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To think it's crazy to be planning a holiday to the USA right now

298 replies

Fragmentedbrain · 26/07/2025 16:38

I know border control there has never been a relaxed experience but the risk of being detained arbitrarily for weeks or longer seems unacceptably high now.

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fannieadams · 26/07/2025 21:20

Enrichetta · 26/07/2025 17:33

He was asked several times why he lived in the UK if his father was a US citizen, why I wasn't a US citizen if I was his mother, and why he held a UK passport of if father was American. Bizarrely, he was also asked 'how long has he been your father?'

but if your son’s father is a US citizen, your son would most likely be too and therefore would have to enter the US on a US passport…

My son is a dual citizen and we had to register his birth with the US consulate and apply for his US passport. It's not an automatic process and a big pain in the backside as both parents have to attend in person. Then you have the privilege being taxed on worldwide income and have to file US tax returns.

ApplesinmyPocket · 26/07/2025 21:27

YouBelongWithMe · 26/07/2025 19:25

We contemplated a family holiday there next year but my son (18) flat-out refused to come. He's much more knowledgeable than we are in terms of geopolitics and said he thinks the USA is too unsafe and turned down a free holiday! So that was that.

Well, honestly... I'd let him grow up a bit before you start basing major decisions on his opinion.

Goldenbear · 26/07/2025 21:29

ApplesinmyPocket · 26/07/2025 21:27

Well, honestly... I'd let him grow up a bit before you start basing major decisions on his opinion.

He seems on the money to me.

Masmavi · 26/07/2025 21:33

Omg read the news 🙈

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 21:34

EyeLevelStick · 26/07/2025 21:20

I follow the news closely and haven’t seen a single shred of evidence that people with ESTAs who are not in violation of the ESTA rules have their phones examined and/or are denied entry because they don’t have booked accommodation.

Can you provide any?

I’ve read about people with a b2 visa who have been denied entry on landing due to not having accommodation booked.

EyeLevelStick · 26/07/2025 21:37

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 21:34

I’ve read about people with a b2 visa who have been denied entry on landing due to not having accommodation booked.

A B2 visa is not an ESTA.

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 21:39

EyeLevelStick · 26/07/2025 21:20

I follow the news closely and haven’t seen a single shred of evidence that people with ESTAs who are not in violation of the ESTA rules have their phones examined and/or are denied entry because they don’t have booked accommodation.

Can you provide any?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/german-tourists-deported-hawaii-cbp-b2736655.html

Teenage German tourists deported from Hawaii over ‘suspicious’ hotel booking

‘We had already noticed a little bit of what was going on in the U.S. But at the time, we didn't think it was happening to Germans,’ Maria Lepère says

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/german-tourists-deported-hawaii-cbp-b2736655.html

MarinaDelRay · 26/07/2025 21:43

RainSoakedNights · 26/07/2025 18:41

Don’t send them. All it takes is one agent deciding they don’t look right, and they’re off to a camp.

Oh FFS get a grip

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 21:46

EyeLevelStick · 26/07/2025 21:37

A B2 visa is not an ESTA.

Yes I’m well aware of that thanks. Hence why I specified in my post it was a b2 visa, for clarity. But the point is the same, someone with a valid tourist visa has been denied entry because they don’t have accommodation booked, 🤷‍♀️

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/07/2025 22:00

From the story linked in the one quoted beatofhawaii.com/why-these-hawaii-travelers-were-jailed-and-deported/;

Charlotte Pohl, 19, and Maria Lepere, 18, arrived in Honolulu from Auckland with plans to explore Hawaii before continuing to California and Costa Rica. However, their flexible travel style — including a lack of pre-booked lodging for their planned five-week Hawaii stay — raised red flags for U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

The ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) allows citizens of certain countries to travel to the U.S. for short stays without a visa. However, ESTA approval permits travel to a U.S. port of entry, where border officials have the final say on whether to grant entry.

In many cases, travelers without clear lodging plans, a well-defined itinerary, or proof of sufficient funds may be denied entry. U.S. officials may also raise concerns if they suspect a visitor could be planning to work illegally or stay beyond their permitted time. Even honest answers about working remotely or being flexible with travel plans can raise additional questions that may not end well for some visitors.

