To say I am surprised that Russia is in the no 2 spot. And Japan is so high.

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I expected the UK to take the no 2 spot. Not surprised about the US.

https://www.worldatlas.com/crime/countries-that-have-produced-the-most-serial-killers.html

Oh god the real number for Russia is probably much higher - have you seen the size of that place? Sure there are entire communities decimated and vanished out in the wilds there by organised means, that no one else knows about. It would be even easier for one person acting alone to never be tracked.

Agree. Plus the government has a lot more control over the media in Russia than it does in some other countries. It would be much easier for them to keep it hushed up.

Why did you expect UK to be number 2?

Remember - this is going by IDENTIFIED serial killers. Countries with more developed policing systems, CCTv and judicial systems will always be higher because they catch more.

These are the countries where police take their jobs seriously and aren't arresting autistic teenagers for homophobia against police officers or police horses, or checking people's Twitter for if they gave a scientific definition of woman.

The number of psychos and nonces is stable everywhere across the world in all populations.

The UK doesn't have a fucking clue how many people are here, doesn't value human life anyway, doesn't have a fit for purpose police force and you would never ever know or detect murder sprees most of the time.

What Russia? They apparently didn't have any murders for a number of years as part of the propaganda about how great communism was. They didnt recognise the phenomenon if serial killers for years.
Instead they were / are murdering their citizens for Twitter posts.

This is just showing the ones they caught. Not the ones who are really clever and cover their tracks.

Precisely this.

It's almost a certainty that vast countries like China, India, Brazil and so on, with limited development and resources and huge, isolated, low-density populated areas are harbouring significant numbers of prolific, but entirely unrecognised serial killers.

Then there are the partially lawless States in Central and South America where violent crime and violent death are so commonplace that it will be entirely viable to be a prolific serial killer and not even make any attempt to hide your activity, but because the consequences are so indistinguishable from every-day events, law-enforcement will not recognise the results as serial-killings, or if they do, will probably attribute them to some other motive, gang-related, drug trade etc, than typical killing for the sake of killing. See Ciudad Juárez.

We have comparatively few serial-killers in Western countries now entirely because advances in policing and detection mean it's astonishingly rare to get beyond your 2nd or 3rd victim without being apprehended. It's much more difficult to actually meet the criterion to become a serial killer. Exceptions still occur, obviously, but it's changed days from the era of hand-written card databases and regional police forces who did not communicate.

Cue lots of anti-Russian half-wittery.

I used to spend quite a bit of time in both Moscow and Tokyo for work. Clean streets, guards everywhere in the transport system, well-policed, felt totally safe as a young woman.

Can definitely not say the same for the UK town I am now living in.

Also spent time in Russia, not in Moscow.

Sitting a train rumbling slowly through endless forest for hours... No security guards out there...

Its amazing how so many people tell us they feel safe in places like Russia. Lots of people felt very safe in East Germany too. Absolute tyranny often produces safe streets, as long as you keep your mouth shut.

At least in London we dont seem to have a perpetual problem of government critics and independent journalists falling out of windows.

Yeah, in London we don't have to worry about that because we likely got stabbed on the way to work.

We lock up young mothers for tweets here but go off about tyranny in other safer countries

UK is not at all high on the list of countries by homicide rate - do you really think you're less likely to be murdered in Russia?

Edited to add the actual numbers - homicide rate in Russia is 6.8 per 100k and UK is 1.1 per 100k.

Not quite.

We lock people up who commit, and later admit to, the criminal offence of Inciting Racial Hatred. That's because we have a reasonably robust and fair judicial system, unlike... Russia, for example.

Who got locked up for the Grenfell disaster in our wonderful system?

In Russia there was a fatal cinema fire and arrests were made the following day

Yes, because Russia, and formerly the Soviet Union, have a long and storied history of instantly arresting anyone they can get their hands on in the aftermath of any sort of dissatisfactory event. Guilt and complicity not necessarily being relevant or required.

Who would you like to see arrested over Grenfell precisely?

I'm standing in a hospital in Tooting right now, resolutely unstabbed.

Don't know which young mother youre referring to, but if she's one whose tweets encouraged people to burn children alive, I'm happy for her to do some time inside.

In Russia you can be imprisoned for singing a punk song in a church

Those responsible. All of them. Start by looking at those who did not enforce the codes and allowed the poorest and most vulnerable, many of them immigrants and many children, to die. Those who wrote the codes if the codes allowed for unsafe buildings. Those who managed the building. Those who approved the attachment of dangerous flammable cladding and those who installed it.

There's gotta be at least one person in there who is responsible for a fire that actually KILLED immigrants, which should be treated more seriously than a hastily-deleted tweet viwed by a handful of people posted by a badly-advised young mother, you'd think? In our spectacular world-beating legal system?

Or where countries don't properly investigate

Start by looking at those who did not enforce the codes and allowed the poorest and most vulnerable, many of them immigrants and many children, to die. Those who wrote the codes if the codes allowed for unsafe buildings. Those who managed the building. Those who approved the attachment of dangerous flammable cladding and those who installed it

Did the wonderful Russian legal system manage to wade through all of this in the sub-24hours between the aforementioned cinema fire, and the subsequent arrests?

Wow, impressive stuff.

Have to say I’m surprised the UK appears so high in the list. I imagine this is very much around the definition of a serial killer and policing in individual countries.

It's a flawed country, like this one. The difference is that there the people I met admitted it.

I am ashamed of the passive approach to corruption here, the indifference to human life. When ordinary people don't even care that no one is held accountable for things like Grenfell. Which is why it will happen again and again.

I am ashamed of the passive approach to corruption here

Now I know you are just "at it". Thanks for the hearty laugh though 😆

Child 44 (film) - Wikipedia https://share.google/bEXh6ScLcaNoAOipP
I read Child44 and saw the movie some time ago which suggests that the Soviets covered up a serial killer based on a real case.

Yeah. It's a hilarious subject.

I'm an outsider with only intermediate Japanese, but it seemed to me Japanese people are also deeply shocked by crimes in a way people here no longer seem to be. I happened to be there when very unpleasant story broke about a rapist. There was a profound shock and disgust and open desire for his death.