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What are the real reasons why Israel does not allow journalists in the country?

37 replies

EddyF · 01/08/2025 12:50

How is this accepted?

How is the world so weak that we can watch Palestinians be murdered day in and day out and there is nothing we can do?

Watching it all feels like being in an abusive relationship that you can’t escape from. I cannot believe a nation can get away with such. They’re horrific.

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Robin67 · 01/08/2025 12:52

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CheezePleeze · 01/08/2025 12:54

How is this accepted?

What do you suggest others can do about it?

OneNeatBlueOrca · 01/08/2025 12:56

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But you all think that palestinians should be allowed to rape, murder, kidnap and torture with impunity.

Look back at the videos of the ordinary palestinians and children on the streets, celebrating the seventh of october massacre. It wasn't just hamas.

That's sick.

Hardlyworking · 01/08/2025 13:06

OneNeatBlueOrca · 01/08/2025 12:56

But you all think that palestinians should be allowed to rape, murder, kidnap and torture with impunity.

Look back at the videos of the ordinary palestinians and children on the streets, celebrating the seventh of october massacre. It wasn't just hamas.

That's sick.

Ah yes, and there's no videos on social media of Israeli citizens whooping and dancing in the street to celebrate woman and children killed in the latest genocidal attack from their government?

That is truly sick.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 01/08/2025 13:07

They don't want the world to know what they're doing. A recent BBC reporter wasn't allowed to film Palestine during an aid drop and the only reason for that is because it's a war crime to destroy civilian infrastructure.

familylawyer01392 · 01/08/2025 13:14

OneNeatBlueOrca · 01/08/2025 12:56

But you all think that palestinians should be allowed to rape, murder, kidnap and torture with impunity.

Look back at the videos of the ordinary palestinians and children on the streets, celebrating the seventh of october massacre. It wasn't just hamas.

That's sick.

Who's 'you all' and who has said they think this?

Parter74 · 01/08/2025 13:23

Wild guess - they don’t want the outside world to see what’s happening.

Ruby1985 · 01/08/2025 13:39

Because they ‘care’ soooo much about journalists lives apparently, when those same journalists have covered numerous war zones. It’s quite comical really!

It’s obviously to cover up what they are doing. Which is also why they are killing all journalists inside Gaza. Quite glad the world is waking up!

MakeMineADietCoke · 01/08/2025 14:48

There’s a whole section for these posts 🙄

Hoppinggreen · 01/08/2025 14:59

OneNeatBlueOrca · 01/08/2025 12:56

But you all think that palestinians should be allowed to rape, murder, kidnap and torture with impunity.

Look back at the videos of the ordinary palestinians and children on the streets, celebrating the seventh of october massacre. It wasn't just hamas.

That's sick.

I don't think ANYONE should be able to do those things, Hamas or The IDF
But they do

Hoppinggreen · 01/08/2025 15:10

familylawyer01392 · 01/08/2025 13:14

Who's 'you all' and who has said they think this?

Anyone who thinks that Israels actions in Gaza are anything other than completely justified I imagine

MissyB1 · 01/08/2025 15:15

Ruby1985 · 01/08/2025 13:39

Because they ‘care’ soooo much about journalists lives apparently, when those same journalists have covered numerous war zones. It’s quite comical really!

It’s obviously to cover up what they are doing. Which is also why they are killing all journalists inside Gaza. Quite glad the world is waking up!

Yep this sums it up.

notimagain · 01/08/2025 15:26

"the only reason for that is because it's a war crime to destroy civilian infrastructure."

There's quite a bit more to it than that, as I'm sure the reporter was aware.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 01/08/2025 15:28

notimagain · 01/08/2025 15:26

"the only reason for that is because it's a war crime to destroy civilian infrastructure."

There's quite a bit more to it than that, as I'm sure the reporter was aware.

I don't believe they were flying over 'aid centres' where civilians were being shot, so am not sure what you mean. Care to explain?

