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Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 14/07/2025 14:32

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

Fourth item in The Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.
Keep on the path as we have done together amazingly well for six threads so far. No saltiness. Thank you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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FurryHappyKittens · 15/07/2025 10:06

Medicine and therapeutic cures can behave oddly. My own father was given a prognosis of seven years for his vascular dementia. He lived for another ten years beyond that.

From the Spectator article.

My mum also had vascular dementia, and also lived longer than typical. However, what didn't happen with her, and I suspect also didn't happen with this man, was a miraculous recovery or a vast improvement in her symptoms at any point. It was a long, slow decline that ended as it always does.

Choux · 15/07/2025 10:06

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 09:31

Yes, I had similar thoughts yesterday. Just so hard to fathom their decision making.

At one point I thought I had an epiphany but it was a false alarm and I just can't make sense of the finances.

  • In 2007 they bought a French ruin by taking out a loan against their house (according to Salray). Why?
  • In 2008, Salray had embezzled, by then, a total of £64,000. Why? Was some of this actually used to purchase the French property as opposed to a loan? Or was it used to pay back the loan against their house? Was the rest being saved under a mattress for a rainy day and used to pay back Hemmings the initial theft?
  • But then we have a claim that Salray also had 4 credit cards in Timoth's name (according to Tim via wife of relative), likely maxed out. Why?
  • And then we have the bizarre loan of £100,000 with 18% interest charged against their home by the relative, which only makes sense out of desperation to pay back Hemmings and avoid criminal charges.
  • With Salray now unemployed (though Timoth working till 2013 according to letter) and still with the original mortgage and potential cc debt (assuming the loan only covered the Hemmings fiasco) as well as all living costs, how did life not unravel until the house was repossessed in 2013? It suggests some of the embezzled money remained to live off, perhaps frugally. But why not try to sell the French property sooner than 2013 when they claim to have first enquired about selling it?
Edited

Maybe the plan was to renovate and sell the Wales property for top whack and then take the money to France to do up the new place and buy out the brother from the pigeon tower. (It seems likely the bit in the rebuttal about buying a property next to a relative’s house ‘to save it from developers’ was what the brother did as the pigeon tower is close to Sally and Tim’s house and is the lesser property. You certainly wouldn’t want a stranger owning it).

But renovation costs a lot - the house looked great on Escape to the Country - so she started embezzling from work to pay for it. Then before they could sell it and leave, in 2008, the embezzlement was uncovered, the property market crashed (she even mentioned this in her rebuttal) and they had big problems. Cue high interest loan from the uncle, trying to sell the property in 2011 on Escape to the Country but who knows how long it was for sale before that, running up garage debts and French debts etc. it does seem to have unravelled slowly to the house repossession and there must have been some money coming from somewhere. Perhaps they borrowed from friends and relatives by telling lies and that’s why they are now so isolated.

Baileysandcream · 15/07/2025 10:06

Aspanielstolemysanity · 15/07/2025 09:46

Is there a way to read this without a subscription?

That's really strange because I don't have a subscription to the Spectator, it just opened for me when I clicked on the link.

I found it by googling Raynor Winn and then clicking on news to see the latest news articles.

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 10:06

champagnetrial · 15/07/2025 10:01

Did anyone else spot that she set up a go fund me page last year to help. Cover the cost of printing the " journals," for her up coming gig with the hurdy gurdy band?

Oh come on. It was Kickstarter, a perfectly legit platform for creative projects. And the 'hurdy gurdy' band are a super-group folk band in their own right, all talented musicians. (I assume you are using 'hurdy gurdy' as a pejorative term here).
It's this kind of lazy assumption and gossip that makes people more sympathetic to the story, tbf (outside of MN!)

Totally. It's not unusual to run such campaigns for niche projects- it ensures there's a market to buy it. Rather than paying for a print run upfront and hoping you can then sell the product. A bit like print on demand.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 15/07/2025 10:07

FlyAgaricc · 15/07/2025 09:40

@Aspanielstolemysanity Yes, that is interesting that they spent the day together. I wonder how suspicious Gillian really was. Sally is so brazen. Also the interviewer says Gillian even looks like you! And Sally totally accepts this, with a straight face. I would say, wow, thank you for the compliment!

She was probably thinking 'lucky Gillian'!

As another PP said Jason and Moth seemed to form a close relationship mainly because Moth was so happily open and told him very intimate things, including how he manages to go to the loo with his disability. Which thinking about it now I'm finding a bit suss, would you really give that level of personal information to a stranger? Even one who was portraying you.

It seems they both had completely different approaches, SallyRay told GA nothing and Moth told JI almost too much.

RNApolymerase · 15/07/2025 10:09

champagnetrial · 15/07/2025 10:01

Did anyone else spot that she set up a go fund me page last year to help. Cover the cost of printing the " journals," for her up coming gig with the hurdy gurdy band?

