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Thread 9: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 00:16

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

2nd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

3rd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

4th Observer ‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as this will only encourage them back to the threads.

We have done amazingly well together - in the main that is, not mentioning any names but you know who you are! - for eight threads so far. I can't be on the threads as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion ticking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

No saltiness. Keep to the path. Thank you.

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

Raynor and Moth Winn’s redemptive journey from penury and homelessness led to a bestselling book. The truth behind it is very different

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

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User14March · 20/07/2025 21:57

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Even_the_Dogs Read somewhere Izzy Wyn-Thomas’s favourite writer NB: homelessness themes etc.

Even the Dogs - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Even_the_Dogs

gattocattivo · 20/07/2025 21:58

TheBrandyPath · 20/07/2025 21:45

@Bruisername I don’t think the writing is good enough tbh

This interests me. I don't understand how the author won a Royal Society of Literature prize. It is one thing to say that readers felt connected to the story - but, surely it cannot be considered great literature. I have not read any of the Walker's books but have, since the controversy, seen many quotes/extracts.

This is why I posted, earlier re: it seems as if the Welsh book was the first novel?

I’ve only read TSP and I agree - it’s not particularly well written and certainly isn’t great literature. Perhaps there were slim pickings for the prize that year!

277Tulips · 20/07/2025 21:59

It's very possible that a neurologist's letter exists from 2013 but I would be doubtful that it is a definitive terminal diagnosis in light of the subsequent 2015/2019/2025 letters.

Catwith69lives · 20/07/2025 22:00

Humankindness · 20/07/2025 21:40

Chloe Hadjimatheou and her researcher Alexi Mostrous had every opportunity in the Observer podcast “The Salt Path controversy: behind the scenes” to raise questions about the dates on the medical letters released by Raynor Winn (2015, 2019, 2025). They chose not to. Why was that? Perhaps it was because they knew they were on a sticky wicket. If it transpires that the CBS diagnosis existed prior to the start of the walk, the Observer’s reputation would be badly damaged if they had flogged this point. Hence sensibly they are treading a careful path. This contrasts to the discussion on this thread where the consensus appears to be guilty unless proven innocent.

Funny then that SW hasn't been able to provide a copy of the 2013 CBD diagnosis.... 2 weeks have elapsed since the Observer article and 12 years since the diagnosis. I am waiting, as are many others up and down the land, from MN contributors to members of the House of Commons for it's upload onto her website.

AgitatedGoose · 20/07/2025 22:02

277Tulips · 20/07/2025 21:26

Has anyone else had the suspicion that the books were ghostwritten? Absolutely speculating here but I detected a whiff of ghostwriter abut them..with SW obviously providing the info. Just because of her daughter and Moth having no idea she could write ..seems very strange.

Yes I do and suggested that in a much earlier thread. She interviews really badly and gives simplistic inarticulate answers to questions. Her reading of her work is abysmal. It certainly put me off going to see Saltlines as she has no stage presence whatsoever.

Speagle · 20/07/2025 22:04

PMK thanks, finally caught up.

DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 22:04

ChocolateGanache · 20/07/2025 21:54

Wow 9 threads!

No Saltiness, stick to the path 😆😆😆👏👏👏

I'm only glad that my email address for MN is different to my email addresses for the rest of my life. My MN email notifications have gone completely bonkers over the last fortnight. 🙃

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TheBrandyPath · 20/07/2025 22:10

@AgitatedGoose She interviews really badly and gives simplistic inarticulate answers to questions. Her reading of her work is abysmal.

Now I am even more stunned how this became such a phenomenon. Because I live 'down yer' I haven't been attracted to all these books, gigs, literary festival readings, writing courses + a film.

DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 22:13

Have sent you a PM @Catwith69lives

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Stravaig · 20/07/2025 22:17

@DisappointedReader Yikes! The only MN emails I get are if I've reported a post; I have all the other notification options switched off.

Choux · 20/07/2025 22:19

OpenThatWindow · 20/07/2025 20:18

Can't put my finger on exactly why but I don't think that's SW in the photo.

Maybe someone like her but much younger.

What colour hair does her daughter have? Also can anyone place the beach by referencing the islands out in the bay?

Tealeaf3 · 20/07/2025 22:20

I too have been lurking and found this thread hugely entertaining- thankyou!
Read TSP when first published, read the Observer articles, saw the film, read the book again and noticed yet another sob story (p209). Whilst staying in the disused “meat-packing shed” Salray apparently looks for a job, but can’t find one as no-one wants “a fifty year old woman whose work history for the last 20 years has been self-employment”
But…..but…. What about the BOOK KEEPING experience 😳😂

Animaladina · 20/07/2025 22:26

Tealeaf3 · 20/07/2025 22:20

I too have been lurking and found this thread hugely entertaining- thankyou!
Read TSP when first published, read the Observer articles, saw the film, read the book again and noticed yet another sob story (p209). Whilst staying in the disused “meat-packing shed” Salray apparently looks for a job, but can’t find one as no-one wants “a fifty year old woman whose work history for the last 20 years has been self-employment”
But…..but…. What about the BOOK KEEPING experience 😳😂

