What are the real reasons why Israel does not allow journalists in the country?

[EddyF]

How is this accepted?

How is the world so weak that we can watch Palestinians be murdered day in and day out and there is nothing we can do?

Watching it all feels like being in an abusive relationship that you can’t escape from. I cannot believe a nation can get away with such. They’re horrific.

@OneNeatBlueOrca

Israel cleans out Hamas with very few civilian casualties and then it is rebuilt and they return.

It's cute you believe that.

Yet another thread, with no relation to historical accuracy. In fact, no history extending beyond 1948. No idea about how hated the Jewish population is and their efforts at self determination, dating back centuries. This oversimplification of Israel bad v Palestine good is responsible for deliberate distortion of facts. I suppose it's easy to join a crusade, of which no research is necessary - just hop on that bandwagon and signal that virtue.

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Who’s gonna tell this poster about Israeli settlers raiding Palestinian homes virtually daily in the West Bank, committing violence and setting fire to people’s homes. How civilized, eh?

I don’t agree with all of Israel’s actions, my point is the way this conflict is spoken about. It’s spoken about in antisemitic terms especially with Holocaust comparisons (the IHRA’s charter to which dozens of countries are signed up for state this is antisemitic, which it is as nothing is comparable to the Holocaust) and conversations - including some on this thread - are peppered with ancient antisemitic and hateful stereotypes that Jews “play the victim”, cover things up, are out to get everyone, don’t deserve rights and I’ve even seen theories about blood libel. It hurts everyday Jews even non zionists and Jews who are pro Palestinian.

there’s a reason antisemitic attacks rise after October 7th. History has taught us that when someone is violent against Jews, the world gleefully joins in, thinking it’s ok because someone else started it first.

Hamas are a real danger to Jews the world over. Anyone buying that they’re just nice people who want a cease fire and want to return the hostages are at best, deluded, and worst, neo-Nazis. But nobody ever wants to talk about out that because the whatabboutery starts and anyone not towing the “defenceless Palestinians” line is told to STFU

Hamas are a real danger to the soft westerners, once they've finished with the Jews. Those westerners just don't see it. Only problem is, by playing into the Israel is the enemy scene, they are endangering the rest of us. Things are happening in the UK but they wont believe it. Look at the Iranian's foiled attack in the UK and some of this lot still marched for Iran! Imagine Hamas allowing non partisan journalists to be left to report, without being chaperoned. No chance.

Then let the international media in. Reports will then not come from either side, but from independent observers.

Oh no wait! Then they would have to face the truth

Any genocide is comparable. It doesn't matter that you don't like that. Starving and killing a population is never ok.

Yes this is how I see it

and there’s the uk and the us, saying how they want a free press, actively supporting a war suppressing it

My personal opinion is that Israel will not allow independent journalists ( not even Israeli ones) into Gaza because they not only want control over the people, food, water, power, medicine etc going in or out of Gaza but also the information going in/out.

It is one reason why they shut off the power grid to Gaza and have bombed every solar panel on homes, in farms, on hospitals, even panels for water desalination or sewage treatment…any solar panel that pops up it’s a target. You can’t send videos without power. The doctors giving updates from the hospitals were doing what a journalist would do…so IDF had to then destroy hospitals to destroy this flow of eye witness evidence information.

Despite this, due to the heroic efforts of local journalists and medical professionals local & humanitarian (ie MSF) some information is getting out of Gaza to the world, but Israel doesn’t have full freedom of the press (the war has caused a lot of military censorship to be invoked).

I think most importantly the Israeli government do not want Israeli residents to know the full extent of what is happening in Gaza. History teaches us that a government needs public support to continue a war, especially if that war has gone beyond proportionality and there is no existential threat- ie a war fought to gain land/resources. And this strategy has worked for almost two years. The trickle of information that did get to the Israeli public could be dismissed as Hamas propaganda for only so long. The more the West picked up on events and published what is really going on, the more Israelis are noticing and questioning their government. The protests have been growing against the war within Israel, slowly but surely.

@LadyCankleOfGrantham
”It’s spoken about in antisemitic terms especially with Holocaust comparisons (the IHRA’s charter to which dozens of countries are signed up for state this is antisemitic, which it is as nothing is comparable to the Holocaust)”

While this is true, I think that when Israeli Holocaust scholars compared Hamas to Nazis is when nonIsraelis and nonJews started thinking that Holocaust comparisons were something that could be discussed in the context of the Gaza war:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-a-holocaust-scholar-thinks-comparisons-with-the-oct-7-hamas-massacre-are-valid/

At some point in 2024, critics of the war started to see the threat of a genocide unfolding in Gaza. The response was often “but it’s nothing like the Holocaust” to which the rebuttal has generally, from what I have seen, been a genocide doesn’t have to be like the Holocaust (worst genocide ever in modern history) to be a genocide.

I don't need to come on here to find anti semitic remarks. I hear enough of them in the workplace