Newbutoldfather · 01/08/2025 15:36

It is very hard to imagine a good reason for it.

Israel has said that they cannot guarantee journalists’ safety, and urban combat zones are pretty lethal, but if journalists want to go in, why shouldn’t they?

Israel keep saying that what the world is hearing is wrong, that there is no starvation and, what little there is is caused by Hamas taking the food.

Well, if that were the case, why not allow journalists in to clear things up?

LadyCankleOfGrantham · 01/08/2025 15:37

OneNeatBlueOrca · 01/08/2025 12:56

But you all think that palestinians should be allowed to rape, murder, kidnap and torture with impunity.

Look back at the videos of the ordinary palestinians and children on the streets, celebrating the seventh of october massacre. It wasn't just hamas.

That's sick.

This.

A VERY twisted picture of the “poor defenceless Palestinians” has been painted by various powerful factions and people are falling for it and using anti-Semitic tropes about Israel (the very same tropes that got people supporting the Holocaust in the 1930’s and 40’s) all whilst patting themselves on the ack for being so progressive. And also falling for the words coming from a comms and PR outfit run by a literal terrorist organisation who have it in their charter to kill all Jews.

The naivety from supposedly intelligent and educated people is embarrassing.

I also find it interesting that people are behaving like this is the first conflict they’ve ever come across. it’s also interesting that of all the conflicts happening in the world, and all the conflicts that have happened previously, words relating to the Holocaust are always mentioned when talking about Palestine. I wonder why

notimagain · 01/08/2025 15:37

MiloMinderbinder925 · 01/08/2025 15:28

I don't believe they were flying over 'aid centres' where civilians were being shot, so am not sure what you mean. Care to explain?

It's the blanket statement that "it's a war crime to destroy civilian infrastructure " with no qualifiers or context that's the problem..

LadyCankleOfGrantham · 01/08/2025 15:38

I mean it took just 1 post before the whining about anti-semitism accusations started.

KTheGrey · 01/08/2025 15:43

EddyF · 01/08/2025 12:50

How is this accepted?

How is the world so weak that we can watch Palestinians be murdered day in and day out and there is nothing we can do?

Watching it all feels like being in an abusive relationship that you can’t escape from. I cannot believe a nation can get away with such. They’re horrific.

Why doesn’t Egypt open their border? How is this accepted?

Why should any country be allowed to close
their border for any reason?

Goes back to Hobbs and nation states. Borders are still a thing.

LadyCankleOfGrantham · 01/08/2025 15:46

KTheGrey · 01/08/2025 15:43

Why doesn’t Egypt open their border? How is this accepted?

Why should any country be allowed to close
their border for any reason?

Goes back to Hobbs and nation states. Borders are still a thing.

Egypt clearly want nothing to do with Palestinians or giving them aid, yet they aren’t shouldering their share of the blame.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 01/08/2025 15:49

notimagain · 01/08/2025 15:37

It's the blanket statement that "it's a war crime to destroy civilian infrastructure " with no qualifiers or context that's the problem..

I did provide a link which explained that:

Carrying out hostilities with the knowledge that they will systematically destroy and damage civilian housing and infrastructure, rendering an entire city – such as Gaza city - uninhabitable for civilians is a war crime,” said Balakrishnan Rajagopal, the UN Special Rapporteur on the right to adequate housing.

The expert said systematic or widespread bombardment of housing, civilian objects and infrastructure are strictly prohibited by international humanitarian law, criminal law and human rights law.

“Such acts amount to war crimes and when directed against a civilian population, they also amount to crimes against humanity,” Rajagopal said.