In this case, the travelers said their spontaneous, flexible travel style — common in places like New Zealand and Thailand — did not translate well when entering the U.S., where stricter documentation is often expected.
Germany’s updated travel advisory now explicitly warns that “entry to the United States is at the sole discretion of U.S. border authorities.”

SabrinaThwaite · 26/07/2025 22:01

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 21:46

Yes I’m well aware of that thanks. Hence why I specified in my post it was a b2 visa, for clarity. But the point is the same, someone with a valid tourist visa has been denied entry because they don’t have accommodation booked, 🤷‍♀️

Edited

Did that article say that she was deported because she didn’t have accommodation booked?

EyeLevelStick · 26/07/2025 22:01

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 21:46

Yes I’m well aware of that thanks. Hence why I specified in my post it was a b2 visa, for clarity. But the point is the same, someone with a valid tourist visa has been denied entry because they don’t have accommodation booked, 🤷‍♀️

Edited

But the rules and requirements for travel on a B2 are different to an ESTA. I specifically asked if there was evidence of issues with legitimate travel on and ESTA.

Two links have been posted above. In the first case of the two young women, other reports suggest one of them was travelling on a visa. In the second case he was travelling on a visa.

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 22:04

SabrinaThwaite · 26/07/2025 22:01

Did that article say that she was deported because she didn’t have accommodation booked?

Yes.

Eyesopenwideawake · 26/07/2025 22:06

SabrinaThwaite · 26/07/2025 20:28

Have you seen the travel advisories for entering the UK?

Here’s Canada’s official travel advice.

I never said the UK wasn't high risk.

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 22:11

EyeLevelStick · 26/07/2025 22:01

But the rules and requirements for travel on a B2 are different to an ESTA. I specifically asked if there was evidence of issues with legitimate travel on and ESTA.

Two links have been posted above. In the first case of the two young women, other reports suggest one of them was travelling on a visa. In the second case he was travelling on a visa.

And it seems in those cases they had abided by all the rules and requirements for the b2 visa. There is nothing in black and white saying you must have accommodation booked. Certainly the people I have seen posting on the PCT groups who have been turned away have been turned away specifically for not having accommodation booked, and it’s not realistic to book accommodation for a six month hiking trip.

But it seems that the lack of booked accommodation raises suspicions that the trip isn’t genuine…and that’s all it takes. So I’d assume regardless of whether it’s a b2 or an esta if the border guard have suspicions your trip isn’t genuine then you can be denied entry.

The OP was about being denied entry in general, not a specific esta thread. I appreciate the reply I quoted said esta but in my opinion the cases I’ve linked to demonstrate the wider issue/risk at the border. Like I said in a post earlier if you’re going for a two week standard vacation to Disney you probably don’t have anything to worry about. As long as you have accommodation booked!

SabrinaThwaite · 26/07/2025 22:12

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 22:04

Yes.

I must have missed that,

Can you quote it please?

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 22:15

SabrinaThwaite · 26/07/2025 22:12

I must have missed that,

Can you quote it please?

Officials became suspicious of potential illegal work intentions after learning the teens had not booked accommodation for their entire five-week stay in Hawaii, according to Beat of Hawaii.
“They found it suspicious that we hadn't fully booked our accommodations for the entire five weeks in Hawaii,” Pohl said. “We wanted to travel spontaneously. Just like we had done in Thailand and New Zealand.”

hth.

Why These Hawaii Travelers Were Jailed And Deported

Two young travelers expected their Hawaii trip to be the highlight of a long awaited world adventure. Instead, their arrival in Honolulu ended in handcuffs, jail, and deportation.

https://beatofhawaii.com/why-these-hawaii-travelers-were-jailed-and-deported/

SabrinaThwaite · 26/07/2025 22:29

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 22:15

Officials became suspicious of potential illegal work intentions after learning the teens had not booked accommodation for their entire five-week stay in Hawaii, according to Beat of Hawaii.
“They found it suspicious that we hadn't fully booked our accommodations for the entire five weeks in Hawaii,” Pohl said. “We wanted to travel spontaneously. Just like we had done in Thailand and New Zealand.”

hth.

