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To think that life seems better in rep of ireland?

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PunnyOliveTurtle · 18/07/2025 13:59

ok...hear me out...My DM is Irish and she has not been home in a good few years, I haven't been over since I was 15, I'm early 40's now. So i decided to bring her over to visit her sisters as they are all getting older...late 60s/early 70's.

I had a wonderful time. I caught up with all of my cousins...and here is where I noticed the divide...they all have gorgeous homes and I mean stunning! Some in the country, some in the town, all fab new builds or gutted and updated old houses. A couple in new housing estates which were FAB!!
One of my cousins has just bought a new home...her DH is driving a 2025 car, they are off on hols next week. I asked her if she won the lotto and she laughed saying she wished, savings are now depleted and she was "broke". I know she has no credit cards because she metioned that she didn't have one when we wer talking about booking dinner somewhere and they wanted to take a deposit.

They all have great jobs...a lot of them are teachers...like i was. But they are no where near as stressed as I was. They are on holidays already and have been with a few weeks.Some are nurses but work part time in private hospitals, others work in big pharma companies, banking etc.Their dh's also have great jobs, engineers, managers in tech/pharma, one owns a construction company, one is a farmer.
All and I mean ALL of their DC who are of uni age are in university...no student loans. They have a grant scheme apparently. None of my cousins themselves have student loans...they are in 30's to mid 50's. (Can you tell we had an in depth discussion on uni and fees etc!)
Their DC aged 15+ all have summer jobs...in a local chippy, local cafe, one on a farm etc. My 18 yr old cant get a job at all!!

Everything just seemed so positive there...and im sure its not but I cant put my finger on it...it really got me.
I'm struggling most months...this trip was part on credit card. DD looking to start uni and i dont know how I'm going to help her... I know they say dont compare and I know there must be those struggling in Ireland too but there seemed to be A LOT more money being thrown around.

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WallTree · 21/07/2025 20:25

TheKeatingFive · 21/07/2025 18:18

The sample there is somewhat skewed towards more problematic countries it seems.

Congrats on being less racist than Iran and Russia I guess. Well done.

And again, no direct comparison so how does it help your point?

I didn't design the study, but you can see that the UK is ranked as less racist than Canada, France, Italy, Spain, and Norway. I'm not sure what "unproblematic" countries you would like to see added to the list.

Loveduppenguin · 21/07/2025 20:27

WallTree · 21/07/2025 20:18

Ireland is joint 5th most racist in this study, and with a score (44) that is above the average (39). Are you that blinded by nationalism that you can't read the graph?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/least-racist-countries

comes out top 10 here…for least racist.

Least Racist Countries 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/least-racist-countries

YourOnMute · 21/07/2025 21:59

TheKeatingFive · 21/07/2025 18:18

The sample there is somewhat skewed towards more problematic countries it seems.

Congrats on being less racist than Iran and Russia I guess. Well done.

And again, no direct comparison so how does it help your point?

But but how do they do on forestation??

TheKeatingFive · 21/07/2025 22:12

YourOnMute · 21/07/2025 21:59

But but how do they do on forestation??

Probably awesomely 😂

sentosa · 22/07/2025 01:01

CreationNat1on · 21/07/2025 18:19

Regarding the racism figures. It should be remembered that multi culturalism is new to Ireland, really only widely evident in the last 30 years or so.

Other European countries colonised various parts of Africa, Asia and South America and as a result they have a longer history of multi culturalism. Portugal colonised parts of Africa and have generations of African Portuguese citizens. The Moors conquered parts if Southern Spain.

Ireland is going through a transitional phase. It's not any more racist than anywhere else. As a previous poster commented, any race issues are most routed in the lack of housing available and understanding the priorities and competing needs of everyone that is in need of assistance.

Ah yes, just what I was told to justify the racist comments I got on a daily basis in Dublin.

"We're not racist, it's just that we've never seen someone like you before! Expecting us not to shout 'ching chong, Jackie Chan' at you is asking too much!"

FWIW when I've spent time in England no one treated me like that, although I've only been to London.

Imbusytodaysorry · 22/07/2025 09:43

Pickone · 18/07/2025 16:54

To be fair, it costs a fortune in the UK too!

Agree

Abhannmor · 22/07/2025 10:45

Teaforthetotal · 21/07/2025 16:25

Great comment. I hope leaders in UK and Ireland eventually wake up to the housing crises.

I came across an old photo in Facebook : Cabra West housing estate under construction , the biggest housing project in Europe in its time. Dated 1944.