Oh come on. It was Kickstarter, a perfectly legit platform for creative projects. And the 'hurdy gurdy' band are a super-group folk band in their own right, all talented musicians. (I assume you are using 'hurdy gurdy' as a pejorative term here).
It's this kind of lazy assumption and gossip that makes people more sympathetic to the story, tbf (outside of MN!)

I agree with this. Many bands are now using kickstarter to pre-fund their next album. It's not a go fund me type situation as you end up with something for your money. Also a few of the comments about the band suggested they would want Ray on board to help their career - which tells me that the commenter doesn't know much about who they are and how successful they have already been in this band and in others.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 15/07/2025 10:11

narniabusiness · 15/07/2025 07:20

I thought it was most likely that the credit card story was cover for why they needed a loan when the actual reason was to repay the Hemmings. I could be getting my timelines mixed up though. There’s so much info it’s getting confusing.

Agree, this occurred to me too. And if the uncle who made the loan is connected to the nephew who called them pathological liars on his LinkedIn that could be one example of what he was talking about.

Jarstastic · 15/07/2025 10:16

crackofdoom · 14/07/2025 23:13

He's wrong though....

"The Salt Path was filmed in several locations along the South West Coast Path, including Minehead, Porlock Weir, Valley of Rocks, Clovelly, Hartland Quay, Padstow, Newquay, Holywell Bay, Port Quin, and Rame Head. Filming also took place in Chepstow and Aust, and at East Head at West Wittering. ([Classic Cottages]"

(Courtesy of Google)

They filmed the flooded tent incident at Holywell Bay rather than Portheras, which had me quietly tsking to myself in my cinema seat.

Edited

also Ilfracombe. they showed it from the top early in the film, then the cashpoint scheme and later in the film a street scene which should have been in Cornwall.

Lunde · 15/07/2025 10:17

Bruisername · 14/07/2025 22:34

Also from that blog
She was introduced as Raynor Wynn, but that was not the name she bore when she arrived in our village. When we met them, they were Sally And Timothy. However, later on we called her Rain and Wind.

why did they call her Rain and Wind? That’s weird

This is actually interesting - if you say "Rain and Wind" quite fast it sounds like Raynor Wynn - wonder if that's where the pen name originated

Choux · 15/07/2025 10:21

Raynor and Winn are Sally’s mother’s and Sally’s own maiden names.

FurryHappyKittens · 15/07/2025 10:22

The Mail article has lots of photos of the house, and also a photo a neighbour took of the family.

I think that in 2013 they would have been perfectly able to come here and live in a caravan, particularly since Tim's brother lived nearby.

But also, since Tim's dad lived near Pwllheli they could have stayed there, too.

The only reason they made themselves homeless was because they were avoiding her creditors.

I'm not a fan of people who buy period properties and leave them to rot. The couple present themselves as lovers of the land, and lovers of old properties that they lovingly restore.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14904933/French-property-Salt-Path.html?ito=nativesharearticle-top

Lunde · 15/07/2025 10:23

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 00:31

Ah yes. I thought you were meaning she got the credit cards specifically in order to repay the money rather than already having them. Could explain how she got the money. Or perhaps had a stash of embezzled cash at home?

I was thinking that she might have a pile of cash at home. She wouldn't want to keep it in a bank account and risk it being taken to pay debts. Perhaps she was stockpiling the stolen money to renovate in France.

I wonder if they were always planning to do a runner leaving the unpaid debts but the fraud at her job was discovered earlier than expected.

Crikeyalmighty · 15/07/2025 10:25

@AldoGordo indeed - we have bands we deal with who do this for side projects - it’s a great way of gauging demand -

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 10:26

ThatFluentHedgehog · 15/07/2025 10:11

Agree, this occurred to me too. And if the uncle who made the loan is connected to the nephew who called them pathological liars on his LinkedIn that could be one example of what he was talking about.

I don't think a connection has been established there yet. That nephew is the son of the French chateaux and pigeon house brother (of Tim's)

I also think the DM got it wrong when they said the loan man relative was Timoth's uncle. I've done some digging and believe I've found the correct person, assuming the DM were right with his name and year of death. But I've been unable to establish a family connection from looking at records.

Lunde · 15/07/2025 10:26

Catwith69lives · 15/07/2025 09:19

The DM piece adds a few strands to the narrative:

  • it torpedoes SW's rebuttal claim that the property was bought in 2007, with a family member, to prevent a land developer buying the plot
  • the neighbour who is interviewed in the DM article, indicates that it was a joint project with TW's younger brother, Martyn, to enable them to bond
  • The local mayor is adamant that taxes are still owed on the property, refuting SW's claim to the contrary
  • the purchase price of the property (a few thousand euros) doesn't seem to explain the Walker's need to embezzle £64k from the Hemmings
  • when the Walkers bought the property in the Village du Dropt it had been uninhabited for some time. Although you could pitch a tent on the land, you couldn't really live there. So, in a sense, I think this backs up SW's narrative that they were indeed homeless when they embarked on the SWCP. I don't think decamping to France and pitching a tent on a bramble infested plot in the middle of nowhere was really a viable option for them.

