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Racism against south Asians in the UK

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ArtfulKoala · 12/07/2025 13:01

This is a very hard thread for me to begin. I’ve been intending to do it for months but felt unable to do so. I was born in the UK but I am of south Asian origin. My parents and grandparents emigrated here. We are five generations British and counting.

I feel that racism and racial suspicion towards brown skinned people has absolutely gone off the scale since Reform gained a foothold in mainstream politics.

At first it was the little things - being subjected to an extended bag check when entering a museum when white visitors walked straight in or were casually asked to just open the large section which wasn’t really checked. This is especially the case at places like Kensington Palace and the Imperial War Museum. For reference, I am talking about a small handbag 15cm by 25cm probably smaller than their own guidelines state. At Kensington Palace, it actually got to the ridiculous stage where the checker was asking me to open more and more zipped sections down to a 5cm one until there was literally nothing left to open and she was effectively asking me to open non existent ones!
There is an incident every time we are out ( me and my teenagers). People loudly talking about us standing right next to us talking about how we are entitled just because we have been directed to the front of the queue by staff as one of us is disabled.
Yesterday, we got on a damned train with cold, vegan salads from m&s and it started immediately. A white couple complaining loudly about “the smell” when there was none because they judged us by how we look and decided our food was smelly upon that basis. Then, when the ticket inspector came round and we showed the disabled railcard, a running commentary on how we must have gamed the system to obtain that.
It is really wearing. I don’t feel like we can belong here anymore despite being educated and fully integrated here. I fully pay for private housing, healthcare and education and yet I may as well have just stepped off a small boat yesterday as far as they are concerned. I cannot fight random bigots daily when we are just trying to live our lives having low key, relaxing private family time.
It is simply fogging to get worse isn’t it? I honestly believe that Farage will be the next PM ( I am politically literate enough to gauge this for myself rather than buying into tabloid scaremongering. Zayn Malik referred to similar experiences in the song he released last week. We have similar colourings to him and never experienced racism ever before this. Perhaps they think we are Middle Eastern and are directing a particular type of hatred towards us. Perhaps it is a new racism because there were not many Middle Eastern people in the UK until recently.

I know that it is not everyone everywhere but it is now frequent enough for us to come to expect it every time we leave the house. Is this the equivalent of the Weimar Republic for the UK? Since there is no such thing as “stopping the boats” then the headlines will continue and the hatred towards brown-skinned fully fledged Brits too.

If I don’t come back to this thread immediately, it is because it is a massive thing for me to write this down and I will be reading and considering the responses.

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SriouslyWhutNow · 14/07/2025 11:31

nomas · 14/07/2025 10:05

No, it doesn’t. OP says:

I live in an ethnically diverse, middle-class area of London considered affluent and I do not have any problems in my own neighbourhood.

Given the amount of random acts of racism and micro aggressions experienced by ethnic minorities, I don’t blame people for living where they do not have to be constantly on the alert for racism and micro aggressions.

Oh do keep up, that poster wasn't responding to the OP, they were responding to a PP who literally said they lived in a South Asian area of the UK. 🙄

nomas · 14/07/2025 11:36

SriouslyWhutNow · 14/07/2025 11:31

Oh do keep up, that poster wasn't responding to the OP, they were responding to a PP who literally said they lived in a South Asian area of the UK. 🙄

Given that that poster also didn’t say they live in ‘Bradford, Oldham, Rochdale’ yet that’s where *ByQuaint’ decided they live, I suggest you wind your neck in.

The racism on this thread is beyond belief.

nomas · 14/07/2025 11:38

BeRedRobin · 14/07/2025 11:16

I'm from a Muslim majority country so I am very familiar with Ramadhan. I wouldn't tolerate being told I can't eat around Muslims during Ramadhan though which has happened in the UK. And it is these intolerant types of minority who give the rest of us a bad name. I still feel I'm a guest in the UK and I respect the local cultures, I wouldn't dream of imposing my belief and try to force people to accomodate me.

Where has anyone said that they expect no eating around them during Ramadan?

Stop imposing your made up scenarios on people

Cherrysherbet · 14/07/2025 11:42

dizzydizzydizzy · 12/07/2025 13:40

Sounds awful OP. It makes me ashamed to be British.

I agree that the rise of Reform and Farage is making people think it OK to be openly racist.

