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To this is absolutely insane! Universal Credit Sanction

463 replies

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 12:18

Adult DD has had an absolute nightmare trying to get a job since she was fired just before Christmas,

She wasn’t happy in the role previous to that so applied for another, got it, gave her resignation. Three days into the new role, she was told, she wasn’t a good fit and immediately fired. She did absolutely nothing wrong btw.

This has massively affected her mental health. She’s never been fired before or been unemployed.

She has literally applied for over 1500 jobs since then, only got two interviews which she wasn’t successful at.

She missed a UC appointment in June. Not sure what exactly happened but she has evidence of her job search. At every appointment they tell her she’s applying for a lot of jobs and there’s noting they can do to help.

They have sanctioned her UC so she has only got £7!

According to the letter she has been sanctioned for 30 days for a first offence of missing one appointment after 6 months in which they have not helped her find a job!

She has an appointment later today and I’m planning to go with her to complain as she isn’t in the right head space to. I just think it’s totally disgusting! She lives at home luckily but can’t pay her phone bill even!

Imagine if she was living on her own and had no support!

AIBU to think this is extreme and unjustifiable punishment?

OP posts:
Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 13:53

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:52

MN Make sure you pay your way on a date because equality
Also MN Ignore sexism and misogyny at work

"Ignore sexism and misogyny at work".?

My rude manager is a woman.

Grammarnut · 23/07/2025 13:53

NaranjaDreams · 23/07/2025 12:32

The first sanction is not usually 30 days - it’s usually 48 hours plus whatever time it is until you go to the missed appointment.

Is this her next appointment? If so, that’ll be why. She needed to rebook for the next day, or as soon as possible.

She’s supposed to treat this like a job, and she’s agreed to do so in her commitments.

Make sure there’s ground for complaints before you do so, you don’t want to make it harder for her.

The benefit system sucks, tbh. But I wonder how come she was sacked after three days. Sadly, there is no protection for such a short stay - it could have been that someone further up the tree wanted a different person to have the job and there is no way of finding out!
The benefit system may suck, of course, but you have to play by the rules. She should say sorry and ask for help. 30 days is a long suspension?

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:54

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 23/07/2025 13:52

I think you should support your daughter but teach her to stand on her own two feet. Going to her meetings with her belittles her.
Also, how is job / interview / application ready if she is so depressed she is sleeping for 16 hours a day. I wouldn't hire someone in that frame of mind.

Did ppl miss that she was sexually assaulted on a train. Does it only matter when its well off women who are sexually assaulted.

Momstermash94 · 23/07/2025 13:55

Is she registered with a job agency? If she is willing to work in anything even if its not in her preferred field for a while they would be able to get her factory or warehouse work very quickly. I think her CV needs reviewing and amending if she's applied for over 1500 jobs and isn't getting interviews..

TwoFeralKids · 23/07/2025 13:56

Did she check her to do list, her journal? It needs to be checked weekly. It is part of the commitments.

MyUmberSeal · 23/07/2025 13:56

Your daughter sounds like she needs some help, perhaps with her mental health which doesn’t sound great at the moment. But that doesn’t absolve her from adult responsibility. Making sure she attends whatever appointments she needs to, getting out of bed and doing something, whether it’s exercise, voluntary work, a bit of online training, loads of free options online.

Op, I think you need to do what most parents struggle with sometimes, and that’s to see your daughter more objectively and not let your assessment of the situation be clouded by emotional attachment. That starts with her going to the next appointment, apologising and not allowing you to go and kick us a fuss about something that she brought on herself.

Liliwen · 23/07/2025 13:56

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:54

Did ppl miss that she was sexually assaulted on a train. Does it only matter when its well off women who are sexually assaulted.

Who has said it doesn’t matter that she was sexually assaulted because she’s not well off?

Steelworks · 23/07/2025 13:56

Your dc needs to get AI savvy when applying for jobs. If she doesn’t fit the criteria, she won’t get anywhere, even if she’s perfect for the job.

Has she contacted any recruitment agencies? Look for ones that specialise in her speciality. . Contact several, not just one or two.

Have different cvs tailored for different types of jobs.

My dp’s experience of the job centre, from signing on, is that they’re not really up to speed.

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 13:56

ShanghaiDiva · 23/07/2025 13:47

Or perhaps her Dd has missed more than one appointment?

Nope quite clearly says in the letter, the sanction is for an additional 7 days due to it being for the first missed appointment.

OP posts:
Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 13:57

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:52

MN Make sure you pay your way on a date because equality
Also MN Ignore sexism and misogyny at work

Its not sexism and misogyny. Its rude managers.

The rudest manager at my work is a woman. She is rude to everyone. She sends everyone rude, negative critical emails all the time. She is rude when she speaks to everyone

However she has been there for 8 years, i have been there three months, i am not going to go up to her and say "you are so fucking rude"
as she is not going to change, and i know she would find a way to fire me or manage me out the door, if i said it to her.

I just ignore her rudeness and i know that i wont be in that workplace forever. So two years from now i wont see her again anyway.