As the actor Colm Meaney said ' I was brought up in a Corporation house in the 60s , why can't they build them now?' I paraphrase. But his point was that we were broke back then and now we are , allegedly, a very prosperous country. Something doesn't add up here.

Abhannmor · 22/07/2025 10:52

On a lighter note , things are much better in Tipperary now than probably anywhere in the world. Whereas Cork has died , unexpectedly on Sunday. House private . No flowers. 😢

Eyesopenwideawake · 22/07/2025 12:34

Abhannmor · 22/07/2025 10:45

I came across an old photo in Facebook : Cabra West housing estate under construction , the biggest housing project in Europe in its time. Dated 1944.

As the actor Colm Meaney said ' I was brought up in a Corporation house in the 60s , why can't they build them now?' I paraphrase. But his point was that we were broke back then and now we are , allegedly, a very prosperous country. Something doesn't add up here.

I bought my first house in Ireland in Annamoe Road - two up/two down ex Corpo for IR£50,000 in 1996. Sold it a couple of years later for a modest profit. Just had a quick look on Daft and a similar house is now €350-425k 😳

bellzel · 22/07/2025 12:57

Eyesopenwideawake · 22/07/2025 12:34

I bought my first house in Ireland in Annamoe Road - two up/two down ex Corpo for IR£50,000 in 1996. Sold it a couple of years later for a modest profit. Just had a quick look on Daft and a similar house is now €350-425k 😳

Those Corpo houses were built like tanks. We grew up in one on the South Side. My parents stayed there until their deaths a few years ago. We were looking at the paperwork in order to sell it for probate, and they bought it as a "tenant purchase" back in the 60s for a ridiculously small sum of money, under £500 if I remember correctly.

It sold for just short of 450k. But that's the way property increases in price, location is everything no matter whether its private or council.

The LUAS effect is evident in Cabra and surrounds. So close to the city aswell. Anything within the M50 ring is gold now.

Hollyhobbi · 22/07/2025 13:10

Eyesopenwideawake · 22/07/2025 12:34

I bought my first house in Ireland in Annamoe Road - two up/two down ex Corpo for IR£50,000 in 1996. Sold it a couple of years later for a modest profit. Just had a quick look on Daft and a similar house is now €350-425k 😳

Daft is not the selling price though. Look up the Property Price Register for the real sale prices not the asking prices!

Member984815 · 22/07/2025 16:37

Hollyhobbi · 22/07/2025 13:10

Daft is not the selling price though. Look up the Property Price Register for the real sale prices not the asking prices!

Daft show the asking and price sold for now in a new feature, I think it's under a tab called sold

Abhannmor · 24/07/2025 17:09

Eyesopenwideawake · 22/07/2025 12:34

I bought my first house in Ireland in Annamoe Road - two up/two down ex Corpo for IR£50,000 in 1996. Sold it a couple of years later for a modest profit. Just had a quick look on Daft and a similar house is now €350-425k 😳

We had to sell my nans house in DLR in 92. Got around 55k. The house 2 doors down went for 450k ...just before the Crash. Noone in our family lives in Dublin now...or could afford to.

JosieMain · 24/07/2025 17:31

PunnyOliveTurtle · 18/07/2025 13:59

ok...hear me out...My DM is Irish and she has not been home in a good few years, I haven't been over since I was 15, I'm early 40's now. So i decided to bring her over to visit her sisters as they are all getting older...late 60s/early 70's.

I had a wonderful time. I caught up with all of my cousins...and here is where I noticed the divide...they all have gorgeous homes and I mean stunning! Some in the country, some in the town, all fab new builds or gutted and updated old houses. A couple in new housing estates which were FAB!!
One of my cousins has just bought a new home...her DH is driving a 2025 car, they are off on hols next week. I asked her if she won the lotto and she laughed saying she wished, savings are now depleted and she was "broke". I know she has no credit cards because she metioned that she didn't have one when we wer talking about booking dinner somewhere and they wanted to take a deposit.

They all have great jobs...a lot of them are teachers...like i was. But they are no where near as stressed as I was. They are on holidays already and have been with a few weeks.Some are nurses but work part time in private hospitals, others work in big pharma companies, banking etc.Their dh's also have great jobs, engineers, managers in tech/pharma, one owns a construction company, one is a farmer.
All and I mean ALL of their DC who are of uni age are in university...no student loans. They have a grant scheme apparently. None of my cousins themselves have student loans...they are in 30's to mid 50's. (Can you tell we had an in depth discussion on uni and fees etc!)
Their DC aged 15+ all have summer jobs...in a local chippy, local cafe, one on a farm etc. My 18 yr old cant get a job at all!!

