plans to self-publish on hold. “I had given up hope of getting an agent or publisher but randomly approached an agent 10 days ago, mentioning the Big Issue article (thought I’d give it one last go) and she came back to me within the day. Just completing the proposal to be sent out to publishers, so fingers crossed. Don’t think she’d have considered it if it hadn’t been for your article, so thanks again.”

So she found an agent a few weeks after the BI article published on 10 July 2017 and it took just a single day for her agent to reply to her pitch. And then by 10 days later she and the agent are completing the proposal for publishers (so she must also be signed). Then in March 2018 TSP is published. Quite a remarkable turnaround (for a first time author) given the amount of time and work that's usually required to publish a memoir/non-fiction book. I suppose it's plausible but it does seem incredibly quick.

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I agree the time from sign up to publication is way too quick. The only thing I would add is that a spring publication makes sense for a book like this so it’s possible, I suppose, that they rushed it to get it in their spring list.

Catwith69lives · 04/08/2025 10:09

FlyAgaricc · 04/08/2025 09:07

@Catwith69lives
Can you make out what the rest of the writing in the Paddy book says? Looks like "full moon" , "one of the hottest days of all time" and something about salad. Not Mousehole for salad?? I don't think they could afford a salad in that nice deli/ café at Mousehole. The Great Expectation note could be an authentic annotation - I can't see why they would add this retrospectively as it doesn't fit the narrative

mackerel salad, one of the hottest days on the trail

HatStickBoots · 04/08/2025 10:11

I’m sure I read somewhere that she had a “four book deal” with Penguin… but have just checked the Observer article and the BBC article regarding the delay of OWH.. and can’t find this written there and so I don’t know where I read it! It occurs to me that if there was a four book deal tgst Penguin would have suggested omitting her mother’s death from TSP and writing about it in a later book.

Catwith69lives · 04/08/2025 10:20

AldoGordo · 04/08/2025 07:49

Well spotted and intriguing about the Minack possibility.

Talking of margin notes and notebooks, last night I noticed something in the Big Issue piece - the one with RW's original email. The editor who commissioned RW in 2017 wrote the piece and described how the commission came about stating:

"Worried that Moth would forget their time together as his memory worsened, Raynor typed up a diary she had kept and gave it to him as a 50th birthday present. She was considering self-publishing the story but, in the meantime, wanted to write for us."

https://www.bigissue.com/culture/film/the-salt-path-raynor-winn-gillian-anderson-jason-isaacs-interview/

Not sure if this has been raised before or if you knew about this? Another inconsistency.

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Have sent you a PM

PrettyDamnCosmic · 04/08/2025 10:56

Fandango52 · 03/08/2025 21:47

Jason Isaacs must be very upset by all this. I think he’ll possibly be party to much more than we are which may point to even more of a lack of integrity on their part.

With that in mind, I wonder if Chloe H will attempt to get in touch with him or with Gillian Anderson - or has already done so - to try and see if they’ll talk to her off the record about Raymoth so she can build up a pattern of their behaviour?

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Jason Isaacs & Gillian Anderson are going to be saddled with this scandal for the rest of their careers. Questions will be asked about TSP & the WinnWalkers every time they are interviewed for years to come whenever they start promoting a new film or TV series.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 04/08/2025 10:58

Hyenana · 03/08/2025 18:18

Another (hopefully new) inconsistency for the list @AldoGordo ?
In this picture that has been posted before and is supposed to show SW on the SWCP (don't know the original source) there is a frying pan hanging on her backpack - a regular kitchen style pan.

But in the TSP packing scene she writes:
A self-inflating mat, the tiny gas stove, a gas canister, a stainless-steel pan with a handle that folded over to clip the lid shut.

That is clearly a VERY different pan to the one shown in the picture - the book version is one you'd take on a long hike, and the picture version looks more suited for a weekend trip.
Which confirms the idea they are passing off their holiday pictures as evidence for an episode of homelessness.

I'm also sceptical about the self-inflating mat - I used to own one and it was one of the most unneccessarily weighty and bulky camping items ever, taking up half of the packing space. What with them being so conscious of lightweight packing, I call BS.

It's not a frying pan it's a regular medium sized saucepan not a camping utensil. There is definitely no folding handle.

FloreatAmbridge · 04/08/2025 11:21

PrettyDamnCosmic · 04/08/2025 10:56

Jason Isaacs & Gillian Anderson are going to be saddled with this scandal for the rest of their careers. Questions will be asked about TSP & the WinnWalkers every time they are interviewed for years to come whenever they start promoting a new film or TV series.

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I think that's unlikely. Remember "The Lavender List" back in the 2000s? A BBC docudrama about Harold Wilson's resignation, which alleged he had an affair with Marcia Williams. Williams successfully sued the BBC for libel, and the show has been buried in the BBC archives ever since, banned from rebroadcast or released on streaming/DVD. All very embarrassing for everyone concerned. Yet how often does Gina McKee (who played Williams in the show) get asked about that fiasco?

