To ask anyone in the NHS how day surgery lists are determined?

[ScuderiaSedici]

As above

I was the most simple case for stomach surgery and I was last. I was gutted as they told me to go in at 7 so I stupidly thought that meant I was first . Just always assume you’re last so you’re not disappointed. Im the least patient person I know and caught myself getting grumpy about it and realised it was my own fault for assuming

STOP EVERYONE, PLEASE!

@ScuderiaSedici has been posting relentlessly on this and at least one other thread all day. Not once has she thanked any of the many people who have experience in the field for their advice and she has become ruder and ruder in her responses. She hasn’t listened to anyone and has cherry picked the information to ‘nobody cares about me, knows how to do their job and I will be left starving all day long while others less deserving than me are seen.’

Let’s stop feeding this one and send our sympathies to the staff who are blessed with her company.

When my son had day surgery we were told to be there at 7. We watched a series of people go, come back after a short period and leave within two hours. He went last at 3.30. came back over two hours later and told the day unit was closing at 8 but he couldn't be discharged he needed to be observed for a certain number of hours after a GA. He declined a bed on surgical ward, said he was living in a student house with 7 other student nurses in their third year and he'd be fine. I was worried but he was fine.

I could never understand why they did him last when they knew he would need to be transferred to a ward overnight. Seemed a crazy waste of a bed to me. So I have no idea how they work it out.

Medical need first (so anyone with diabetes/Addisons etc that need to go first or with needs that mean they couldn't cope with a day of waiting)

I’m not trolling. I’m anxious, wound up and stressed. I know on Mumsnet a lot of people expect everyone to be emotionless and perfect, but that’s not how it works.

I had a hip arthroscopy and labral repair in March was told on admission to day surgery unit I was second I kept getting bumped and ended up going down at 2:20pm for a 3 hour surgery

didn't realise this @MatildaTheCat, posted, myself, about half an hour ago.

So frustrating, I agree

It depends on lots of factors. I’m allergic to latex so always have to go in first (have had lots of surgeries sadly)

I’ve also not been “posting relentlessly” on another thread either, so I don’t know what You’re on about

Oh god this reminds me that I accidentally ate the crust from my kids toast and remembered when they asked if I had fasted. When I told them (as they were about to take me down) they then made me wait another 6 hours. Worst day of my life 😂

and how, exactly, are you trying to alleviate that?

You are working yourself up into a frenzy @ScuderiaSedici, it really is not helpful FOR YOU

Sounds similar to me. Complex as they say

No if you look at what I posted about my son he was having the longest op, presumably the most anaesthetic and needed to be observed longest after the op so it would have made sense to do his early so he wouldn't need a bed overnight on a ward. Not that he actually took the advice and stayed in but that's a separate issue.

This isn’t remotely true, I’ve been taken in for surgery at 5pm before. It’s really rude and disrespectful to staff and patients to just up and leave… do you need the surgery or not? Also if you just leave, you might get discharged.

I need to have control. I suspect I’m autistic (backed up by my parents, but I can’t afford a private diagnosis). I need to be in control and the thought of being out of control quite honestly is unbearable to me. To the point I have anxiety attacks

I hope you are doing well now xx

I had to be on the ward, fasted by 7.30am.

The list order changed, and my place was moved back due to problem with a previous patient.

It was 1pm when I went and I needed 6 hours of lying flat (it was a kidney op), so there a long time.
Never once did i think to complain that I wasnt seen quicker. Staff were fantastic and I was very grateful to have the procedure done.

What do you think they’re doing? They’re operating on other people

As others have said, it really can vary based on the type of procedure, urgency of cases, existing medical conditions etc.

It also depends on the surgeon. A relative of mine has type 1 diabetes and was meant to be first on the list for a (general anaesthetic but straightforward otherwise op) - as they were nil by mouth. Surgeon waltzed in late, didn't check the list properly (admitted to it), put my relative last on the list, and refused to change it once we pointed it out.

So... you never know.

I’ve had lots of surgeries and it seems to be by consultant’s request. I think it may be slightly different as the speciality and surgeon has the theatre for the day. So what he wants to do when is what happens. Once I went first because I was the least complicated case. Another time it was just me all day because surgery expected to take 6 hours (arrival at 7am, went in about 8:30am), but actually it took 9 hours and we finished at 6pm.

There have been times when I’ve missed my slot though because of cannula issues (they couldn’t get it in, then it fell out, then vascular access had to come, then they got the air ambulance guy to come down because he’s really good 😂). So I had to wait because I was causing a delay and they took someone before me. Similar when dd had surgery. The girl across the hall was cannulated and did all the consents faster.

And you are also being breathtakingly rude to posters who are trying to help you. I hope to God you aren't going to be as rude as this to the hospital staff.

I think after waiting near on two years to get the op, im allowed to be pissed off that they’re going to have me sitting till 6pm.

How do you know this is going to happen?
Even the staff don't know until the day where patients are on the list.

I spent all day yesterday waiting for DD to have a procedure. It was an early afternoon one, but she hadn't eaten for 24 hours when she had it done. Yes, she was very hungry, but she didn't bellyache on and on about it the way you are.

You have no idea how anxiety provoking it is, and clearly neither do the doctors or nurses on this thread!

Wrong on both counts.

But there are going to be situations - like this one - when you don't have control. You are going to need to be able to manage it on the day as you presumably need this surgery.

Tell them that.

They want to work with you, not against you. They will do their best to accommodate your needs but they can't do that if you don't talk to them.

Surgery is unpredictable, you can't control it and I understand how frightening that is. You will get through it though and after waiting for 2 years, this last bit of waiting will be worth it.

Im doing better thankyou I hope the same for your son xx

If you're paying that much tax then go private like most people with a high income do.