To not understand how the situation in Gaza is being allowed to continue

[Jenry]

What the hell. How are we allowing children to starve
what kind of justification do Israel have and where are the people who are meant to keep us safe
I don’t see how anyone can defend this
it’s shocking

Indeed. People don’t realise the depth of Hama’s hate towards Jews.

We also need to remember Palestine is governed by a terrorist organisation that hates women and Jews, and their comms and PR outfit are Hamas members. I think people should not be so trusting of the official spokespeople who are taking on behalf of Gaza.

The issue also is if there’s a ceasefire, Hamas won’t be nice and leave Jews alone. It will be October 7th x 1,000. Hamas should be taking a majority share of the blame for what’s happening to their people. It’s deplorable, and they could stop it happening but they don’t care for their own

Don’t fall for the antisemitic line anyone who’s genuinely concerned for this genocide, for people slowly starving to death being mercilessly shot when trying to get aid.

It’s used to excuse them and to silence you.

To deliberately change the narrative, to threaten people of being perceived as antisemitic or the other one used abundantly to silence is accusing people of being pro hamas.

So should Israel just forget about the 50 remaining hostages?

I mean I know we live in a wet wipe country that would do nothing if our people were taken murdered raped and held hostage but Israel have the right to fight for their own.

Let’s face it, a Jewish state was always gonna be hated one way or another, and has been since literal day 1 of existence.

I really hope you don’t have children because here we teach children that you can’t blame other people for your actions and decisions.

Does that extend to Hamas, a literal terrorist organisation who want to exterminate Jews, who impose Sharia law and could easily end so much of this but won’t?

Can I ask - if Israel called a ceasefire without returning hostages and became defenceless what do you think would happen to Jews? Not just in Israel but the world over?

You are very brave to go and it’s fantastic that you are able to help

So there’s no antisemitism happening around this conflict? It’s just a big old lie is it?

Im not theing to silence anyone - just don’t be antisemitic when talking about the conflict. It’s not hard but so many people seem to struggle not to do it.

@LadyCankleOfGrantham

A disgusting terrorist organisation is in charge of the civilian population of Gaza so it’s Hamas fault that Israel has taken the opportunity to ethnically cleanse them, slowly starve them, destroy them and their land well past any justified ‘response’.

Got it.

The world has seen this for what it is but the powerful elite allow it.

I’m not sure the melodrama, putting words in my mouth and punchy statements are helpful here.

If you want to discuss the conflict, let’s start small - why do you think Israel are at war with Palestine?

@LadyCankleOfGrantham

do NOT attempt to twist my words, I know it works on others, not me.

How you could attempt to twist my words into denying antisemitism exists is a prime example and proof of what I’ve said about people like you turning concern for innocent civilians into antisemitism…thank you for the proof.

It is 'allowed to continue' all over the world all the time, millions of children a year starved and murdered. Why would 'we' be able to stop it in Gaza when we have failed everywhere?

@LadyCankleOfGrantham

sorry it’s all a bit melodramatic for you, all these punchy statements and facts.

Two states full of grown ass adults can't sort their own shit out and the UK and other completely uninvolved countries are held responsible for not interfering like some overbearing MIL.
FFS.

Sorry what? How have I twisted your words?

You said “Don’t fall for the antisemitic line”

It’s pretty clear what you mean but if I’m wrong and you’re not indeed denying antisemitism, do you want to explain what you did mean?

Well indeed. It is interesting that so many people are behaving like it’s the first humanitarian crisis they’ve come across! What’s happening in Syria Yemen and China to mention just 3 is sickening and they barely get a look in.

I just prefer a two way nuanced conversation that’s all rather than attempt to shut down with statements like “murdering babies!”

@LadyCankleOfGrantham

its really quite simple and well explained but let me break it right down for you

A well used tired trope from the pro Israels actions with Gaza is to accuse people (who are just as aghast of Hamas) of being pro Hamas or anti Semitic when they highlight the horrific treatment, deliberate attempt of ethnic cleansing and starvation of Gaza’s civilians.

Sometimes it is subtle.

The argument used in your case to deflect and excuse is ‘but Hamas’.

We all know how evil Hamas is, we all know there had to be a just response to Oct 7th.

But no, that is still not an excuse for the utter scale and evil actions of Israel against ordinary Gazans. No matter how much you try to excuse it.

Maybe it’s the Palestinian government that’s at fault, if they returned the Israeli hostages A solution could be found

Are you speaking to the right person?

I’m not excusing it. I’m saying the blame can’t be laid solely at Israel’s feet.

Are you saying there’s no antisemitism coming from Hamas or the conversations around the Conflict and that Israel’s claims that there is are false?

@AnnaBalfour what WOULD be a measured and effective response to a terror organisation coming into a country kidnapping, murdering and raping in concert men and women and murdering people including children taken out their homes? How would you make sure this doesn’t happen again? Ask politely?

@defrazzled @LadyCankleOfGrantham

”ahh what’s all the fuss about? Just hundreds of thousands of children being starved, nothing to see here, it happens in other places too! As you were Israel, keep restricting the aid, shoot any starving people that come close, plus they’re only Gazans, not any important nation, just like other poor nations at war and starving such as africa etc , all good”

See this is what I mean by melodrama.

Nobody has said this, yet you persist in lying that we are saying there “no fuss” all whilst moaning that people are putting words in YOUR mouth.

So are you interested in a nuanced discussion about how and why we are where we are, or no? Is a two way civilise conversation too difficult for you? Are you afraid of views that don’t align with your own?

@LadyCankleOfGrantham

Good question. Let me ask you, do you think Israel’s response to the horrific Oct 7th has been “MEASURED” as you put it?

I fear so. In which case, your opinion disgusts me but it is your opinion and that’s fine.

But stop trying to minimise it.

And stop trying to imply support for Hamas or imply antisemitism to people who are heartbroken for the treatment of Gazans.

This is a weird argument.
Bad things happen so bad things should be allowed to continue to happen?

The reality for an Israeli with no other passport is a high risk of arrest, torture, murder if they visit most other middle eastern countries. You can see why they would burn the world down to keep their own kids safe and overreaction is a classic manifestation of trauma (which for Jews is embedded since literally biblical times).

It would be good if there were any adults in the international sphere who could take hold of things and guide them out of this. They must know that they are only creating thousands of future terrorist enemies with this approach but they're too committed to back down.

Israel needs moderate leadership desperately (don't we all).

“Are you saying there’s no antisemitism coming from Hamas or the conversations around the Conflict and that Israel’s claims that there is are false?”

From this statement or question I can tell you’re deliberately goading and being extremely disingenuous.

Again twisting my words. Never have I ever said or implied or defended Hamas. This has revealed that in your mind anyone concerned about the genocide is defending Hamas.

Effectively, because terrorist Hamas are anti Israel, the civilians deserve to be starved. That’s what your reasoning boils down to.

And you, unsurprisingly, speak hypocritically of ‘nuance’. If this weren’t such a serious subject it’d be hilarious.

Good luck with defending this genocide, history will judge you for it.