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Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 14/07/2025 14:32

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

Fourth item in The Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.
Keep on the path as we have done together amazingly well for six threads so far. No saltiness. Thank you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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Redheadedstepchild · 16/07/2025 17:10

I'm still sticking to my folie à deux theory but sometimes I entertain the idea that we might be looking at a slightly watered down version of the plot of Misery, in which Moth is held psychologically and somewhat physically captive to a dangerously obsessed woman.

In other news, I staggered to the supermarket today with my neurological condition which was a long walk, there and back by my current standards, especially carrying back my shopping. I was really pleased with myself and stopped on the corner to do a bit of luxury treat buying at my friend's bakery/deli shop on the corner opposite the flats

I've known the family for nearly twenty years, good times and bad. They rib me a bit over my accent and the big joke is me saying, "Ratatouille."

I do not say, "Watatwee" whatever they make out.

I can't win. On days when my accent is really good and I use Corsican slang, they think it's even funnier. Anyway, they gave me a free liitle financier cake today for being brave. It is a bit old because they made them for 14th July with white creamy frosting type stuff on top and blueberries and raspberries to represent the French tricolore.

They didn’t sell as well as expected probably but it's a true gift, generously offered, without me asking for it.

See! Stay in the same place, be reasonably pleasant and honest and you'll be fine. The cake's not stale either because it's made with almond flour and has gone nicer and squishier with maturity. It's dipped in rocher nutty milk chocolate on the bottom too.

Could a pilfered finger of fudge taste so sweet?

Yabberwok · 16/07/2025 17:16

Catwith69lives · 16/07/2025 09:39

I admit that its purely hypothetical, but could they defend their actions and the success of TSP as follows:

  1. Regarding the embezzlement from the Hemmings. Yes we admit this happened. We have repaid the money stolen but we admit that we were entirely to blame and we are truly sorry.
  2. We did lose our house and became homeless. Yes we were to some degree authors of our misfortune. We did have some land in France but it was uninhabitable and not really an option to go and live there in a tent. We didn't have access to the French health system and wouldn't have had access to Moth's tax credits in France.
  3. OK we did shift the CBS diagnosis from 2015 to 2013 for literary effect. However, the 2015 diagnosis helped explain what Moth was suffering and therefore he did have CBS at the time of the walk.
  4. Moth did get better during the walk although we realise his CBS path is atypical and progresses slowly.
  5. The description of the walk is pretty much what happened although most of it was compiled from notes scribbled in the margins of the Paddy Dillon guidebook so there may be a few minor errors here and there.

And that would have been a lot better than the actual statement which basically says there was no way I could prove I didn't take the money, but the business was being badly run so I paid the money back. In essence they deserved it but it wasn't me, so I paid the money back...

Then we somehow took a loan from a person because he owed us money and that wasn't our fault. And the court wouldn't listen when I showed them some proof, because I showed it too late and they took our home.

In the meantime we tried to raffle our home.

Just on the bare basis of the facts as presented in their statement either they were so unintelligent that there is no way they would have the mental capacity to even write a book between them, or the truth completely missing from the statement.

Redheadedstepchild · 16/07/2025 17:17

mauvishagain · 16/07/2025 16:40

I'm not a neurologist but I was (before I retired) a medical doctor and have covered aspects of neurology in training and in work. The contents of the hospital letters gets raised quite frequently so I thought I'd try to explain more. Skip this is you don't want a neuro tutorial!

Symptoms and signs are different things. Symptoms are what the patient compains of - and in neurology, they can be many and varied, and of course no-one but the patient can know what things actually feel like to them. The 2nd paragraph in the 2015 letter lists the symptoms.

Signs are what an outside party can see or elicit. Some of these can be faked (eg you could imagine you could hold a limb very stiffly out of choice), some would be much more difficult to fake.The third para in the 2015 letter is about this. An experienced neurologist should have a good feel for genuine signs, and there are little "tricks of the trade" that can sometimes help distinguish between genuine and fake.