No, you said it was the woman on the B2 visa that got deported because she didn’t have accommodation booked, and nowhere in the article you linked was that mentioned.

The two German girls were deported from Hawaii for not having accommodation booked.

Whilst I agree that the US is both unpleasant and aggressive in the way that it deals with people, this is nothing new. 30 years ago DH arrived Hawaii with no accommodation booked (backpacking) and faced full on questioning about what he was doing there.

TeenLifeMum · 26/07/2025 22:35

My brother lives in Canada and they usually travel to Maui most summers. This year they went to Mexico to avoid flying via America. We really want to visit family north of Chicago but are not rushing. Going to Greece this year and then we’ll see for next summer but I’m not sure.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/07/2025 22:38

The B2 woman was German hiker. She was not allowed entry because they thought she intended to work illegally.

This according to the blog linked above. Although that blog had incorrect information in it (the B2 visa does not allow 180 days at each entry…it’s 180 days in total) and no real corroboration to the story so I’m taking it with a grain of salt… but the story does sound plausible once you get past the dramatic account by the hiker.

SabrinaThwaite · 26/07/2025 22:39

SabrinaThwaite · 26/07/2025 22:29

No, you said it was the woman on the B2 visa that got deported because she didn’t have accommodation booked, and nowhere in the article you linked was that mentioned.

The two German girls were deported from Hawaii for not having accommodation booked.

Whilst I agree that the US is both unpleasant and aggressive in the way that it deals with people, this is nothing new. 30 years ago DH arrived Hawaii with no accommodation booked (backpacking) and faced full on questioning about what he was doing there.

And, @NigelPonsonbySmallpiece to add, this is what you said;

Yes I’m well aware of that thanks. Hence why I specified in my post it was a b2 visa, for clarity. But the point is the same, someone with a valid tourist visa has been denied entry because they don’t have accommodation booked,

HTH hunny.

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 22:48

SabrinaThwaite · 26/07/2025 22:29

No, you said it was the woman on the B2 visa that got deported because she didn’t have accommodation booked, and nowhere in the article you linked was that mentioned.

The two German girls were deported from Hawaii for not having accommodation booked.

Whilst I agree that the US is both unpleasant and aggressive in the way that it deals with people, this is nothing new. 30 years ago DH arrived Hawaii with no accommodation booked (backpacking) and faced full on questioning about what he was doing there.

I thought you were talking about the two German girls in Hawaii. If you just say “that woman” without being clear who you’re talking about it gets a bit confusing. I’m probably confused myself now. 😁.

The other German girl who was the through hiker it doesn’t specifically say accommodation but the overall theme was that they did not believe her story of being there for a holiday/hike. Having no accommodation will play a big part in that. There are numerous cases of overseas PCT hikers being turned away for the same. There was a Canadian woman quite recently who was turned away due to no accommodation and they didn’t believe that anyone could come to the USA with such little luggage and accused her of being a migrant. A lot of these aren’t reported/don’t make the news. I just read about them on r/hiking and the pct fb groups. Sure, it could all be made up bollocks I guess but I wouldn’t take the risk and would save a PCT hike for the post Trump years 👍

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 22:50

Parker231 · 26/07/2025 17:39

We’re an hour north of the border but don’t go to the US now - use to go weekly for shopping and lunch

I wonder how the people on Canusa street in Beebe Plain are managing?

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 26/07/2025 22:54

SabrinaThwaite · 26/07/2025 22:39

And, @NigelPonsonbySmallpiece to add, this is what you said;

Yes I’m well aware of that thanks. Hence why I specified in my post it was a b2 visa, for clarity. But the point is the same, someone with a valid tourist visa has been denied entry because they don’t have accommodation booked,

HTH hunny.

I don’t really get what your point is or quite why you’re being so stroppy, hunny.

is there any particular reason why you’re being so passive aggressive snarky? Are you this nasty in real life? Are you ok, like seriously are you ok?

Regardless of any confusion (mostly caused by your lack of clarity when you post questions about “that woman”), there are blatantly two cases of different German tourists being denied entry with valid reasons. One case clearly states due to lack of accommodation and the other very much implies it. Her lack of booked accommodation would have been one reason, probably the main reason, why they wouldn’t have believed her stated reason for her trip. It’s a common issue.