And they're finishing

Israel levelling thousands of Gaza civilian buildings in controlled demolitions - BBC News

Investigation by BBC Verify using satellite images and verified footage to show the extent of destruction in Gaza, where the Israeli military have carried out demolitions to raze entire towns and suburbs

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-33fccfbe-abcc-4af1-bdd2-632b2787cf59?_kx=dI8ZHXspwG39o0K7egYCaHmJ707pvTFfeh1aRLfuXiU.VVEwpW

Newbutoldfather · 01/08/2025 15:51

@LadyCankleOfGrantham ,

You are partially right but, as a Jew, I still despise what Israel is doing in Gaza, and how the demographics are evolving in Israel.

Imagine if in the UK Tommy Robinson and Nick Griffin had been given cabinet positions and were suggesting relocating all Muslims from London due to the terrorist attacks of 2005.

What Israel is doing is more shocking because they are (maybe were) a liberal democracy with fundamental ethical values.

The Jewish nation and many of the liberal diaspora (and a fair proportion of the Israeli population) are facing a schism due to the way Israel is acting in Gaza.

As someone who lost family members in the holocaust (luckily not close ones), the sanctity of all human life was brought home to me as a child, as well as not ‘othering’ people.

However clever you are militarily, however powerful your support, if you lose your core values and sink to the enemy’s level, you may win the battle but you will lose the war.

OneNeatBlueOrca · 01/08/2025 15:51

KTheGrey · 01/08/2025 15:43

Why doesn’t Egypt open their border? How is this accepted?

Why should any country be allowed to close
their border for any reason?

Goes back to Hobbs and nation states. Borders are still a thing.

Egypt border is far stronger than Israels. Egypt could open the border and could have opened it nearly 2 years ago. They refuse to allow their fellow Arabs sanctuary. Gazans could have taken refuge in Egypt. Israel cleans out Hamas with very few civilian casualties and then it is rebuilt and they return.

Jordan could allow the palestinians in the West Bank refuge in Jordan.

None of their Arab Muslim brothers want them. Why? Because they're trouble. Historically when any country takes in Palestinian refuges they get a problem with terriosm.

Look at the history with Jordan taking them in.

Muslim Arab neighbouring countries are standing and watching what Israel is doing. They dont want to intervene. Ask yourselves why.

KimberleyClark · 01/08/2025 15:56

OneNeatBlueOrca · 01/08/2025 15:51

Egypt border is far stronger than Israels. Egypt could open the border and could have opened it nearly 2 years ago. They refuse to allow their fellow Arabs sanctuary. Gazans could have taken refuge in Egypt. Israel cleans out Hamas with very few civilian casualties and then it is rebuilt and they return.

Jordan could allow the palestinians in the West Bank refuge in Jordan.

None of their Arab Muslim brothers want them. Why? Because they're trouble. Historically when any country takes in Palestinian refuges they get a problem with terriosm.

Look at the history with Jordan taking them in.

Muslim Arab neighbouring countries are standing and watching what Israel is doing. They dont want to intervene. Ask yourselves why.

Edited

Because they don’t want Israel to bomb their citizens to smithereens. Which they would do if they thought those countries were any threat to them. And they would consider them a threat if they offered any support or succour to the Palestinians.

notimagain · 01/08/2025 16:07

MiloMinderbinder925 · 01/08/2025 15:49

I did provide a link which explained that:

Carrying out hostilities with the knowledge that they will systematically destroy and damage civilian housing and infrastructure, rendering an entire city – such as Gaza city - uninhabitable for civilians is a war crime,” said Balakrishnan Rajagopal, the UN Special Rapporteur on the right to adequate housing.

The expert said systematic or widespread bombardment of housing, civilian objects and infrastructure are strictly prohibited by international humanitarian law, criminal law and human rights law.

“Such acts amount to war crimes and when directed against a civilian population, they also amount to crimes against humanity,” Rajagopal said.

And they're finishing

Edited

Yes I read that and I know what he said, but the Laws of Armed Conflict and Geneva Conventions do allow exceptions.

I'm not saying such exceptions applied in the exact circumstances he is referring to but nevertheless destroying civilian infrastructure is not always and is not automatically a war crime, which was what was implied in your post.

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