Looking at the signs: firstly, Parkinsons disease and similar states often affect a person assymetrically, and usually lead to reduced voluntary movements. So reduced L arm movements is entirely possible. The "myoclonus" refers to that irritating involutary muscle twitches that we all sometimes get, not a bigger jerking movement; I can't think how you'd fake myoclonus. "Abnormal posturing of the left hemibody while he walks" fits with his illness but is it for real? I haven't seen TW bending or leaning awkwardly in any pictures or videos. Ideomotor apraxia would be pretty easy to fake; stereognosis ditto. Basically these mean that he would find it difficult to repeat demonstrated movements, and to recognise position of parts of the body (shut your eyes, ask someone to move your toe or your thumb - you know what position you're holding it in even though you can't see it. Neuro damage can mean that the brain can't tell the position). Saccadic eye movements are very quick and brief flickering movements of the eyes as they move; I don't think you'd be able to fake those. So we really just have the eye movements and myoclonus. Hardly severe, hardly a terminal state.

By 2019, he's had a scan which shows "dopaminergic depletion" - ie less of the chemical dopamine that you'd expect in the brain, and this gives weight to the idea of a Parkinson-type illness. He also has "atypical disturbance of the anal sphincter function" - let's not go into this too much! It could be neuro - but usually it's not!

It sounds from these letters as though there's been virtually no neurological disease progression over the years though clearly TW has had some more recent heart problems.

Thankyou. The very first tests I ever had done, repeated over and over is, "Blunt or sharp" sticking a whatever you call it into my feet, legs, hands etc with my eyes closed.

Walk backwards and forwards, eyes closed. Touch your fingers together, eyes closed etc.

FlyAgaricc · 16/07/2025 17:19

@Redheadedstepchild thank you for the lovely little story. Your description of the cake is making me want to give up veganism

Uricon2 · 16/07/2025 17:21

@Redheadedstepchild your posts conjure up images so well. I can almost taste that financier. Another poster who should consider a book (and Corsica has always fascinated me!)

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 16/07/2025 17:24

@LostSunglasses He always manages to look surly and vaguely shifty, and in his Poet Laureate official photo he looks like he's up in the dock for petty theft.

Oh how I miss the 😆 reaction.

Merrymouse · 16/07/2025 17:27

Redheadedstepchild · 16/07/2025 17:10

I'm still sticking to my folie à deux theory but sometimes I entertain the idea that we might be looking at a slightly watered down version of the plot of Misery, in which Moth is held psychologically and somewhat physically captive to a dangerously obsessed woman.

In other news, I staggered to the supermarket today with my neurological condition which was a long walk, there and back by my current standards, especially carrying back my shopping. I was really pleased with myself and stopped on the corner to do a bit of luxury treat buying at my friend's bakery/deli shop on the corner opposite the flats

I've known the family for nearly twenty years, good times and bad. They rib me a bit over my accent and the big joke is me saying, "Ratatouille."

I do not say, "Watatwee" whatever they make out.

I can't win. On days when my accent is really good and I use Corsican slang, they think it's even funnier. Anyway, they gave me a free liitle financier cake today for being brave. It is a bit old because they made them for 14th July with white creamy frosting type stuff on top and blueberries and raspberries to represent the French tricolore.

They didn’t sell as well as expected probably but it's a true gift, generously offered, without me asking for it.

See! Stay in the same place, be reasonably pleasant and honest and you'll be fine. The cake's not stale either because it's made with almond flour and has gone nicer and squishier with maturity. It's dipped in rocher nutty milk chocolate on the bottom too.

Could a pilfered finger of fudge taste so sweet?

I would read the book about the 'Watatwee' and financiers!

Do they ever explain why they have to walk the coastal path in Cornwall, and why they can't walk the coastal path on their door step? Is it because their son lives there?