That issue you had with the queue jumping sounds similar to something that happened to me when I had a broken leg. (I'm white) The staff at the place I was at let me go to the front due to the broken leg and that resulted in a large crowd of people yelling at me because they had got there first ...... well duhuuuhhh of course they were faster than me. Crowds of people can get very nasty.

Why does it make you ashamed to be British?
I’m proud to be British. It’s part of who I am.

The people that treat op this way are nothing to do with me, and I have very different values and morals to them.

You get arseholes from all countries and backgrounds. It’s nothing to do with being British..

BeRedRobin · 14/07/2025 11:52

nomas · 14/07/2025 11:38

Where has anyone said that they expect no eating around them during Ramadan?

Stop imposing your made up scenarios on people

You're accusing me of lying without evidence? Just google. You'll find many videos easily.
In my country they even force restaurants to close for them! This I've experienced first hand, unless you're so blinded you can't accept these things do happen.

BeRedRobin · 14/07/2025 11:58

@nomas do you also think the grooming scandal by majority Pakistani men never happened because it doesn't suit your narrative?

nomas · 14/07/2025 11:59

BeRedRobin · 14/07/2025 11:58

@nomas do you also think the grooming scandal by majority Pakistani men never happened because it doesn't suit your narrative?

What the hell are you on about? Why has OP’s experience of racism become about grooming gangs?

Are you saying it’s ok to be racist to brown people because of the actions of some?

nomas · 14/07/2025 12:01

BeRedRobin · 14/07/2025 11:52

You're accusing me of lying without evidence? Just google. You'll find many videos easily.
In my country they even force restaurants to close for them! This I've experienced first hand, unless you're so blinded you can't accept these things do happen.

You really have revealed your true colours. Didn’t take long, eh?

This thread is about the UK, not your mysterious country.

GreenGully · 14/07/2025 15:21

SigmundinaCafe · 13/07/2025 20:06

I do not believe white people will ever experience the inherent suffering we’ve caused to non whites.

You claim that white people can’t be victims of racism — but if that’s true, how do you explain the accounts of many white victims of grooming gangs, who have clearly stated that their abuse involved racial and religious hostility? The perpetrators would refer to them as ‘white slags’ and claim that ‘white girls and non-Muslim girls are bad because [they] dress like slags’.

You come across as deeply misinformed and unable to express your thoughts clearly — frankly, it sounds like you have little understanding of the topic you’re trying to discuss.

Perhaps she is punch drunk, what with fighting men.. allegedly.

GreenGully · 14/07/2025 15:24

nomas · 14/07/2025 11:38

Where has anyone said that they expect no eating around them during Ramadan?

Stop imposing your made up scenarios on people

There was a video online of a Muslim man telling a black woman not to eat on a bus because he was fasting. It isn't a made up scenario.

Fffavvavaa · 14/07/2025 15:56

GreenGully · 14/07/2025 15:24

There was a video online of a Muslim man telling a black woman not to eat on a bus because he was fasting. It isn't a made up scenario.

Edited

I remember seeing this. I couldn't tell if it was real or not

Smilesinthesunshine · 14/07/2025 16:14

There are some really nasty and argumentative people on this thread. It mainly seems to be the ones that are desperate to rip into people they deem to be at all racist. Funny way to go about preaching your squeaky clean ways. Not a good look.

TeenagersAngst · 14/07/2025 19:29

xsquared · 14/07/2025 09:35

Where have I said that it's not a problem?

I simply disagreed with the claim that festivals like Christmas are being erased.

Edited

How can you say you disagree with the claim that festivals like Christmas are being erased and then in the next breath say Christmas is being ‘relabelled’ to Winter festival. Thats the very definition of erasing.

But let’s also ensure we promote the hell out of Ramadan and Eid because, you know, integration.

Do you think through your arguments before you write them down?

TeenagersAngst · 14/07/2025 19:29

Genevieva · 14/07/2025 00:34

During the era of the British Empire in greater India (modern day India, Pakistan and Bangladesh) the British government had strict controls on thr number of British people who could move there on the grounds that imposing too many British people on the population would cause an unacceptable level of imposition and social and cultural stress. I believe it was less than 200,000 across the entire region. They mostly employed local people and, when India became an independent country they required all British people to leave, even those who had lived in India for 150+ years. So, while the British introduced tea and common law and cricket, they had a shallow impact on Indian culture compared with most empires. Much of India was run using indirect rule, whereby the maharajahs maintained their authority within their territory and populations retained their local languages and religions. This is relatively light-touch compared with many empires. Eg if you look at the Arab imperial expansions of the early Middle Ages they required conversion to Islam for participation in public life, with the result that all the formerly Christian countries of the Early Church became Muslim, resulting in a complete shift in the dominant language, naming practices and administrative structures of area they conquerors.

