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Maths test - to think Civil Service have it wrong?

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Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 21:58

I’ve just applied for a Civil Service test. Part of it is passing a numerical test.

This is the question.

The answer is 125%. I’m sure of it.

If you start with £100, and in the first year it doubles it’s £200. So at the of year one it’s £200.

In year two it trebles to £600.

It then falls by a quarter in the third year to £450.

So end of year 1 - £200.

End of year 3 - £450.

It’s increased by 125%.

125% isn’t an answer option.

WIBU to email and tell them they’ve got it wrong?

Maths test - to think Civil Service have it wrong?
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Bunnycat101 · 01/08/2025 23:10

So I’m now convinced there is something sneaky in the wording rather than the maths. Haven’t worked it out yet though!

Takoneko · 01/08/2025 23:10

There is nothing quite like a maths thread on mumsnet on a Friday night for attracting the confidently incorrect. At least this makes a change from the usual ones that involve people just not knowing the order of operations. Some of the responses here are truly baffling.

OP Is correct. I suspect the question writer typed end of year one when they meant to type start of year one. However, as the question is worded, none of their answers are correct.

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 23:10

Blueraccoon · 01/08/2025 23:05

Oh sorry, wasnt clear to me

First before arguing about the answer

I’m not arguing about the answer. I am right. No two ways. I asked whether to tell the recruiters that their test is wrong.

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cakeorwine · 01/08/2025 23:10

AnSolas · 01/08/2025 23:06

If we agree the £ is 450 with fixed results options?

Its poor english usage 🤷‍♀️

Your boss wants to do a projection.
Sales start at zero
You need the current % retained and then add on %

In theory it could be a cost cut of % reduction

If you start with 0 papers in circulation, and at the end of the year you are selling 100 papers, what has your circulation increased by in percentage terms.....

FumingTRex · 01/08/2025 23:10

I know whats happened here. The original question was correctly worded. Then it went through a number of layers of civil service managers who all made little tinkers and anendments so that it was incorrect. Get used to this if you want to work in the civil service.

Scrabbelator · 01/08/2025 23:10

Starting value (end of Year 1): 200
Final value (end of Year 3): 450
The increase is 450 minus 200 = 250
250 is 125% of 200
Answer is 125%

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 23:12

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 01/08/2025 23:05

To reiterate the answer is 225%

The question says from the end of year one to the end of year three.

It does not say between

therefore it is an accumulative growth percentage and the 300% increase in year two must be taken into account.

From the end of year one to the end of year three the percentage increase was 125%.

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irredeemablyperfidious · 01/08/2025 23:12

5foot5 · 01/08/2025 23:02

Yes but a numerical test to assess somebody's basic maths competency should have a right answer!

That’s why I asked what level of the Civil Service this was a test for.

If it’s assessing someone’s basic Maths competency I completely agree with you.

Samscaff · 01/08/2025 23:13

murasaki · 01/08/2025 22:10

Thats how I worked it.

No. As you say, it goes from 100 to 225. That is a 125% increase.

Blueraccoon · 01/08/2025 23:13

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 23:10

I’m not arguing about the answer. I am right. No two ways. I asked whether to tell the recruiters that their test is wrong.

Oh okay, in my opinion tell them you think they are wrong. I agree with you 👍

TheHateIsNotGood · 01/08/2025 23:14

And this is why we are led by donkeys. The asses set the questions and when people answer correctly they are incorrect because it differes from what the donkeys say.

Apparently, my undertanding of written English was similarly below par, according to the CS recruitment matrix. Really? Only if a donkey was marking me.

5foot5 · 01/08/2025 23:14

Bunnycat101 · 01/08/2025 23:02

I agree with you op and I suspect it’ll be an anomaly question scoring wise as I imagine that test question is one that is pitched at more senior grades where there will be lots of very numerate people taking the test. I have found though the tests at the more senior grades are deliberately designed to be ambiguous and awkward. If you’re not arguing with at least one question, you’ve most likely missed something.

How does that work with a multiple choice
If they want people to argue with a question surely there must be a way of doing that?

Smidge001 · 01/08/2025 23:14

shuggles · 01/08/2025 22:53

OP is correct. The answer is 125%.