User14March · 16/07/2025 17:27

Orangesandlemons77 · 16/07/2025 16:56

I'm wondering about pregabalin withdrawal syndrome, given the rapid withdrawal in TSP. Would that result in the flickering eye movements and myoclonus?

That's the sort of thing I have had since withdrawing from pregabalin. It can cause ongoing problems.

I'm also a bit surprised the neurologist didn't mention the pregabalin and coming off it, the one I saw was quite interested in the meds and side effects etc

Edited

Wow, abnormal gait, check, memory loss, check, dizziness, check…etc.

Orangesandlemons77 · 16/07/2025 17:29

Yabberwok · 16/07/2025 17:16

And that would have been a lot better than the actual statement which basically says there was no way I could prove I didn't take the money, but the business was being badly run so I paid the money back. In essence they deserved it but it wasn't me, so I paid the money back...

Then we somehow took a loan from a person because he owed us money and that wasn't our fault. And the court wouldn't listen when I showed them some proof, because I showed it too late and they took our home.

In the meantime we tried to raffle our home.

Just on the bare basis of the facts as presented in their statement either they were so unintelligent that there is no way they would have the mental capacity to even write a book between them, or the truth completely missing from the statement.

The thing is writing a more honest and clear statement would mean owning up to their responsibilities which seems like a problem for them.

User14March · 16/07/2025 17:30

Orangesandlemons77 · 16/07/2025 17:03

I notice here those kind of things come under the side effects. Note that it shouldn't be stopped abruptly.

https://www.kch.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/3156-Pregabalin-medication-titration-FINAL.pdf

Wow, all the inexplicable symptoms are here…coincidentally, perhaps…

Orangesandlemons77 · 16/07/2025 17:30

User14March · 16/07/2025 17:27

Wow, abnormal gait, check, memory loss, check, dizziness, check…etc.

I know. I've been through pregabalin withdrawal myself and it is one of the most horrible things, even now over a year on get stuff like that still, which seems to come and go. Grim

More on pregabalin here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66579996

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66568460

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7eaffded915d74e33f1ca9/PHE-NHS_England_pregabalin_and_gabapentin_advice_Dec_2014.pdf

LostSunglasses · 16/07/2025 17:30

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User14March · 16/07/2025 17:33

Orangesandlemons77 · 16/07/2025 17:30

I know. I've been through pregabalin withdrawal myself and it is one of the most horrible things, even now over a year on get stuff like that still, which seems to come and go. Grim

More on pregabalin here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66579996

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66568460

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7eaffded915d74e33f1ca9/PHE-NHS_England_pregabalin_and_gabapentin_advice_Dec_2014.pdf

Edited

Sorry to hear & Ray preferred him off it as ‘less slow’ despite his pain. What with this and giving him water straight from a stream…although to be fair she had the latter herself.

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GogleddCymru · 16/07/2025 17:44

Hi MumsNetters. I've been following these threads (and MN in general) for ages but this is my first post. I've also been following the unfolding saga on a well-known social media platform (the one that posts pieces from newspapers that people then comment on - oh stuff it, Facebook), and am fascinated by the polarisation of commenters: broadly speaking, it's either a) 'she's an embezzler and they're both liars and grifters, her books were predicated on untruths and I feel duped/ disappointed/ betrayed', or b) 'it was only a book, what does it matter, who cares, books are never 100% accurate, good luck to them.'

So far as I've seen, Camp A people don't necessarily believe everything that the newspapers have reported, but might also have sought out other sources of information. They probably read at least TSP but there's a high chance that they sensed something was 'off' about it and might not have finished. If they DID finish it, read the others, watched the film, they are among the ones who feel the strongest sense of betrayal - superseded only by those who have (or loved ones have/ had) the same disease as Tim Walker and realise that they were given false hope. Camp A people are the ones who care most about the embezzling, the other stealing, and all the other assorted lies.

