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Racism against south Asians in the UK

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ArtfulKoala · 12/07/2025 13:01

This is a very hard thread for me to begin. I’ve been intending to do it for months but felt unable to do so. I was born in the UK but I am of south Asian origin. My parents and grandparents emigrated here. We are five generations British and counting.

I feel that racism and racial suspicion towards brown skinned people has absolutely gone off the scale since Reform gained a foothold in mainstream politics.

At first it was the little things - being subjected to an extended bag check when entering a museum when white visitors walked straight in or were casually asked to just open the large section which wasn’t really checked. This is especially the case at places like Kensington Palace and the Imperial War Museum. For reference, I am talking about a small handbag 15cm by 25cm probably smaller than their own guidelines state. At Kensington Palace, it actually got to the ridiculous stage where the checker was asking me to open more and more zipped sections down to a 5cm one until there was literally nothing left to open and she was effectively asking me to open non existent ones!
There is an incident every time we are out ( me and my teenagers). People loudly talking about us standing right next to us talking about how we are entitled just because we have been directed to the front of the queue by staff as one of us is disabled.
Yesterday, we got on a damned train with cold, vegan salads from m&s and it started immediately. A white couple complaining loudly about “the smell” when there was none because they judged us by how we look and decided our food was smelly upon that basis. Then, when the ticket inspector came round and we showed the disabled railcard, a running commentary on how we must have gamed the system to obtain that.
It is really wearing. I don’t feel like we can belong here anymore despite being educated and fully integrated here. I fully pay for private housing, healthcare and education and yet I may as well have just stepped off a small boat yesterday as far as they are concerned. I cannot fight random bigots daily when we are just trying to live our lives having low key, relaxing private family time.
It is simply fogging to get worse isn’t it? I honestly believe that Farage will be the next PM ( I am politically literate enough to gauge this for myself rather than buying into tabloid scaremongering. Zayn Malik referred to similar experiences in the song he released last week. We have similar colourings to him and never experienced racism ever before this. Perhaps they think we are Middle Eastern and are directing a particular type of hatred towards us. Perhaps it is a new racism because there were not many Middle Eastern people in the UK until recently.

I know that it is not everyone everywhere but it is now frequent enough for us to come to expect it every time we leave the house. Is this the equivalent of the Weimar Republic for the UK? Since there is no such thing as “stopping the boats” then the headlines will continue and the hatred towards brown-skinned fully fledged Brits too.

If I don’t come back to this thread immediately, it is because it is a massive thing for me to write this down and I will be reading and considering the responses.

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MuckFusk · 13/07/2025 21:29

TeenagersAngst · 13/07/2025 21:23

By ‘Christmas is mostly secular’ - I assume you mean it is over commercialised and many people who celebrate Christmas do not do so through a religious lens.

That may be so, but why the need to rebrand it away from ‘Christmas’ into something else? And I don’t believe it’s as innocent as you make out.

I'm not saying it's "innocent." Are you saying it's sinister? It's neither. It's just practical.
The point of not calling it Christmas should be obvious. Many people who celebrate it are not Christians and don't wish to be associated with Christianity.

MuckFusk · 13/07/2025 21:32

Namitynamename · 13/07/2025 18:04

Really big noses used to be considered beautiful. Now they aren't
As a thin lipped, big nosed woman I wish beauty standards were other. But I'm not a victim of racism. It's not the same as what OP is talking about.
And I think the same thing happened in the Netherlands following the success of Gerthy Van Wilders. I don't know if people became more racist or it just felt more socially acceptable. Which some would see as shifting the overton window away from Woke. But it's just being a horrible knob head really

I hope in the end that the pendulum swings the other way again. In the Netherlands the racist party have shown themselves up for being the chaos merchants they are. And for not actually giving a shit about the people who voted for them.

Sorry, I don't know anything about the situation in the Netherlands so I can't comment on that. But I'm curious now so I will look into it.

TeenagersAngst · 13/07/2025 21:39

MuckFusk · 13/07/2025 21:29

I'm not saying it's "innocent." Are you saying it's sinister? It's neither. It's just practical.
The point of not calling it Christmas should be obvious. Many people who celebrate it are not Christians and don't wish to be associated with Christianity.