Viviennemary · 23/07/2025 13:58

Cara707 · 23/07/2025 13:41

I'm so sorry for your personal circumstances icantwaitforsummer. However you're being very judgemental of the OP's daughter. Benefits are not 'free handouts', they are paid for by taxes paid by all of her family and friends and she will contribute in her own taxes as soon as she finds work. She is obviously very keen to work and the system is set up to punish people who are struggling and vulnerable.

A wealthy society such as the UK's should support those who through no fault of their own cannot work or cannot find work.

Why on earth should the rest of us contribute taxes to pay for a young person who can't get out of bed and doesn't bother to turn up for appointments. The entitlement is off the scale.

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:58

Liliwen · 23/07/2025 13:56

Who has said it doesn’t matter that she was sexually assaulted because she’s not well off?

Oh come off it. The "buck your ideas up" attitude towards her on here demonstrates that. Dont be so bloody disingenuous. The assault has been completely glossed over on this thread.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 13:59

It is horrible that her managing director was such a rude asshole,

But your daughter needs to learn self preservtion and learn not to call the manager rude within the first week

Kibble19 · 23/07/2025 13:59

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:52

MN Make sure you pay your way on a date because equality
Also MN Ignore sexism and misogyny at work

Back in the real world…would you call out the MD of the company you work for a matter of hours into your employment for something similar?

You’ll tell me you would, of course, but anyone with any foresight wouldn’t do it in the manner that the OPs daughter did because obviously she was going to lose her job soon after. And obviously there would be no reference for a new employer. Anyone with an ounce of sense wouldn’t do what she done.

Steelworks · 23/07/2025 14:00

This may help

www.gold.ac.uk/careers/using-ai-for-your-job-search/

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 14:00

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:18

So what about ppl who have to miss work to attend a UC appointment.

Being at work is a "good reason" under the DWP's rule for not attending and the claimant would only be sanctioned if they didn't contact the DWP to explain why they can't attend and rearrange (this would only be for claimants who don't work full-time). I don't believe the DWP is calling full-time workers in for an appt with a work coach as that would be pointless.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 14:00

Viviennemary · 23/07/2025 13:58

Why on earth should the rest of us contribute taxes to pay for a young person who can't get out of bed and doesn't bother to turn up for appointments. The entitlement is off the scale.

Most civilised western nations have a base income for people that have become unemployed.

A swedish woman told me that in sweden, if you lose your job, you are guaranteed 80 percent of your previous income from the government while you look for a new job

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 14:01

Kibble19 · 23/07/2025 13:59

Back in the real world…would you call out the MD of the company you work for a matter of hours into your employment for something similar?

You’ll tell me you would, of course, but anyone with any foresight wouldn’t do it in the manner that the OPs daughter did because obviously she was going to lose her job soon after. And obviously there would be no reference for a new employer. Anyone with an ounce of sense wouldn’t do what she done.

No i wouldnt But equally managers should not be making rude comments about someones weight. OPS DD could have been an undercover journalist from Dispatches doing an expose on sexism at work for all he knew

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 14:02

The md of that company sounds like a prick so maybe she is better off out there anyway.

CurbsideProphet · 23/07/2025 14:04

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 13:56

Nope quite clearly says in the letter, the sanction is for an additional 7 days due to it being for the first missed appointment.

Has she requested a mandatory reconsideration of the sanction?

pinkdelight · 23/07/2025 14:05

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:52

MN Make sure you pay your way on a date because equality
Also MN Ignore sexism and misogyny at work

Also MN: use your brains and exercise judgement because context is all.

Liliwen · 23/07/2025 14:06

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:58

Oh come off it. The "buck your ideas up" attitude towards her on here demonstrates that. Dont be so bloody disingenuous. The assault has been completely glossed over on this thread.

She’s doing 50 job applications a week- I don’t think people think she’s not trying hard enough to get a job. I haven’t seen anyone say that being sexually assaulted doesn’t matter. OP didn’t mention it in her first post which is possible why not everyone has mentioned it in their replies as opposed to just ‘glossing over it’

pinkdelight · 23/07/2025 14:06

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 14:02

The md of that company sounds like a prick so maybe she is better off out there anyway.

Agree he's a prick but she's patently not better off depressed in bed for months on end. Always easier to get another job when you're already in one.

Plantladylover · 23/07/2025 14:06

HelloGreen · 23/07/2025 12:50

1500 job applications since Christmas is insane. Am I wrong that that’s over 200 a month (250?) and 8ish a day seven days a week?!

She can’t be tailoring her application each time.

I’d suggest she does far fewer but puts a lot more time/effort into each one. One or two a week with lots of care over it/them.

Edited

This,

Applying for over 1500 jobs shows must will not be tailor made but pretty generic. Employers will spot this a mile away

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 14:09

pinkdelight · 23/07/2025 14:06

Agree he's a prick but she's patently not better off depressed in bed for months on end. Always easier to get another job when you're already in one.

Yes i agree.

But in the long run, maybe she will get something better.

I wonder would she have a case for unfair dismissal?
Then she could sue for loss of future earnings

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