First of all, just to be clear, OP's hypothetical numbers are correct. In essence, it's comparing £200 to £450.

The question is specifically worded as a "percentage increase." £450 is a 125% percentage increase above £200.

Similarly, £400 would be a 100% increase over £200.
£300 would be a 50% increase over £200, etc.

Removing the words "percentage increase"... then £450 is 225% of £200. But that's not what the question says.

I am extremely concerned that 69% of mumsnetters disagree with OP. That level of numerical illiteracy is astonishing, given the number of mumsnetters on very high salaries and working in financial jobs.

I don't think it's the case that 69% of mumsnetters disagree with the OP. (Hopefully, anyway!). The poll isn't asking whether her maths is right, but rather whether she should email and tell them their question is wrong.

They absolutely are wrong, but I don't think it would help her get the job by telling them such. Better to get the job and try to improve things from the inside (as a PP suggested).

Underthinker · 01/08/2025 23:15

There are various online "percentage increase" calculators that back OP up.

TBH I would have put 225% and not given it a second thought. I think in everyday language people would commonly say 200 to 450 has increased to 225% [of its value] but increased by 125%.

WimbyAce · 01/08/2025 23:15

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:51

Yes, this is what I’ll do. I passed the test anyway but annoying that it should’ve been with a higher percentage!

What answer did you put down then?

shuggles · 01/08/2025 23:15

cakeorwine · 01/08/2025 23:10

If you start with 0 papers in circulation, and at the end of the year you are selling 100 papers, what has your circulation increased by in percentage terms.....

This calculation requires dividing by 0, which is known to cause a nuclear-level explosion. Please do not write such dangerous responses in future.

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 23:15

TakeMeToAnIgloo · 01/08/2025 23:08

But was it marked as correct or not? You said you should have passed with a higher percentage, so it sounds like 225% wasn't counted as the correct answer after all either. (And I agree, it's not 225%, so that would be fine with me!)

Or did you put something else as the answer?

You don’t get individual marks, just a percentage.

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NebulouslyContemporaneous · 01/08/2025 23:16

The maths is easy. It is the language that is creating the problem. Whoever set the test is just misusing the term 'percentage increase'

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 01/08/2025 23:16

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 23:06

No. I am right based on the rules of maths. The question asks for the percentage increase from end of year one to end of year three. There is one possible answer.

You're right about one possible answer. Unfortunately you've misunderstood what they are asking for and didn't get the correct answer.

It seems that you are unwilling to accept all those explaining the calculation

So to conclude if I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong

SanctusInDistress · 01/08/2025 23:17

I really hope Daily Mail picks this thread up and does one of those ‘can you solve it’ articles so that the CS can fix the question.

cakeorwine · 01/08/2025 23:17

If you want to increase 200 by 125%, you need to multiply by 2.25

If you multiply by 1.25, you get 250 which is a 25% increase

So 200 * 2.25 = 450

So 450 / 200 = 2.25 which is a 125% increase

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 23:18

irredeemablyperfidious · 01/08/2025 23:12

That’s why I asked what level of the Civil Service this was a test for.

If it’s assessing someone’s basic Maths competency I completely agree with you.

To be honest I don’t know what level. I just seen the job, liked the look of it and applied. I had to take numerical, verbal and judgement tests.

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ItsFineReally · 01/08/2025 23:18

Jesus Christ.

Bunnycat101 · 01/08/2025 23:19

5foot5 · 01/08/2025 23:14

How does that work with a multiple choice
If they want people to argue with a question surely there must be a way of doing that?

It’s more that a lot of the tests have really ambiguous questions. When I’ve done some before, I’ve been quite cross with them as there could either be a few right answers etc and you often have to really think or they try and subtlety trick you. The more junior tests are straightforward but the senior ones are designed to be highly irritating. Now this one could just be a mistake but I’ve been reading and re-reading to see if I’ve missed something in the English rather than the maths.

cakeorwine · 01/08/2025 23:19

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 01/08/2025 23:16

You're right about one possible answer. Unfortunately you've misunderstood what they are asking for and didn't get the correct answer.

It seems that you are unwilling to accept all those explaining the calculation

So to conclude if I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong

When someone asks for a percentage increase, what do you think that means?

What do you get if you increase 200 by 100%?

a) 200
b) 400

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