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To think Religious education in schools should be replaced by AI education

274 replies

IsitRainin · 15/07/2025 17:48

Looking at how quickly AI is advancing, our education system needs to be overhauled.
There's no benefit of subjects like Religious education in today's world and people can learn about it from their family. This should be replaced by AI studies and other STEM subjects which will prepare the Children to be ready and up to date with future advancement and at par with children from China, USA and rest of the world.

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Moglet4 · 16/07/2025 07:16

Mydadsbirthday · 15/07/2025 23:03

Ignoring the ridiculous OP, I can't believe someone is suggesting replacing MFL!

Yes, I was working my way back to this comment too! It’s disgraceful how poor our MFL teaching is. Really we should be aiming to start in Reception.

TheLudditesWereRight · 16/07/2025 07:18

Still curious as to how the rest of the civilised world manages to produce productive and enlightened citizens without compulsory RE lessons

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:25

Moglet4 · 16/07/2025 07:16

Yes, I was working my way back to this comment too! It’s disgraceful how poor our MFL teaching is. Really we should be aiming to start in Reception.

Why, we don’t need it. Also I think reception classes have bigger issues on their hands such as poor speech and toileting issues.

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:27

LittleBearPad · 16/07/2025 07:00

Church schools aren’t funded by the diocese. Their funding comes from local councils / government.

Exactly why church schools need to be scrapped. My children had one foisted on them curtesy of the tax payer with no other school choice anywhere.

TheLudditesWereRight · 16/07/2025 07:28

Mfl is a far better use of classroom time than either RE or AI.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 16/07/2025 07:29

JacquesHarlow · 16/07/2025 00:04

Dear @IsitRainin

If you're so clear on what you think we need in our educational institutions, and you're so passionate about the link between this and our economic productivity, then why haven't you become

  • A school governor
  • Work at your local council in the Education department
  • an MP so you can sit on cross-bench committees on the subject
  • Join a trade body or similar that speaks on AI and the economy, and become a speaker and campaigner for the issue

I'm making a big assumption here that you're none of these, but I think I can tell what I am reading.

But honestly, please... anything but starting a thread on Mumsnet where you keep stirring the energy by saying

  • we're worse than China or the USA (but without any stats or facts)
  • We are behind in the AI "race" because we don't have an LLM ( again this is a fallacy - the real gains will be made by those who know how to deploy it effectively, not merely those who build it)
  • RE is pointless (and yet how can pupils critique the impact of AI without philosophy or ethics...?)

YABU.

Because those things require effort and knowledge of the education system.

The OP isn’t interested in facts or alternative views. They’ve decided their opinion is the right one and that’s that. Ironically demonstrating why Religion, Philosophy and Ethics are important subjects.

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:29

I do think RE of some sort is needed in order to stop polarisation and ignorance re other religions however the content and amount of time spent on it is ludicrous.

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:30

TheLudditesWereRight · 16/07/2025 07:28

Mfl is a far better use of classroom time than either RE or AI.

It really isn’t.

LittleBearPad · 16/07/2025 07:31

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:29

I do think RE of some sort is needed in order to stop polarisation and ignorance re other religions however the content and amount of time spent on it is ludicrous.

40 odd hours a year?

Moglet4 · 16/07/2025 07:32

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:25

Why, we don’t need it. Also I think reception classes have bigger issues on their hands such as poor speech and toileting issues.

That is such an arrogant and peculiarly British attitude. It’s precisely this exceptionalism that’s caused so many of the problems our country now faces. Most of us live in a global world now and it is essential to be able to communicate effectively. It should start young because that is the most effective way of teaching it - secondary school is really too late. Yes, there are other issues in primary schools but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t aim for an optimal curriculum!

LittleBearPad · 16/07/2025 07:32

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:29

I do think RE of some sort is needed in order to stop polarisation and ignorance re other religions however the content and amount of time spent on it is ludicrous.

Have you read the content of the curriculum?

minnienono · 16/07/2025 07:34

Ai should be part of science education. Do you not realise what stem is? It’s already taught! Science, technology, engineering and maths!

my dd has gone into schools to talk about careers in STEM, you get 3/4 of the year groaning because they are fed up by being told they have no option but work in STEM. In reality most of us don’t

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 16/07/2025 07:36

TheLudditesWereRight · 16/07/2025 07:18

Still curious as to how the rest of the civilised world manages to produce productive and enlightened citizens without compulsory RE lessons

Do they though? Look at America. It’s not feeling very enlightened at the moment and much of what is happening is being justified by so called Christian values.