TSP will undoubtedly be embarrassing for JI and GA. It will probably pop up in interviews for a couple of years (especially if OWH ever gets released) and as trivia associated with them. JI in particular will probably be asked about it for a while, as he can be quite frank in interviews.

But JI and GA are busy actors - they'll play other roles, which over time will be of more interest to readers than TSP. Nor do JI and GA have any personal accountability for the Walkers' misdeeds. If anything, their mistake seems to have been to be too trusting, and be taken in by the Walkers. A mistake it seems many others have made.

Fandango52 · 04/08/2025 11:27

FloreatAmbridge · 04/08/2025 11:21

I think that's unlikely. Remember "The Lavender List" back in the 2000s? A BBC docudrama about Harold Wilson's resignation, which alleged he had an affair with Marcia Williams. Williams successfully sued the BBC for libel, and the show has been buried in the BBC archives ever since, banned from rebroadcast or released on streaming/DVD. All very embarrassing for everyone concerned. Yet how often does Gina McKee (who played Williams in the show) get asked about that fiasco?

TSP will undoubtedly be embarrassing for JI and GA. It will probably pop up in interviews for a couple of years (especially if OWH ever gets released) and as trivia associated with them. JI in particular will probably be asked about it for a while, as he can be quite frank in interviews.

But JI and GA are busy actors - they'll play other roles, which over time will be of more interest to readers than TSP. Nor do JI and GA have any personal accountability for the Walkers' misdeeds. If anything, their mistake seems to have been to be too trusting, and be taken in by the Walkers. A mistake it seems many others have made.

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Agree with this.

I can think of many similar situations where actors are associated with a certain person because they worked with them or perhaps they played them in a film or TV series.

They’re often asked questions about that shortly after the situation happens, but often politely decline to answer, and with time, the situation calms down and they’re rarely asked about it again. I don’t see why this won’t be similar.

I don’t think JI or GA will be asked about it again after a few months have passed. That’s mainly because - to put it bluntly - I think the Winn-Walkers will stop being relevant in a few months’ time. And also, because Chloe H is doing all this investigating now, I think there’s very little that JO or GA can add that hasn’t already been said.

mauvishagain · 04/08/2025 11:53

Re JI bringing up the injunction. I wonder if he was told that the Walkers had had to sign an injunction to protect the other party. And that they couldn't give too much info because of the injunction, so that the inexplicable remained just that.

You can imagine it -JI feeling drawn to TW, so not thinking ill of him, and not querying this inexplicable injunction because how could this lovely man have done wrong?

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DisappointedReader · 04/08/2025 12:47

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 04/08/2025 09:10

That would make sense to me ifSalray had said she couldn’t say anything. But for JI to say it implies that he knew there was an investigation into them, which seems incredibly unlikely. They would have to have told him - why would they?

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I don't think it implies JI knew about the Observer investigation, I think it implies he knew about an NDA. I think he would have been told the version in the book, that they were conned by an old friend of Moth's and lost their house and holiday barn, and that an NDA was in place to protect that person's reputation. I suspect that was the reason given for why she couldn't talk about it on The One Show, rather than a)there being an NDA with the Hemmings to protect her from the embezzlement being made public knowledge and b) she risked exposure on the whole house of cards.

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101Seagulls · 04/08/2025 12:50

NDAs have been mentioned frequently on these threads but I cannot see anything that says RW signed an NDA. She refers to an agreement to settle with Hemmings on a " non admissions basis". A Non admissions clause is not an NDA and does not carry confidentiality protection. An NDA is something different altogether.

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DisappointedReader · 04/08/2025 13:01

mauvishagain · 04/08/2025 11:53

Re JI bringing up the injunction. I wonder if he was told that the Walkers had had to sign an injunction to protect the other party. And that they couldn't give too much info because of the injunction, so that the inexplicable remained just that.

You can imagine it -JI feeling drawn to TW, so not thinking ill of him, and not querying this inexplicable injunction because how could this lovely man have done wrong?

Yes, 'not being able to talk about' something prevents any awkward questions being asked in public.

It is obvious JI felt strongly at that time that Raymoth had been the victims of a great injustice and he was using his platform to speak out against it in support of them, especially of Timmoth. Like others, I wonder what JI thinks now.

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crossedlines · 04/08/2025 13:08

101Seagulls · 04/08/2025 12:50

NDAs have been mentioned frequently on these threads but I cannot see anything that says RW signed an NDA. She refers to an agreement to settle with Hemmings on a " non admissions basis". A Non admissions clause is not an NDA and does not carry confidentiality protection. An NDA is something different altogether.

Some reports have specified a NDA. Of course we don’t know which is accurate