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Maths test - to think Civil Service have it wrong?

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Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 21:58

I’ve just applied for a Civil Service test. Part of it is passing a numerical test.

This is the question.

The answer is 125%. I’m sure of it.

If you start with £100, and in the first year it doubles it’s £200. So at the of year one it’s £200.

In year two it trebles to £600.

It then falls by a quarter in the third year to £450.

So end of year 1 - £200.

End of year 3 - £450.

It’s increased by 125%.

125% isn’t an answer option.

WIBU to email and tell them they’ve got it wrong?

Maths test - to think Civil Service have it wrong?
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DeftShaker · 02/08/2025 11:44

HuntingtonHaven18 · 02/08/2025 11:43

I’m sorry if I am repeating. I have skipped all the posts. It’s 450% (Maths graduate) 🤓

You start with £100 then x2 then x3 then x0.75

2x3x0.75 is 4.5 = 450%

the 0.75 is a 25% decrease of the £600.

alternatively you can think: start with £100 and end with £450

100x4.5 is 450 so we use 4.5 which is 450%

Hahahaha

Rosscameasdoody · 02/08/2025 11:45

Purplecatshopaholic · 02/08/2025 11:27

If you actually want the job, rather than appearing to be that person, click 225% and move TF on..

Edited

Which would be marked as wrong if the examiner knew what they were about.

HornungTheHelpful · 02/08/2025 11:45

fruitywineglass · 02/08/2025 10:12

We also agree that the wording is awful

Genuine question, in what way is the wording awful? It clearly asks the difference between year one and year three. It's the answers which are awful.

That’s what it does not say. It asks for the % increase 🤦🏼‍♀️

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 02/08/2025 11:46

Clementina49er · 02/08/2025 08:28

You are right about the Maths, the problem is in the wording of the question. Decades of teaching English have taught me to put myself in the pupils' shoes and work out what they actually meant to say, so in your position since the right answer was not available I would have looked again at the question and probably come to the conclusion that they meant "from the first year" i.e. the original 100, not the 200 at the end of it, so I would have then given the answer which corresponded to that, rather than a random one.

I tried that but that answer (350%) wasn’t available anyway.

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Bgasfraudfraud · 02/08/2025 11:46

HuntingtonHaven18 · 02/08/2025 11:43

I’m sorry if I am repeating. I have skipped all the posts. It’s 450% (Maths graduate) 🤓

You start with £100 then x2 then x3 then x0.75

2x3x0.75 is 4.5 = 450%

the 0.75 is a 25% decrease of the £600.

alternatively you can think: start with £100 and end with £450

100x4.5 is 450 so we use 4.5 which is 450%

Thank you thank you thank you 🙏 I am not alone and a maths graduate who also agrees it is 450% is a glimmer of hope that I am not a total maths loser.

Everyone is calling me stupid because I want to go away from the wording interpretation and pick the answer that fits the maths from the drop-down.

miraxxx · 02/08/2025 11:47

HuntingtonHaven18 · 02/08/2025 11:43

I’m sorry if I am repeating. I have skipped all the posts. It’s 450% (Maths graduate) 🤓

You start with £100 then x2 then x3 then x0.75

2x3x0.75 is 4.5 = 450%

the 0.75 is a 25% decrease of the £600.

alternatively you can think: start with £100 and end with £450

100x4.5 is 450 so we use 4.5 which is 450%

Maths grad? Really?

Tryingtokeepgoing · 02/08/2025 11:47

HuntingtonHaven18 · 02/08/2025 11:43

I’m sorry if I am repeating. I have skipped all the posts. It’s 450% (Maths graduate) 🤓

You start with £100 then x2 then x3 then x0.75

2x3x0.75 is 4.5 = 450%

the 0.75 is a 25% decrease of the £600.

alternatively you can think: start with £100 and end with £450

100x4.5 is 450 so we use 4.5 which is 450%

Skipping posts is fine, but I do suggest you refer to the OP and the actual question, maths graduate or not 😂

Harrysmummy246 · 02/08/2025 11:47

Sharingaroomtinightthen · 01/08/2025 22:05

The question is from the end of year one until the end of year three.

The end of year one, if you’ve started with £100, would be £200.

The end of year three would be £450.

125% difference.

Plus the 100% you also have giving 225 as percentage of what you had.

HornungTheHelpful · 02/08/2025 11:48

Bgasfraudfraud · 02/08/2025 11:46

Thank you thank you thank you 🙏 I am not alone and a maths graduate who also agrees it is 450% is a glimmer of hope that I am not a total maths loser.

Everyone is calling me stupid because I want to go away from the wording interpretation and pick the answer that fits the maths from the drop-down.

Edited

Isn’t that the percentage increase from start y1 not end y1?

HuntingtonHaven18 · 02/08/2025 11:49

😳 oops my maths is fine but I had better put on my reading glasses. Ouch! Now I can see 225% ha ha .

this is why I am not in the civil service 😂

Franpie · 02/08/2025 11:49

DeftShaker · 02/08/2025 11:43

The start of year 2 and the end of year 1 is the same thing.

No it isn’t. From the end of year 1 takes into account year 1’s increase. From the start of year 2 ignores year 1’s increase.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 02/08/2025 11:49

Harrysmummy246 · 02/08/2025 11:47

Plus the 100% you also have giving 225 as percentage of what you had.