And China has been mentioned a few times but neither you or @IsitRainin have acknowledged my comments on their curriculum. They might not have compulsory religious education but they do have compulsory teaching on Marxism, socialism and all high school and university students have mandatory military training. Is that preferable to less than an hour of RE a week?

RampantIvy · 16/07/2025 07:37

So much ignorance on this thread.
DD left school 7 years ago and even I know that RE/Citizenship/PPE or whatever it is called these days is not about having religion forced down your throat. It is usually about an hour a week at most.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 16/07/2025 07:37

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:29

I do think RE of some sort is needed in order to stop polarisation and ignorance re other religions however the content and amount of time spent on it is ludicrous.

Less than a hour a week?

Ddakji · 16/07/2025 07:41

RampantIvy · 16/07/2025 07:37

So much ignorance on this thread.
DD left school 7 years ago and even I know that RE/Citizenship/PPE or whatever it is called these days is not about having religion forced down your throat. It is usually about an hour a week at most.

To be fair, most of the ignorance is coming from the OP.

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:42

Moglet4 · 16/07/2025 07:32

That is such an arrogant and peculiarly British attitude. It’s precisely this exceptionalism that’s caused so many of the problems our country now faces. Most of us live in a global world now and it is essential to be able to communicate effectively. It should start young because that is the most effective way of teaching it - secondary school is really too late. Yes, there are other issues in primary schools but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t aim for an optimal curriculum!

We have phones, computers that can translate and look up anything. We’re not in a global world, most countries don’t want immigration and most jobs needing staff from abroad can be and often are done from home. Considering the huge of pressures on schools at the moment MFL is very low on the priority list.

Ddakji · 16/07/2025 07:43

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:29

I do think RE of some sort is needed in order to stop polarisation and ignorance re other religions however the content and amount of time spent on it is ludicrous.

Can you expand on what about the content and the length of time spent on it bothers you?

LittleBearPad · 16/07/2025 07:43

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:42

We have phones, computers that can translate and look up anything. We’re not in a global world, most countries don’t want immigration and most jobs needing staff from abroad can be and often are done from home. Considering the huge of pressures on schools at the moment MFL is very low on the priority list.

Not really given it’s a key way to learn about the world and other cultures.

Moglet4 · 16/07/2025 07:46

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:42

We have phones, computers that can translate and look up anything. We’re not in a global world, most countries don’t want immigration and most jobs needing staff from abroad can be and often are done from home. Considering the huge of pressures on schools at the moment MFL is very low on the priority list.

Not in a global world????!!!!! Are you living under a rock? I’m acutely aware of the problems schools face and their limitations. I’m talking ideally, not realistically, but then I think much of the curriculum needs a rethink.

Nagginthenag · 16/07/2025 07:48

IsitRainin · 15/07/2025 21:56

Can anyone explain to me what had been the benefit of teaching religions for 5*38 = 190 hours every school year?

Tell me, did you use AI to come up with that figure?

TheLudditesWereRight · 16/07/2025 07:57

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 16/07/2025 07:36

Do they though? Look at America. It’s not feeling very enlightened at the moment and much of what is happening is being justified by so called Christian values.

And China has been mentioned a few times but neither you or @IsitRainin have acknowledged my comments on their curriculum. They might not have compulsory religious education but they do have compulsory teaching on Marxism, socialism and all high school and university students have mandatory military training. Is that preferable to less than an hour of RE a week?

Why would we have to be like China and America rather than, for example, Spain, Germany, France, Portugal, Italy, Austria etc.?

TheLudditesWereRight · 16/07/2025 07:57

Mustard4747 · 16/07/2025 07:42

We have phones, computers that can translate and look up anything. We’re not in a global world, most countries don’t want immigration and most jobs needing staff from abroad can be and often are done from home. Considering the huge of pressures on schools at the moment MFL is very low on the priority list.

You are aware that AI regularly translates positive sentences into negatives and vice versa, right?

Needmorelego · 16/07/2025 07:58

TheLudditesWereRight · 16/07/2025 07:18

Still curious as to how the rest of the civilised world manages to produce productive and enlightened citizens without compulsory RE lessons

They frequently don't going by the amount of ignorance, hatred and wars in the world.

TheLudditesWereRight · 16/07/2025 08:00

Needmorelego · 16/07/2025 07:58

They frequently don't going by the amount of ignorance, hatred and wars in the world.

Of course the UK with its compulsory RE is famously exempt from ignorance and hatred