Thread 9: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

2nd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

3rd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

4th Observer ‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as this will only encourage them back to the threads.

We have done amazingly well together - in the main that is, not mentioning any names but you know who you are! - for eight threads so far. I can't be on the threads as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion ticking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

No saltiness. Keep to the path. Thank you.

Except the house sold for little more than the mortgage - let alone mortgage+100k loan + costs

To be fair, plenty of writers are poor speakers - the two skills are very different. I would not assume that a bad speaker couldn't write well. But I did think RW seemed odd in interviews, always saying exactly the same thing, as if reading from a script. It could just be nerves, but there was no spontaneity whatsoever.

Me too. I've also given up looking at my mn email account...just come straight here.

Maybe her daughter?

Reporting for duty, prepared to be pedantic about the difference between a narrowboat and a barge 🫡

If they bought it say 30 years ago it would be worth several times what they paid for it surely. My house is worth 5 times more than I purchased it 25 years ago

Now that I'm officially unlurked, this made me laugh on another thread. Not just the ad itself, but the name of the poster immediately underneath 😉

Don't rule out an Observer update next Sunday..... Could be a damp squid, could be more griff on the grifters.

Surely no-one would mis-spell the name of their own town or village of origin, would they?

Sally A Winn born in Melton Mowbray Leicestershire 1962. List of villages included in Melton Mowbray registration district included below....

Melton Mowbray Registration District

I think the former question could rock the mumsnet boat, so could be wise to be cautious.

On the other, I was also thinking about the location and wondered if anyone had any ideas?

This is total conjecture, obviously, but knowing how Salray likes to conflate bits of her real life story to conjure bits of her, um, ‘real life story’, I’ve been thinking about “Cooper”, the property “investment” that “failed due to low occupancy”, France, Timoth’s brother, etc.. I wonder whether the brothers both bought the land/adjacent buildings in cahoots with a view to doing them up or even just sitting on them, reckoning that their value would increase due to the vast swathes of Brit incomers wanting holiday homes that were anticipating would be interested (the “investment”). Then the market didn’t play out as they’d hoped in some way (“failed due to low occupancy”, maybe their own, because they were never there?!). Brother branched out & bought the chateau to do up & live in with his family & gave up on the original idea. Settles down to working on the chateau (and writing his own novel, and his blog - anyone seen that? Short-lived but clearly writerly ambitions). Timoth needs the cash he invested back to pay off the embezzlement owings, ask his brother to buy him out, brother not interested, so seeks out the high-interest loan elsewhere.

To reiterate, this is totally made up on my part. Just in case anyone should mistake any of it for fact.

Property investment in the company was via a half cousin related to TW via his mother while the two French property investments in France (Village du Dropt) were by TW and his brother. Completely unrelated.

"Am I being unreasonable to feel disappointed after reading this in the Observer...."
The title of this thread was what brought me here to learn about this. I have been aware of the Winn books and thought they were being packaged and marketed successfully. I had started to become irritated by the all-pervading influence and wondered why I felt this way.

The honest question, at the top, made me curb my cynicism - I want visitors to appreciate the SWCP and did it matter what brought them here? Now I have learnt that it is not written that well, there are mean spirited opinions of individuals, and readers certainly don't get much for their money at a public event.

The answer to the question in the thread title has to be "No, it is very reasonable to feel disappointed." If there is no confidence in the facts of: falling on hard times. through no fault, and suffering greatly from a terminal illness - this book has little to offer.

I posted a couple of ideas on the previous page but I don't live in the area so probably best to wait for a local.

Not sure about this and not sure it could have played out given what's known about the timeline.

The DM reported recently that both families were on the land in Village du Dropt in 2004 together (a local supplied some photos of them), suggesting the brother had already bought the Pigionerre property.

Meanwhile, according to a French news article (in 2013 i think), the brother bought the Chateau in 2006, started renovation and moved there properly in 2008 with his family.

In all of this, TimRay bought their neighbouring property in Village du Dropt in 2007.

Clearly something went on, but hard to know. I've suggested before in the threads the Cooper story is possibly a conflation of two events and two people, namely a property/financial dispute in France with brother and a debt owed to half-uncle.

Half uncle.

The 'friends since the days of riding trikes together' bit about Cooper could refer to a brother. Or it could be a tug on the heartstrings tactic. It's all described very oddly. I'm not a lawyer but surely whether they were liable for company debts or not would be governed by the type of contract it was and by contract law, not by what they came up with themselves in court? Plus the judge in that chapter of the book is straight from Melodramatic Dickensian Villainous Judge central casting.

The whole point of forming companies is to have limited liability. The original story of having to tip more money in doesn't make any sense at all.
And when things make sense is usually because someone's lying

This is a thread for people who are supportive of the Hemmings family and very sceptical about some of the claims and scenarios in TSP.

If a poster takes a polar opposite view, they are of course at liberty to set up a separate thread to that effect and enjoy whatever engagement they get there.

I think Ty'n Towyn is bang on the money! 🙌

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Exactly. It all sounds made up. No investment and no weird liability to pay debts of a liquidated company using personal assets. Plus Cooper's company only formed in 1999, yet Raymoth claim they invested in early 90s

@DisappointedReader, I hope this doesn’t read as if I’m usurping your position as She Who Keeps The Thread in Order. I just thought another thread for those with contrary views might be a logical thing to do.

Have sent you a PM @notwavingbutdrowning1