This is v interesting.

xsquared · 14/07/2025 20:04

TeenagersAngst · 14/07/2025 19:29

How can you say you disagree with the claim that festivals like Christmas are being erased and then in the next breath say Christmas is being ‘relabelled’ to Winter festival. Thats the very definition of erasing.

But let’s also ensure we promote the hell out of Ramadan and Eid because, you know, integration.

Do you think through your arguments before you write them down?

Ny point is that it is still being taught Christmas is still a thing. We are constantly bombarded with adverts and what not about Christmas, but non Christians prefer to focus on Santa Claus and presents rather than the religious aspect.

As long as learning about religiouns is still part of the curriculum, then the Christmas story will still be told at school.

Wanderdust · 14/07/2025 20:12

I'm sad to say I agree and seems to be an issue in England in particular...

TeenagersAngst · 14/07/2025 20:19

xsquared · 14/07/2025 20:04

Ny point is that it is still being taught Christmas is still a thing. We are constantly bombarded with adverts and what not about Christmas, but non Christians prefer to focus on Santa Claus and presents rather than the religious aspect.

As long as learning about religiouns is still part of the curriculum, then the Christmas story will still be told at school.

How do you explain stories like this? www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/primary-school-cancelling-easter-diversity-hampshire-b1218289.html

xsquared · 14/07/2025 20:38

That is of course sad, but again, I am guessing this is an exception rather than the rule. Are all schools following their example?

TeenagersAngst · 14/07/2025 21:22

xsquared · 14/07/2025 20:38

That is of course sad, but again, I am guessing this is an exception rather than the rule. Are all schools following their example?

Yes, anything that doesn’t fit the narrative is an exception. Silly me.

xsquared · 14/07/2025 21:52

Well, given that it's the only school I can find in the news I about cancelling an Easter bonnet parade and going to Easter church service, it probably is a rare occurrence and therefore the exception rather than the rule. There was backlash against it so it's not as if people weren't upset about it.

If you read the BBC article, the school did say that they are still marking Easter and learning about it alongside other religious festivals.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mwd083l4lo

Anyway, you've been pretty condescending in your posts with me, so I can't really take you seriously.

nomas · 14/07/2025 22:41

TeenagersAngst · 14/07/2025 19:29

How can you say you disagree with the claim that festivals like Christmas are being erased and then in the next breath say Christmas is being ‘relabelled’ to Winter festival. Thats the very definition of erasing.

But let’s also ensure we promote the hell out of Ramadan and Eid because, you know, integration.

Do you think through your arguments before you write them down?

Are you seriously claiming Eid and Ramadan are promoted more than Christmas?

Delulu.

TeenagersAngst · 14/07/2025 23:09

nomas · 14/07/2025 22:41

Are you seriously claiming Eid and Ramadan are promoted more than Christmas?

Delulu.

No. HTH.

TeenagersAngst · 14/07/2025 23:10

xsquared · 14/07/2025 21:52

Well, given that it's the only school I can find in the news I about cancelling an Easter bonnet parade and going to Easter church service, it probably is a rare occurrence and therefore the exception rather than the rule. There was backlash against it so it's not as if people weren't upset about it.

If you read the BBC article, the school did say that they are still marking Easter and learning about it alongside other religious festivals.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mwd083l4lo

Anyway, you've been pretty condescending in your posts with me, so I can't really take you seriously.

Edited

Gosh, sorry I was condescending.

SeriousFaffing · 14/07/2025 23:41

I am so sorry that you are experiencing this.

i am frequently having conversations with my husband about our concerns about this. Too many people are wearing their racist views with pride, seemingly emboldened by the narrative that is being set by grifters and other racists in the public eye.

A family member close to me has actually become radicalised by what they have read on social media. Conversions with them are seriously worrying, because all they want to do is aggressively talk about what always essentially always comes back to their racist views. But when challenged, they will aggressively insist that they are ‘not racist’.

Its the responsibility of all of us to hold these people to account in one way or another.

Fffavvavaa · 15/07/2025 09:13

nomas · 14/07/2025 22:41

Are you seriously claiming Eid and Ramadan are promoted more than Christmas?

Delulu.

Sometimes I feel though there's this trend of doing Ramadan as a non-muslim for some reason.