Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

Fourth item in The Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

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Keep on the path as we have done together amazingly well for six threads so far. No saltiness. Thank you.

Obviously book marking for updates. Thanks for the new thread.

No I think you've missed the point . The lawyer she spoke to explained the effect of the documents

If they weren't securing a charge it's vanishingly unlikely you'd have been able to obtain them from land registry so I think we can knock that suggestion away pretty swiftly. Plus it's confirmed by the fact they did indeed lose their house when they couldn't repay it.

I think that's a good point. On top of that, it seems it was a joint venture with his brother. It also would appear his brother was relatively financially successful to also buy a huge chateau (and go on to successfully restore it). Perhaps T was hoping his brother would finance the venture but it ultimately led to friction as money often does. They also remortgaged the Welsh house to buy the ruin so that would be additional pressure.

@champagnetrial I get your point but it really hinges on whether the information he gave her about the documents was accurate or not I think. CH could have easily skipped over that anecdote and said just that she'd got legal advice/interpretation. Does it change the accuracy of what she found? Doesn't sound like it.

It's a long entry and whilst we're not in the realms of delusion suffered by the Swedish twins etc - there is a theme of, "Social and psychical isolation" and I would draw your attention to the heading titled, "Biopsychological effects."

It's just a theory and there's much more at play here but the interesting thing about Raymoth - is that they are Raymoth. At no point in any of these seven threads has anybody said with great conviction, "I bet he'll divorce her now." Or the other way round. They are one.

I think the solicitor she spoke to was giving her general advice on how to interpret information in the public domain.

He’s also a writer I think NB: ‘Stopcock’ & ‘Izzy Wyn’ book of same ish time period.

So they remortgaged the Welsh house in order to buy the French "ruin" that it seems was never inhabitable. But we've also been told that the Welsh house had a mortgage of £230,000 against it by the time they lost it. Surely the French house and land were never worth £230k. Why would they get such a big mortgage? If they only needed a fraction of that to buy the French ruin, what did they want the rest of the money for? What did they spend it on?

Can anyone approximate how much money Raymoth have generated so far?

Depends whether he didn’t know about the credit cards because she deliberately deceived him or because he left her to deal with their finances.

@FlyAgaricc

They remind me of this classic song:

"We are each other."

But did Tim's sibling and family move their permanently? If I was moving to a foreign country I'd choose to live somewhere not so bleak and desolate.

@KeepTalkingBeth "what did they want the rest of the money for? What did they spend it on?"
This is what I want to know. There's something missing in this story. A black hole that all their money goes down

@AldoGordo I've been the 'quietly observing teenager/young adult' watching parents/parents friends/friends of parents friends etc, doing all sorts of joint ventures that ranged from the sensible to the utterly ridiculous, with properties in Spain, France, boats, boats in France...

My parents bought (from friends) a cottage in Wales, and did it up - no bother there but a lot of the normal stresses of buying and renovating something with small children at foot (though by that point we were quite familiar with living on building sites) - and the purchase of a burnt out derelict barn in the Midlands was what put the kibosh on my parents marriage in the end, twas the final straw - and this was without any actual financial issues. Just the stress of doing it alongside real life!

So I can absolutely see that over stretched finances in order to keep up with the more successful brother, and mis-matched goals (Sally/Tim hoping/expecting financial assistance from Tims brother perhaps, and Tims brother having no such intentions) would reallllllllly fuck things up, particularly if one of you or both of you has fragile mental health!

We don't know how much they had left on the original mortgage before remortgaging. It does sound like the French wreck was a possible contributor to their later financal issues though.

I occasionally have a fantasy look through the French property market (a few years ago found a very fetching medieval Templarie which I'm almost certain had plumbing) There are-certainly were back then- plenty of really nice, habitable places for what seems like peanuts to us, if you're will to be very rural, which Village Du Dropt is. It seems an insane purchase unless you had a plan and the readies to do it up.

Unless they had found gold, or oil, or something, which I rather doubt.

PMark

Someone asked on the previous thread about whether the film would be in trouble for not fact checking the story. I’m not sure it will be as, whilst I haven’t checked what the blurb for the film actually says, they usually say that it is based on a true story as there will always be some discrepancies in what they can actually recreate. Marina Hyde said something on TRIE last week too about having to make up bits of dialogue for a film to work (paraphrasing massively there - she was much more eloquent!).
One minor thing which has bugged me throughout was whether the fudge they stole was bars of Cadburys fudge in an orange wrapper or proper fudge that comes in slices. For some reason, I thought it was Cadburys.
I have a dilemma which is whether to read the second & third book. I always found TSP jarring in some aspects so didn’t plan on reading the subsequent books but I am now intrigued! Presumably, there will be copies of the 4th book actually in existence somewhere by now. I wonder if the few people who have access to them read them once all of this came out!

I think they might have a habit of buying assets that look cheap, but that are very expensive to maintain.

Im surprised there isn’t yet a story about them buying a boat.

Remortgage often just means a standard security against a house for a loan of a much smaller amount like £10,000 for example.

The moved permanently to the chateau 41 min drive away in a town.

Tim is as bad as Sally and we can't believe anything he says either.

He lies to misdirect or gain sympathy for Sally. There were a few examples in the same Times article (I'm coping and pasting from my own post in thread 5)

I don't think we can believe she took out credit cards in his name, without him knowing (if it even happened at all).

From the Times article
Hemmings recalled Tim sobbing and claiming that his wife had fled to the Isle of Skye because she was so upset.In fact, it seems Walker had travelled to London to see Stan, a close relative of Tim’s who would come to play a pivotal role in The Salt Path.

He came into work one day and said his wife had lost her job as a bookkeeper at a hotel in Abersoch and he was a bit worried,” Hemmings said.
Coincidentally, the bookkeeper at the surveying and estate agency run by her husband, Martin, in Pwllheli had recently retired. Sally Walker was given a part-time job

Re the credit card comment
When Tim arrived two days later, she says, he explained with disbelief that his wife had taken out four credit cards in his name without his knowledge.
Stan agreed to find the couple a good lawyer and to provide them a loan “to avoid her being prosecuted for stealing from her employer”, Jane recalled.

Also his own nephew has already called both of them pathological liars.

As someone else has said the three nubile blondes, massage & wealthy chap in the very good lasagne episode be interesting to track down. Prob easier than others to find. Reminds me of the falling through the chicken shop roof & trapped for 3 days fever dream article.

Thanks @AldoGordo
It just seems like such a risky thing to do

Did anyone else spot that she set up a go fund me page last year to help. Cover the cost of printing the " journals," for her up coming gig with the hurdy gurdy band?

They both have basically the same name in TSP - she's Raynor and he's Moth aka Ray.

If you're making up names anyway why would you make up the same name?