Edited

You need to re-read the question. 225% is an answer, just not to the question asked. The question doesn’t ask for an answer as a percentage of the starting lint. It asks for the percentage increase. Which is 125% :)

miraxxx · 02/08/2025 11:49

Bgasfraudfraud · 02/08/2025 11:46

Thank you thank you thank you 🙏 I am not alone and a maths graduate who also agrees it is 450% is a glimmer of hope that I am not a total maths loser.

Everyone is calling me stupid because I want to go away from the wording interpretation and pick the answer that fits the maths from the drop-down.

Edited

On the off chance you are not trolling, I posted this diagrammatic solution. I hope it helps.

Maths test - to think Civil Service have it wrong?
EricTheGardener · 02/08/2025 11:50

HuntingtonHaven18 · 02/08/2025 11:43

I’m sorry if I am repeating. I have skipped all the posts. It’s 450% (Maths graduate) 🤓

You start with £100 then x2 then x3 then x0.75

2x3x0.75 is 4.5 = 450%

the 0.75 is a 25% decrease of the £600.

alternatively you can think: start with £100 and end with £450

100x4.5 is 450 so we use 4.5 which is 450%

Oh god I could weep 😂

DeftShaker · 02/08/2025 11:50

Bgasfraudfraud · 02/08/2025 11:46

Thank you thank you thank you 🙏 I am not alone and a maths graduate who also agrees it is 450% is a glimmer of hope that I am not a total maths loser.

Everyone is calling me stupid because I want to go away from the wording interpretation and pick the answer that fits the maths from the drop-down.

Edited

I am skeptical thar poster is a maths graduate l.

If Year 3 is 450
And the year before that (Year 2) was 600
Then the year before that (Year 1) was 200

The poster is not successfully countering to 3.

And, to find the increase between 2 figures, you subtract one from the other.

450-200 = a 250 increase

Which, as a % of year 1, is 125%.

Tandora · 02/08/2025 11:51

HuntingtonHaven18 · 02/08/2025 11:49

😳 oops my maths is fine but I had better put on my reading glasses. Ouch! Now I can see 225% ha ha .

this is why I am not in the civil service 😂

It’s 125%

Blinkingbother · 02/08/2025 11:52

Yeah - starting to assume the recent ‘math graduates’ who’ve joined are trolling- if not, and they’re of an age to have paid fees, I think they should be requesting a refund!

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 02/08/2025 11:53

HuntingtonHaven18 · 02/08/2025 11:49

😳 oops my maths is fine but I had better put on my reading glasses. Ouch! Now I can see 225% ha ha .

this is why I am not in the civil service 😂

No, the PERCENTAGE increase is 125%.

You are just multiplying and not finding the percentage increase.

BrickBiscuit · 02/08/2025 11:53

miraxxx · 02/08/2025 11:47

Maths grad? Really?

Yes, maths. Not English!

EricTheGardener · 02/08/2025 11:54

Blinkingbother · 02/08/2025 11:52

Yeah - starting to assume the recent ‘math graduates’ who’ve joined are trolling- if not, and they’re of an age to have paid fees, I think they should be requesting a refund!

Totally! It's staggering! I'm feeling second-hand embarrassment for them. But yeah, I think you're right - must be some trolling going on.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 02/08/2025 11:56

EricTheGardener · 02/08/2025 11:54

Totally! It's staggering! I'm feeling second-hand embarrassment for them. But yeah, I think you're right - must be some trolling going on.

I hope so as I only have a B in O level maths so I can't see how they could get basic percentages wrong.

EricTheGardener · 02/08/2025 11:56

As a CS, I am looking forward to seeing if anyone shares this thread on our Slack channels on Monday.

Samscaff · 02/08/2025 11:56

Bgasfraudfraud · 02/08/2025 11:46

Thank you thank you thank you 🙏 I am not alone and a maths graduate who also agrees it is 450% is a glimmer of hope that I am not a total maths loser.

Everyone is calling me stupid because I want to go away from the wording interpretation and pick the answer that fits the maths from the drop-down.

Edited

No. Both of you have ignored the fact that they are asking for the increase from end of Year 1, so the doubling from the beginning to the end of Y1 is irrelevant. The increase, using your figures, is from £200 to £450. That’s an increase of £250, which is a 125% increase from our starting figure of £200.

I assume you agree that if the sales had doubled in that time, that would have been an increase of 100%. In fact it was a bit better than doubling - not just the same again (doubling) but an increase of one-and-a-quarter times the starting figure, i.e. 125%.

Bgasfraudfraud · 02/08/2025 11:57

@Samscaff 125% is not an answer on the drop-down. If you had to pick one answer from the drop down what would it be?

If you all forget about the obsession with taking the end of year 1 as the base figure and use the actual base figure the only answer in the drop down that fits the maths is 450%.

This is logical to me and a maths graduate agrees.

Idontpostmuch · 02/08/2025 11:58

DeftShaker · 02/08/2025 11:50

I am skeptical thar poster is a maths graduate l.

If Year 3 is 450
And the year before that (Year 2) was 600
Then the year before that (Year 1) was 200

The poster is not successfully countering to 3.

And, to find the increase between 2 figures, you subtract one from the other.

450-200 = a 250 increase

Which, as a % of year 1, is 125%.

Why would poster lie? Nothing to gain, so almost certainly IS Math graduate. Maths is different from the basic arithmetic covered by the question. Quite possible to be a Whizz Kid at Calculus etc and still be caught out arithmetically. Besides, the disagreement on this thread seems to be about interpretation of question rather than numeracy.

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