4 yrs for cutting down tree, no jail time for rape

[Barnbrack]

Why are 2 men being given custodial sentences for cutting down a tree when men convicted of rape regularly get suspended sentences.

Is an important tree more important than a random woman! Justice system seems to think so.

You are absolutely desperate for an argument. Put the wine down and go to bed.

I've worked in Scottish prisons.

I’ve no real opinion on the tree… but did it not fall onto Hadrians wall?

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Well I was referring to U.K.

Rape – Sentencing Academy https://share.google/Pmzn0pSNRDPasusbY

It's interesting to me that this gives the 'average custodial sentences for rape' as being between 4 and 19 years (crazy range first of all, what statistical analysis is generating this bizarre number) because that may highlight a reason for shorter sentences being non custodial as they then don't affect that statistics meaning it's artificially high (while already being doctored to buggery, it's like saying the average piece of string between 1cm and 14 metres... )

And he will be out before 5 years is up - why we have half sentences mystifies me.
Our society does not value women's right not to be attacked, and jail sentences reflect the general sexism we live under.

God I wish I had wine. Instead it's a work night, the kids have just gone to bed and I'm having 10 minutes before I clean and go to bed myself. I just can't quite equate the way people see this.

Yes it's very sad they cut down a tree that matters to people.

It just doesn't make sense within the landscape of sentencing for violent crimes particularly against women

Of course rape should be better prosecuted and dealt with rigorously and judged harshly.

Which is no argument for leniency for vandalism against trees and historical features such as Hadrian’s Wall

You don't hink Scotland is in the UK?

People who lie about who was driving a speeding car can be jailed, but no jail time for the massive liars Boris Johnson and Tony Blair.

He was not given a suspended sentence. He was given an absolute discharge due to having dementia. There is a difference.

Look, I get you’re trailing the net looking for a solitary example to try and prove me wrong, although you are still yet to find one, I just don’t understand why you’re doing it. It won’t change the fact that sentencing guidelines in England start at 4 years for rape and suspended sentences are not given to convicted rapists.

Yep! People taken to court for breaking COVID restrictions,... Yet Boris was having after work parties and Dominic Cummins was away using relatives for childcare because he was poorly. There's disparity everywhere I don't dispute that!

It's just I recently had read a few articles regarding sexual crimes that seemed to carry negligible sentences and then saw this and thought, wow, women are less than trees now. Fun.

Again, not a suspended sentence.

Agree.

Thanks, I was obviously asking Uncle Google the wrong question but have now found them and a few others.
I wasn't aware there were any exclusively sex offender prisons and I see the three you mention were all made exclusive since I did my last prison visits (showing my age).
Every day is a school day.

Edited to add
Of course not all sex offenders are in these exclusive prisons, there are still many on separate wings in regular prisons but I have been interested to read about the specialist prisons.

And no custodial for having pictures of child sexual abuse. It’s insane. It’s a tree. It’s a depressing insight.

Both stories you have posted are of people who have been discharged due to advanced dementia, that's different to sentencing.

Actually I just found a piece of legislation stopping judges giving suspended sentences for rape in England specifically in December 2023.

That doesn't include other serious sexual assaults though.

I guess I should rephrase. Do you not think the discrepancy between suspended sentences for serious and repeated sexual assaults of women and young girls are an insult to women and speak of systemic mysogyny when compared to 4 yr custodial sentences for cutting down a tree and being an accomplice to someone to cutting down a tree?

Also interesting that being drunk doesn't absolve someone of cutting down a tree but is often used to justify a man getting carried away and 'accidentally' assaulting someone

But how will any woman tree feel safe if these men are not safely behind bars for many years?

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I think you're looking at it backwards. 4 years for cutting down a historic landmark is normal. 0 years for rape isn't. Feel sorry for all women who have experienced sexual assault and rape. It makes you feel worthless to read a tree got served 4 years of justice and all women get is a closed case by the police.

Go and hug a tree and get some rest OP. Nobody disagrees with you about rape sentencing.

Why are you so invested in downplaying sexual assaults?

Never mind getting into comparative sentencing, this 4 year sentence is totally and utterly bonkers.