Camp B people, on the other hand, disregard the newspaper reports as nonsense or exaggerated or 'unproven' or downright lies. The Observer journalist is spiteful, or jealous, and the others are bandwagon-jumping - ditto Camp A people who post on the same thread (even, shamefully, relatives/ friends of Martin Hemmings who have posted saying 'He was my xxxx and he never recovered', who have been quizzed and told 'can't you just let it go?'). In Camp B people's minds, they were lovely, heartwarming books, and isn't it great if they've made people go outside in the fresh air? Some of them don't appear to know what non-fiction or memoir means. They call the Walkers Ray and Moth, as if they're personal friends, and the tone of their posts seems to be either sentimental and reductive ('but they lost everything and then made something of themselves!'), passive-aggressive ('how nice that you've never made mistakes in your life') or hectoring. The cognitive dissonance is strong.

I do understand how hard it is to accept that you've been duped - I was married to a (diagnosed) narcissist who was also a pathological liar; he turned out to be a convicted paedophile (albeit one with a vivid imagination) and even now,10 years later, I have to heed my therapist's words that it wasn't me being gullible, it was him being - well, provide your own word ... ! But I honestly don't understand how people (Camp B) are so convinced that Camp A people are wrong, and find it so impossible to say 'well b*gger me, they were a right pair, weren't they'...

Any thoughts?

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FurryHappyKittens · 16/07/2025 17:45

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We shouldn't be naming family members. I've reported the posts that do.

Redheadedstepchild · 16/07/2025 17:49

Orangesandlemons77 · 16/07/2025 17:30

I know. I've been through pregabalin withdrawal myself and it is one of the most horrible things, even now over a year on get stuff like that still, which seems to come and go. Grim

More on pregabalin here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66579996

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66568460

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7eaffded915d74e33f1ca9/PHE-NHS_England_pregabalin_and_gabapentin_advice_Dec_2014.pdf

Edited

I took pregabalin for two months. Really low dosage. I could get up and look at the packet of the stuff I've still got in the bathroom cabinet to see how many mgs it was but I don't feel like it.

It was fine for a while but then I started, "throwing" my right leg. It sort of wouldn't walk properly but wanted to do a kind of circuler motion in the air before my foot came down. So I stopped taking pregabalin.

Catwith69lives · 16/07/2025 17:51

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LostSunglasses · 16/07/2025 17:52

FurryHappyKittens · 16/07/2025 17:45

We shouldn't be naming family members. I've reported the posts that do.

Edited

Sure, but I don't think anyone is suggesting any of them did anything wrong, or are in any way involved.

FlyAgaricc · 16/07/2025 17:53

@GogleddCymru
I can't answer your question but I am very sorry to hear about your experience.

AldoGordo · 16/07/2025 17:53

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AldoGordo · 16/07/2025 17:55

FurryHappyKittens · 16/07/2025 17:45

We shouldn't be naming family members. I've reported the posts that do.

Edited

It's public record and nothing untoward has been said about them.

Orangesandlemons77 · 16/07/2025 17:56

Redheadedstepchild · 16/07/2025 17:49

I took pregabalin for two months. Really low dosage. I could get up and look at the packet of the stuff I've still got in the bathroom cabinet to see how many mgs it was but I don't feel like it.

It was fine for a while but then I started, "throwing" my right leg. It sort of wouldn't walk properly but wanted to do a kind of circuler motion in the air before my foot came down. So I stopped taking pregabalin.

It's so weird isn't it. I have never felt so strange on it, or coming off. They put me on a high dose for post shingles pain and it was addictive, I got shaky if I didn't take the next dose on time and it was a bit scary, so glad I tapered off it. Even though I've never really felt the same. I have gabapentin now which seems gentler and less addictive, and co-codomol, both feel less addictive than pregabalin

Catwith69lives · 16/07/2025 18:04

DiamondThrone · 16/07/2025 17:59

Raynor Winn's agent doesn't seem to be in a hurry to update their website. Still says the next book is coming out this year...

Raynor Winn, Non-fiction bestseller author — Graham Maw Christie Agency

As does RW's IG feed!

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