You asserted that it had nothing to do with immigration. Thats bollocks, there is plenty of discussion online that it is a sop to ‘multiculturalism’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/happy-holidays-trump-war-on-christmas-greeting-conservatives-religion-political-correctness-a9255306.html

The origins of 'Happy Holidays' - and why it makes Trump so angry

Donald Trump and other conservatives have associated a once-uncontroversial phrase with a 'War on Christmas' and 'political correctness gone mad' 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/happy-holidays-trump-war-on-christmas-greeting-conservatives-religion-political-correctness-a9255306.html

MuckFusk · 13/07/2025 21:43

MuddlingMackem · 13/07/2025 18:18

All Empires imposed on other cultures, the British empire was not unique. It was just the last of the big empires, which is why it's the one everyone focuses on. But the world has moved on, and White Britons cannot be forever be lambasted for their forefathers doing what was still just the done thing then.

And Britain did buck the done thing by outlawing the African slave trade.

I don't disagree with that. It just sounded to me like you were saying British people are superior in that they would never behave in an entitled way in another culture, which clearly they have done, so there's no basis for that assumption.

Clavinova · 13/07/2025 21:49

It's not nice to think you have been racially profiled but the Israeli Embassy is practically opposite Kensington Palace. If the op was spotted for looking Middle Eastern I would suggest that the palace staff might be on the alert for potential pro-Palestinian protesters - so looking for something as small as a marker pen, paint tube or smoke bomb in a bag rather than an actual bomb.

I'm not sure the op's example of people talking about her loudly when she was directed to the front of the queue is an example of racism - I don't think being white protects you from queue moans/queue rage if a disability is not visible. Plus, I remember all the fuss over Holly Willoughby and Phillip Schofield when they were thought to have skipped a queue - and Keir Starmer and his children when they were directed to the front of the queue for a toboggan ride on holiday.

With regards to the M&S salads I would say that some of them do smell a bit. I like them but some of the salads do have garlic puree, onions, ginger, coriander, cumin, hummus, falafels etc. Could be a minor irritation in an enclosed space on a hot day.

Also, I wonder how the rude couple spotted the op's disabled railcard - unless she announced it or they were looking over her shoulder? It should be relatively easy for the ticket inspector to check the tickets and railcard without other passengers knowing the specific type of railcard she has.

MuckFusk · 13/07/2025 21:50

TeenagersAngst · 13/07/2025 21:39

You asserted that it had nothing to do with immigration. Thats bollocks, there is plenty of discussion online that it is a sop to ‘multiculturalism’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/happy-holidays-trump-war-on-christmas-greeting-conservatives-religion-political-correctness-a9255306.html

Are you really using Trump and his cabal of lunatics as evidence that this claim of a "war on Christmas" is valid?
😄
I was saying it has nothing to do with the recent wave of immigration in the UK. Calling Christmas the holidays goes back decades. It may have something to do with immigration indirectly since immigration brings more non-Christians in. However, the religious ones wouldn't be celebrating Christmas, therefore would not care what Christmas is called, so I think it's mostly atheists and agnostics driving the trend.

TeenagersAngst · 13/07/2025 22:04

MuckFusk · 13/07/2025 21:50

Are you really using Trump and his cabal of lunatics as evidence that this claim of a "war on Christmas" is valid?
😄
I was saying it has nothing to do with the recent wave of immigration in the UK. Calling Christmas the holidays goes back decades. It may have something to do with immigration indirectly since immigration brings more non-Christians in. However, the religious ones wouldn't be celebrating Christmas, therefore would not care what Christmas is called, so I think it's mostly atheists and agnostics driving the trend.

The article was denigrating Trump because it’s in the Independent (go figure) but the point it makes challenges your claim that it has nothing to do with immigration. That was my aim in linking it.

I don’t believe I set a time limit on when or how the unnecessary rebrand of Christmas has occurred. I was merely challenging your claim which a quick Google search debunks pretty comprehensively. Your original post also didn’t mention the recent wave, just immigration generally.

MuckFusk · 13/07/2025 22:16

TeenagersAngst · 13/07/2025 22:04

The article was denigrating Trump because it’s in the Independent (go figure) but the point it makes challenges your claim that it has nothing to do with immigration. That was my aim in linking it.