Everything just seemed so positive there...and im sure its not but I cant put my finger on it...it really got me.
I'm struggling most months...this trip was part on credit card. DD looking to start uni and i dont know how I'm going to help her... I know they say dont compare and I know there must be those struggling in Ireland too but there seemed to be A LOT more money being thrown around.

Well…
I’m Irish and have land in co, Clare. A historically poor area in west coast but very very beautiful and wild.

I’ll share something as well - my ancestors worked the land as farmers and when the English colonized Ireland they made us Irish work the land for the overseers, then came the Famine and took the food and created this great genocide. Come the revolution, Irish people fought and got rid of the English. In my area the Irish army forced English landlords out - I think they may have killed them- and houses and land that Irish lived and worked on, were handed back to Irish to own. That changed the fortune of mg family and maybe quite a few other families across Ireland. Fast fwd to now…

Ireland has just as much economic diversity as UK- it has massive housing shortage in cities, rural poverty as well as urban poverty… but…

UK went through Brexit. This has massively effed up UK economy. And everyone bar the super rich are feeling it. We’ve let our public services become privatized here, in UK. The cost and also the reliability of train travel is awful in UK. SNCF the French train operator owned by French state owns as an example, some of UK train lines and benefits from the profits going back to make SNCF better. Yes the world is going to hell in a handcart all over but Brexit really has accelerated cost of living crisis - wage suppression, housing costs rises, services costs, food costs. Life feels harder in UK cities than it has done for years is sense I get - UK is in a massive recession - hence rise of far right.

JosieMain · 24/07/2025 17:36

Loveduppenguin · 21/07/2025 18:13

I entertained this with ChatGPT…

🔍 Summary: Which Country Is "More Racist"?

  • England has:
  • More entrenched institutional racism (partly due to a longer colonial legacy)
  • More public data and awareness
  • A higher rate of hate crimes, but also more legal mechanisms and activism
  • Ireland has:
  • Less racial diversity historically, but racism is growing as diversity increases
  • Racism tends to be underreported, with weaker legislation
  • Less structured dialogue on colonialism, white privilege, and systemic racism
So, England arguably has more visible and measured racism, but Ireland may have less acknowledged but still harmful forms, especially in day-to-day life and public institutions with low accountability.

I then dared to ask it “in terms of being racist, which is worse?

👉 If by “worse” you mean more systemic and measurable racism:
England is worse — because:

  • It has longer-standing racial inequalities (education, housing, policing).
  • Black and minority groups are more heavily policed and discriminated against (e.g. stop-and-search rates, Windrush scandal).
  • There’s more hate crime, especially racially motivated violence.
  • Historical colonialism and imperialism have created deeper-rooted racial hierarchies.
📊 Examples:
  • Black people in England are 7x more likely to be stopped and searched than white people.
  • Hate crimes in England rose by over 100% in the last decade (Home Office data).
  • The Stephen Lawrence case showed how deep institutional racism went in policing.
👉 If by “worse” you mean more subtle, unacknowledged racism, or less protection for minorities: Ireland may feel worse to some minorities — because:
  • There’s less public awareness, less open conversation about racism.
  • Protections are weaker: no standalone hate crime law, poor enforcement of equality laws.
  • Many minorities feel ignored or isolated, especially in rural areas.
  • Racism is often minimised or dismissed as rare, even though it's present.
📊 Examples:
  • Many African, Muslim, and Roma residents report racism in jobs, housing, and policing.
  • No proper ethnic data collection in health, education, or crime makes racism harder to fight.
  • Refugees/asylum seekers in Direct Provision face systemic neglect and marginalisation.

summary

  • England is worse in terms of scale, depth, and institutional racism — but it's also more advanced in acknowledging it and trying to fix it.
  • Ireland has less visible racism but fewer protections and awareness, which can make racism feel invisible but deeply isolating.
So if you're a racial minority, you may face more systemic challenges in England, but feel less publicly supported in Ireland. Each country is “worse” in a different way.

i think it 6 of one and half a dozen of the other…

Wow ! Chat GPT ✔️

Soonenough · 26/07/2025 00:02

Chat GPT is getting notions. Don't encourage it.

Abhannmor · 26/07/2025 09:18

The landlords - well many of them - were bought out in a government scheme. The tenants became owners. Of course that money had to be repaid to the UK government after the Treaty. So called Land Annuities. After a change of government in Dublin the Irish decided not to pay any more. Why pay the Brits for our own land which they stole in various plantations?

