I am not sure I agree that Teachers have absolutely exhausting jobs - much more so than most jobs - as said by man on r4 this morning

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i am not sure what my dh, former welder would make of this statement

this is an argument regarding long summer holidays,

Do you know what makes me laugh is you know what’s really bloody easy- being a university lecturer. All the benefits of teaching but with adults and massively reduced timetable. People never seem to talk about how easy they have it with the same frequency as they do about school teaching 🤷🏼‍♀️

I have no beef with teachers but the 'don't get paid for holidays' isn't right surely? Say it's 30000 a year for example, they still get paid monthly at that sum without working?
It's not a pro rata salary, so it does kind of work out more than the basic pay for time at work?

Teachers deserve a medal

I'm certain it is less exhausting than a 12 hour shift down a mine.

Im also certain I'd choose a 12 hour shift down a mine over dealing with other people's bloody kids all day. And the parents of said kids.

Give me the fucking pickaxe, is all I have to say!

OP I know what you mean. I hear a lot about how hard teachers work but there are many other professions that are demanding.

We are paid in the holidays, we don’t get paid for the holidays - 39 weeks spread over 12 months

But you don’t know as you are a) not a teacher and b) are reluctant to tell us what you do do but assuming it’s not being a builder-you have no idea about that either… maybe get back in your box?

The teacher-bashing is nearly as bad as the GP-bashing on here (I’m a GP). And social worker bashing! I have a lot of teacher friends and family and yes I do think it’s a mentally exhausting job, as is mine, I take your point it’s not physically exhausting like being a builder etc. But people who don’t do this sort of job just won’t understand.

Teaching sounds exhausting and I'm assuming it is based off what I've heard.

But... There is a vocal contingent of teachers on MN that seem to think it's the ONLY exhausting profession out there. And it definitely isn't.

You can't really compare welding and teaching. Teaching is emotionally/mentally/intellectually exhausting. Welding, I imagine, is extremely physically demanding but not at all emotionally.

I think teaching is no longer a job for life, the burnout happens much faster. Teachers who stay longer do more harm than good to themselves and pupils.

I work in education.

They can. And they are. Handle the recruitment and retention crisis.

It is a pro rata salary, but paid in 12 equal instalments. To be fair, I don’t think people realise this when assessing how poorly paid teaching is- it’s not the equivalent of a full time (40 hours a week 52 weeks a year) job.

its not an easy job at all, but there are lots of jobs equally or more exhausting/stressful (and much more overlooked!)

paramedics and prison officers are often forgotten but have massively stressful, dangerous jobs with shit pay, long and antisocial shifts. I use these examples because I know people personally in them and they burn out hard, if they aren’t forced out of the job from violence.

physical jobs take a toll, retail workers are often at the mercy of awful customer behaviour… the list goes on but it’s not a race to the bottom that some try to make it.

my job is stressful, demanding, exhausting and often thankless but I wouldn’t swap places with a teacher the same as they probably wouldn’t swap with me.

Because you have no informed idea of how exhausting teaching is. Or welding for that matter.

I've spent all day today in bed fighting off exhaustion so I can go to work tomorrow and get through the week, and I'm not a teacher.

I'm doing the work of 5 people in a very demanding corporate role and haven't had a whole week off work since October, including Christmas.

Loads of jobs are knackering

It is a pro rata salary that’s paid over 12 months.
Teachers don’t get paid for 13 weeks holiday but they do get paid in 12 instalments.

YABU. I used to be a teacher. It is absolutely mentally and physically exhausting, much more so than most other jobs I can think of and impossible to fully understand unless you've experienced it.

Still no word on op’s super stressful job ????

Everyone on MN says this about teachers but can never find an example of it actually happening.

I am a teacher and the pay isn't really "spread out". My monthly salary (net) is acceptable - £2750, unpromoted.

Yes, so you get the same amount each month ? That was my point

Used to teach part time (supposedly 24 hrs a week). Now work a 40 hr week with 25 days holiday a year. Teaching was far more exhausting.

What's that long acronym about fucking off? I'm too tired to remember at the end of term.

Lots of people don't realise this tbh. We're paid for 1265 hours per year, this includes our day in school, INSET days, parents evenings etc (schools set their own calendars for it). It is then divided into 12 monthly payments for the sake of practicality. At £30,000 per year, this would be £23.72 per hour before tax, a quick Google says this puts us on par with police officers (below sergeant) and other professionals. A teacher at the top of their state-school salary (without moving into senior leadership- which most don't), would be on £36.76 per hour, this is the most they can earn and has to be 'applied for' in most schools (with a portfolio suggesting why you have done enough to 'deserve' it).

I actually agree that we're on a good wage for our contracted hours and, along with the non-teaching weeks, it is a good perk of the job. Every job has pros and cons, and this is ours.
Edit: There's enough about the cons already on here, but I'm fired up and ready if anyone wants them 😂