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Maths test - to think Civil Service have it wrong?

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Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 21:58

I’ve just applied for a Civil Service test. Part of it is passing a numerical test.

This is the question.

The answer is 125%. I’m sure of it.

If you start with £100, and in the first year it doubles it’s £200. So at the of year one it’s £200.

In year two it trebles to £600.

It then falls by a quarter in the third year to £450.

So end of year 1 - £200.

End of year 3 - £450.

It’s increased by 125%.

125% isn’t an answer option.

WIBU to email and tell them they’ve got it wrong?

Maths test - to think Civil Service have it wrong?
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Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:10

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 01/08/2025 22:08

If you assign numbers, yes it's 125%

But just working out the % means you start with 100% at the end as that's the start

Goes up 3 x to 300%

Then goes down by 1/4 300 ÷ 4 = 75 so 300 - 75 = 225%

You do not start with 100%. What came before the end of Year One is irrelevant to the question.

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Sausagescanfly · 01/08/2025 22:11

brunettemic · 01/08/2025 22:08

Nope, you’re reading it in such a way as to prove your view right. In one year it doubled, at the end of the first year it hasn’t yet doubled because until year 2 starts that year isn’t complete. Once the year is complete, i.e. after the first year, it has then doubled.

By that logic, at the end of year 3 it hasn't turned fallen by a quarter. So it would be 500%.

RafaistheKingofClay · 01/08/2025 22:12

Actually ignore that, you are right. It’s asking for %increase.

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:12

brunettemic · 01/08/2025 22:08

Nope, you’re reading it in such a way as to prove your view right. In one year it doubled, at the end of the first year it hasn’t yet doubled because until year 2 starts that year isn’t complete. Once the year is complete, i.e. after the first year, it has then doubled.

Maths doesn’t have a view. It has a correct answer. If circulation doubles in a year, then by the last day of that year it has doubled.

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UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 01/08/2025 22:13

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:10

You do not start with 100%. What came before the end of Year One is irrelevant to the question.

Exactly

So it's starts at 100% because it's 100% of the number sold at that point

If it was from the start of year 1 you'd start with 100% x 2 = 200% x 3 = 600% - (600÷4) = 450%

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 01/08/2025 22:14

You're making 100 a number not looking at it as %

LegleEagle · 01/08/2025 22:14

You are completely right OP. There are some mad answers on here.

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:14

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 01/08/2025 22:09

Exactly
So it's 100% at the end of Y1 because it's the start number not 100% x 2 from the start of Y1

Whatever happened before the end of Year One is irrevant. It’s asking for the increase between the end of one and three.

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AyeDeadOn · 01/08/2025 22:14

I think you're correct OP

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:15

murasaki · 01/08/2025 22:10

Thats how I worked it.

You start with 0. It doesn’t matter what numbers you assign, the percentage between the end of one and three remains the same.

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Amoonimus · 01/08/2025 22:15

Steph7181 · 01/08/2025 22:09

Is it any wonder public sector productivity lags miles behind the private sector if this is indicative of the quality of people they employ.

What a pathetic dig.

brunettemic · 01/08/2025 22:15

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:12

Maths doesn’t have a view. It has a correct answer. If circulation doubles in a year, then by the last day of that year it has doubled.

No, because a year after (for example) 01/01/25 is 01/01/26…ergo it’s doubled in a year, which is the first day of year 2.

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:16

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 01/08/2025 22:13

Exactly

So it's starts at 100% because it's 100% of the number sold at that point

If it was from the start of year 1 you'd start with 100% x 2 = 200% x 3 = 600% - (600÷4) = 450%

No. It’s asking for the percentage increase between the end of year one and the end of year three. You can completely ignore anything which happened before the end of year one.

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Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:17

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 01/08/2025 22:14

You're making 100 a number not looking at it as %

You can choose any number. I just used it to illustrate the maths. The percentage increase using numbers or not using numbers remains 125%.

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murasaki · 01/08/2025 22:17

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:15

You start with 0. It doesn’t matter what numbers you assign, the percentage between the end of one and three remains the same.

As i see it, the end of year one is 100%. Doesn't matter that it doubled in the previous year. You then treble it and take a quarter off that leaving 225%.

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 01/08/2025 22:18

You could stick any number in

So 20 sold pre Y1, doubles to 40 at end of Y1
40 trebles to 120 at the end of Y2
120 falls by 1/4 to 90 at end of Y3
The % difference between 20 and 90 is not 125%, it's just over 400%

Which is why you don't add in numbers but work out with the %

Br1ll1ant · 01/08/2025 22:18

If year 2 end is x3 cf end year 1 you have a 300% increase. At year 3 end you’ve lost 1/4 (75%), so the change from end year 1-3 is 225%.
You need to ignore the first year entirely for the correct answer.

AlastheDaffodils · 01/08/2025 22:18

OP is right, the test is wrong. The answer is 125%. If circulation begins at 100 units, by the end of year one/start of year two circulation is 200 units. At the end of year two it’s 600 units, and at the end of year three it’s 450 units. (450/200)-1 = 125% increase.

For those who are saying 225% - yes it’s 225% of 200, but that’s a 125% increase on 200.

SunnySummerHols · 01/08/2025 22:18

I agree with you OP.
100% (£200) + 125% increase (£250) = £450

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:18

LegleEagle · 01/08/2025 22:14

You are completely right OP. There are some mad answers on here.

One of the things I love about maths is that the correct answer is the correct answer and not influenced by opinion. It has riled me that it can’t be answered correctly.

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123ZYX · 01/08/2025 22:19

is it definitely asking for the % increase or could it be asking what the end result is as a % of the starting figure? Are you able to share the exact wording of the question?

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 01/08/2025 22:20

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:14

Whatever happened before the end of Year One is irrevant. It’s asking for the increase between the end of one and three.

Yes so from 100% of the circulation because at the end of Year One the circulation is 100%

Not the number 100

The %

RafaistheKingofClay · 01/08/2025 22:21

murasaki · 01/08/2025 22:17

As i see it, the end of year one is 100%. Doesn't matter that it doubled in the previous year. You then treble it and take a quarter off that leaving 225%.

Circulation at the end of year 3 is 225% of circulation at the end of year 1.

The increase in circulation is 125% though. You are making the same mistake the person who set the question and I made.

AlastheDaffodils · 01/08/2025 22:21

Br1ll1ant · 01/08/2025 22:18

If year 2 end is x3 cf end year 1 you have a 300% increase. At year 3 end you’ve lost 1/4 (75%), so the change from end year 1-3 is 225%.
You need to ignore the first year entirely for the correct answer.

Nope. A 3x increase in something (ie ending number is three times larger than starting number) is a 200% increase on the starting number, not a 300% increase. 600 newspapers sold is a 200% increase on 200 papers sold.

The formula is (x/y)-1, not just x/y

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 01/08/2025 22:22

Oh and Maths doesn't always have an Exact answer....

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