😂😂😂
I guess she’d struggle to get references from her former employer 😅🤔

Fandango52 · 20/07/2025 22:26

Tealeaf3 · 20/07/2025 22:20

I too have been lurking and found this thread hugely entertaining- thankyou!
Read TSP when first published, read the Observer articles, saw the film, read the book again and noticed yet another sob story (p209). Whilst staying in the disused “meat-packing shed” Salray apparently looks for a job, but can’t find one as no-one wants “a fifty year old woman whose work history for the last 20 years has been self-employment”
But…..but…. What about the BOOK KEEPING experience 😳😂

To misquote Fight Club: ‘The first rule of book-keeping is: you do not talk about book-keeping. The second rule of book-keeping is: you DO NOT talk about book-keeping!’

I like to think that RW has taken that rule to heart.

DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 22:26

mycatismyworld · 20/07/2025 22:09

I think we have seen this somewhere before and it has been posted on the threads. I don't think from that particular site though, thanks. It also reminded me of the name Karen Smith. We have seen this name somewhere before in relation to promoting the book. It struck me as a made up name/person at the time, possibly one of the Walker-Winn-Wyns again? This is perhaps where the US sales came from, mentioned in the comment about being stuck outside a Welsh bookshop that won't stock it.

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StaySpicy · 20/07/2025 22:35

Choux · 20/07/2025 22:19

What colour hair does her daughter have? Also can anyone place the beach by referencing the islands out in the bay?

I think Abersoch Harbour, if you agree with me these look like the same islands...

Thread 9: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
StaySpicy · 20/07/2025 22:40

Or around there, somewhere. Traeth Trwyn y fach, maybe. Or Ty'n Towyn.

Choux · 20/07/2025 22:41

gattocattivo · 20/07/2025 21:58

I’ve only read TSP and I agree - it’s not particularly well written and certainly isn’t great literature. Perhaps there were slim pickings for the prize that year!

Debut novel published by someone over 50? I imagine it’s slim pickings every year with only a few writers eligible. Especially now it’s so easy for wannabe authors in their 40s to self publish and thus make themselves ineligible once they are in their 50s.

AldoGordo · 20/07/2025 22:41

Cleanthecoffeemachine · 20/07/2025 21:42

No, why would an unknown have a ghost writer? And to be fair my kids have no idea of my talents beyond provider of food and lifts.

I agree that RW had a ghostwriter is unlikely, but not because RW was unknown. Plenty of memoirs of unknown people with a story to tell have had ghostwriters, an example being the Yorkshire Shepherdess books.

Choux · 20/07/2025 22:43

StaySpicy · 20/07/2025 22:35

I think Abersoch Harbour, if you agree with me these look like the same islands...

Abersoch? Of course it’s Abersoch…. We need more Abersoch residents who have lived there 20+ years and worked in the hotel industry on this thread.

mycatismyworld · 20/07/2025 22:44

This is my take on the Walkers stry.
Sally and Tim moved to Wales,penniless but in the hope of living the good life, with a vegetable garden,chickens, etc.
Along comes 'Jeremy' who is / was a successful businessman working in finance.
As Sally and Tim have little chance of securing a mortgage , he offer them a private mortgage because he's so separate with their vision and he can't help loving their enthusiasm for wanting a better life for their family.
Sally and Tim get a bit behind with their mortgage repayments and Jeremy isn't very happy about this.
Some years later when Sally is caught robbing her employer Sally turns to the only person who knows would lend them money.
Jeremy lends them about 100k which is secured on the house. He does this as he knows he'll never get his money back otherwise, but also the house is worth a hell of a lot now and Jeremy knows that he'll be quids in when he has to reposess it.

AldoGordo · 20/07/2025 22:45

DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 21:51

It would be interesting to know which one of them wrote the posts as Gangani on the Accidental Smallholder forum, pushing the house raffle/book and claiming to be a friend of the house owners.

I get Salray vibes, but perhaps a bit of Timoth when someone queries the legality of the prize draw and gambling rules.

277Tulips · 20/07/2025 22:45

AldoGordo · 20/07/2025 22:41

I agree that RW had a ghostwriter is unlikely, but not because RW was unknown. Plenty of memoirs of unknown people with a story to tell have had ghostwriters, an example being the Yorkshire Shepherdess books.

Oh I did not know TYS had a ghostwriter.

StaySpicy · 20/07/2025 22:47

Choux · 20/07/2025 22:43

Abersoch? Of course it’s Abersoch…. We need more Abersoch residents who have lived there 20+ years and worked in the hotel industry on this thread.

Sorry, I'll stop my amateur sleuthing! Never even been there, so definitely need someone who's actually in the area to tell us for certain!

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