There followed a Tariff War - nothing new under the sun is there? It was finally settled for a one off payment of £10m. A lot of money in 1938. In return the British withdrew from three naval bases in the Republic.

bellzel · 26/07/2025 20:37

Update on my weekend adventures. Today I did the Poolbeg Lighthouse walk. I went with my three old crone friends (I made it four), and those with knee problems were barred today because of the cobbly wobbly nature of the surface. Always windy there, but not so bad today.

It's always a bit scary (but invigorating) to feel you're walking into the Irish Sea it's so bloody long. And then you have to turn around and come back again. But watching the ships coming into Dublin Port is a great pastime from down by the Shelley Banks where the car park is.

The stacks (red and white "chimbleys") are another icon around there, but you don't have to go to the lighthouse to see them, Sandymount Strand will do that. Fun fact - the chimbleys were painted recently but only the South facing side has been done so far. OK if you live in Sandymount, but not so nice if you're in Clontarf lol 😊

Another hidden gem that's rarely on the list of most visitors, but the natives know all about it!

wildirishwalks.ie/the-great-south-wall-walk/

MuddlingMackem · 26/07/2025 21:45

@bellzel

I've just looked up that Lighthouse walk on Google Street View and it looks amazing. Although the cobbles actually look pretty easy on dodgy knees compared to the cobbled streets of Durham and Whitby. 😁

Peacepleaselouise · 26/07/2025 21:48

Well being in the EU will help! Brexit has made us all much poorer.

MuddlingMackem · 26/07/2025 21:49

NebulousWhistler · 20/07/2025 09:54

The UK isn’t all bad. Luton yes, Oxford/Cotswolds no.
Wimbledon is fab, Harlesden not so much. There are shit holes everywhere.

I left Ireland years ago and have never contemplated going home since. I have built a life in a lovely part of the UK

I miss the people in Ireland hugely, as a general population they are far warmer than the Brits. The formality of Brits still surprises me. That’s what would ultimately bring me home, maybe to a house overlooking the sea in West Cork.

If you want to stay in England, the north east is much friendlier than London, and generally much cheaper too. However, in many places the public transport leaves a lot to be desired as this part of the country gets nowhere near the funding that the south east does.

Abhannmor · 27/07/2025 08:18

bellzel · 26/07/2025 20:37

Update on my weekend adventures. Today I did the Poolbeg Lighthouse walk. I went with my three old crone friends (I made it four), and those with knee problems were barred today because of the cobbly wobbly nature of the surface. Always windy there, but not so bad today.

It's always a bit scary (but invigorating) to feel you're walking into the Irish Sea it's so bloody long. And then you have to turn around and come back again. But watching the ships coming into Dublin Port is a great pastime from down by the Shelley Banks where the car park is.

The stacks (red and white "chimbleys") are another icon around there, but you don't have to go to the lighthouse to see them, Sandymount Strand will do that. Fun fact - the chimbleys were painted recently but only the South facing side has been done so far. OK if you live in Sandymount, but not so nice if you're in Clontarf lol 😊

Another hidden gem that's rarely on the list of most visitors, but the natives know all about it!

wildirishwalks.ie/the-great-south-wall-walk/

Typical! Poor North siders get the crap view of the chimbleys 😂

booksunderthebed · 27/07/2025 21:01

if you like views of Dublin just climbed the Skyview tower (used to be chimney for Jameson distillery.) Just go to the front desk of the Generator hostel in Smithfield and they will sell you tickets for €5 each, less for kids. They also sell tickets online but it was very quiet and we were the only visitors on a sunday at about 6pm. Its open till late so great summer evening activity.

Lots of stairs to the top (no lift) but great views once up there, unless you want to look directly south, which is blocked.

Well worth a visit.

bellzel · 28/07/2025 12:07

So (continuing my side hustle for the Irish Tourist Board 😉), yesterday's outing was an easy one, but absolutely gorgeous and I'd forgotten how lovely it is.

We took the bus out to Chapelizod, a lovely little village by the Liffey with Joycean connections, the bridge has a plaque on it and all! Had a coffee in the Baa Baa cafe before setting out to do the linear walk all along the Liffey. It was like being at Henley Regatta (in my head cos I've never been!) since the rowers were out on the river, their clubhouses are on the opposite bank. Dreamy it was!

At the end of the walk is the Memorial Gardens, another gem of a place then home on the bus.

OK you could drive to the car park at Memorial, and do the linear walk in the opposite direction but you'd have to double back on yourself to get back to the car park. Having done the up and down and back again yesterday on the Great South Wall, I wasn't doing similar again!

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