I think an earlier interview with the French neighbours said that the locals thought they were renovating the property as they lived in caravans on the property.

I wonder what happened to the caravan? As it seems a better solution to homelessness than a poorly prepared camping trip.

narniabusiness · 15/07/2025 10:28

It also seems possible that references to property investments that went wrong were references to the French properties. Perhaps?

Merrymouse · 15/07/2025 10:28

Lunde · 15/07/2025 10:23

I was thinking that she might have a pile of cash at home. She wouldn't want to keep it in a bank account and risk it being taken to pay debts. Perhaps she was stockpiling the stolen money to renovate in France.

I wonder if they were always planning to do a runner leaving the unpaid debts but the fraud at her job was discovered earlier than expected.

I think somebody who could plan ahead like that would also realise that they would inevitably get caught.

FurryHappyKittens · 15/07/2025 10:33

With those two items from The Spectator and DM we're onto Day 10 of it being in the news.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 15/07/2025 10:36

Catwith69lives · 15/07/2025 09:04

I think its a bit of stretch to think that Tim wrote the books. He doesn't even accompany SW on her next walk, On Winter Hill. On other threads I've seen comments that he struggles to sign his signature, therefore maybe suffers with hand co-ordination/tremors - not conducive to writing/typing long books.

I don't think it's much of a stretch. Given everything else. A few people have reached this conjecture now, but it's always dismissed out of hand. I wouldn't treat any of her books as a source of truth. We don't even know if SW does the walks herself (a consensus a couple of threads back was they dipped in and out of the SWCP).

TW has stayed back from publicity and saying he has problems signing books and autographs just gets him off the hook for that.

Would imagine they collaboratively wrote the books. Somehow I see him more as dictating (which wouldn't require any typing!) and adding the odd bit of flair and colour, and her filling in the lengthy arguably poetic nature descriptions.

Lunde · 15/07/2025 10:36

Merrymouse · 15/07/2025 10:28

I think somebody who could plan ahead like that would also realise that they would inevitably get caught.

Often people with this sort of chutzpah to carry out this sort of fraud don't think they will be caught - especially if they have been getting away with it for years. RW had got away with the thefts - her downfall was caused by not banking £600 not stealing £64,000.

I worked on a similar case back in the 1980s where an international organization was defrauded of huge sums over several years. Nobody noticed the huge amounts but a small discrepancy caused discovery and he did a runner to his "family and friends". The organisation was also pressured into the "money back for no scandal".

CheerybleBrothers · 15/07/2025 10:37

Baileysandcream · 15/07/2025 09:40

Interesting article in the Spectator today. Confabulation is a great word !

Spectator article

But I think we’ve said exactly that, multiple times, on here. That the cover story became naturalised over time. I suspect she could have passed a lie detector test on it before the Observer story was sent to them (when the stress will have upped), because she will have believed it herself.

A friend of mine wrote a novel with a plot that derived from a traumatic family experience — she had the permission of everyone involved to publish something that changed identifying details, but lied about what had inspired it when doing publicity because one of her children didn’t want their actual life referenced. I switched on Radio 4 by chance and heard her doing an interview. I could tell she was lying/deflecting about the inspiration because I know her so well, her vocal mannerisms etc, but no one else on an entire fairly high-profile tour, including Haye and Cheltenham lit festivals, appears to have noticed a thing. (Obviously a different situation, ethically speaking, as this was a novel, not a memoir, and her lie was motivated by protecting her child’s privacy, but interesting in terms of being believed.)

Noshadelamp · 15/07/2025 10:37

CheerybleBrothers · 15/07/2025 09:54

She buys new ones and doesn’t break them in properly! Then when she tries to buy new ones, they don’t have her size. I don’t know, I wondered if it was an attempt to create some kind of mini-jeopardy, given that the walk in Landlines was completely optional, and even the most skeptical of their readers must have known that by this time, TSP had sold incredibly well, and there’s no financial need to skimp on food, equipment, accommodation etc. In fact, there’s visibly no ‘need’ for the walk at all, other than as a book subject.

These days walking boots rarely need breaking in. We are a hiking family and buy a ridiculous amount of walking and hiking boots, they've changed a lot over the years.

Also, what shoe shop wouldn't have at least one pair of shoes/boots in her size? Or she couldn't go online and buy the right size for next day delivery?

I now it's a minor detail but it's the sort of rubbish that reminds me so much of my brother who's a compulsive liar. Lots of excuses when one would do, lies that don't make sense when you dig even a little bit, lies to distract and misdirect from a bigger problem.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 15/07/2025 10:38

Choux · 15/07/2025 09:18

if they aren’t actually doing the walks in full but writing a fictional book from brief trips and guidebooks Moth could write it even if in the final story he isn’t there.

Who is leaving comments that he can’t write his name and where are they leaving the comments? And if they are true how was he able to do the last gruelling walk they did?

Agree with this line of thinking @Choux

FurryHappyKittens · 15/07/2025 10:40

I wonder if he feared he might absentmindedly write Tim instead of Moth.

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