I don’t believe I set a time limit on when or how the unnecessary rebrand of Christmas has occurred. I was merely challenging your claim which a quick Google search debunks pretty comprehensively. Your original post also didn’t mention the recent wave, just immigration generally.

Edited

You posted what is by your own admission and opinion piece. Your standards for "debunking" are a good deal lower than mine, clearly.

We were discussing this subject within the context of the current events, not discussing it within the context of the the history of immigration. It should not be necessary to specify that you aren't speaking historically when you are responding to a discussion centered around current issues.

TeenagersAngst · 13/07/2025 22:37

MuckFusk · 13/07/2025 22:16

You posted what is by your own admission and opinion piece. Your standards for "debunking" are a good deal lower than mine, clearly.

We were discussing this subject within the context of the current events, not discussing it within the context of the the history of immigration. It should not be necessary to specify that you aren't speaking historically when you are responding to a discussion centered around current issues.

Since you don’t seem to have any evidence for your claim that rebranding Christmas ‘has nothing to do with immigration’, I can only assume that your standards for proving something are way way lower than mine.

Since the first link didn’t meet with your approval, here’s another one. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rebranding-christmas-more-public-bodies-are-refusing-to-give-the-festival-its-name-for-fear-of-causing-offence-9923365.html

It’s late. Goodnight.

MuckFusk · 13/07/2025 22:58

TeenagersAngst · 13/07/2025 22:37

Since you don’t seem to have any evidence for your claim that rebranding Christmas ‘has nothing to do with immigration’, I can only assume that your standards for proving something are way way lower than mine.

Since the first link didn’t meet with your approval, here’s another one. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rebranding-christmas-more-public-bodies-are-refusing-to-give-the-festival-its-name-for-fear-of-causing-offence-9923365.html

It’s late. Goodnight.

Edited

You expect me to prove a negative?
It's not something you can prove either way. That's why I was expressing it as an opinion, not claiming it as fact. I gave my reasoning for it in another post, which was ignored. If you're posting other people's opinions to support your opinion that's perfectly acceptable, but it's not "debunking." You can't really debunk something that is not claimed as fact anyway.
Good night and sleep well.

Miaw111 · 13/07/2025 23:12

IslandVoiceUK · 13/07/2025 01:25

I think you are being unreasonable OP. Just because someone questions the effects of mass immigration doesn’t mean they’re hateful or racist. People are allowed to have concerns about what’s happening in their own country.

I feel that mass immigration has changed what it means to be British, and not necessarily in a good way. It’s not just about numbers. It’s about how quickly things have shifted, and how people like me, who’ve grown up here, are starting to feel like outsiders in our own country.

Yes, white people are still the majority in the UK, but globally, we’re a minority. And Britain is a small island with limited space, resources, and services. It doesn’t feel sustainable to keep increasing the population this way, especially when public services are already under pressure.

I don’t hate anyone, and I know many people come here looking for safety or opportunity. But I also think it’s fair to say that multiculturalism in the UK has gone too far. We’re told to celebrate every culture but our own, and when white British people try to express pride in our history or traditions, we’re often labelled racist or outdated.

I also want to say something that people might not agree with, but it’s how I genuinely feel. I know the original poster said her family has been here for five generations, and I’m not denying her legal status or lived experience. But I think there’s a difference between being a citizen and being part of a deeper shared national identity that’s rooted in culture, ancestry, and history.

For example, if I were born in China, I personally wouldn’t feel Chinese in a cultural or ancestral sense, even if I had a passport. That’s not about hatred. It’s about recognising that identity runs deeper than just where you’re born. I think that’s a valid perspective, and people should be able to say it without being shut down or labelled racist.

What makes it feel even more unfair is that you don’t really see British people moving abroad and expecting other countries to adjust their traditions or sense of national identity to suit us. But here, we’re expected to constantly adapt while being told we should stay silent about our own culture. That doesn’t feel like equal respect.

I’m not against individuals but I am against unchecked immigration and forced diversity policies that don’t reflect the reality of how many people actually feel. We’re told it’s progress but to many of us, it feels more like erasure.

I think we need to be able to say these things without being attacked. This is our country too and if we don’t speak up, we risk losing the very culture and values that made Britain what it is.

I somehow doubt you know much about British history.

Miaw111 · 13/07/2025 23:50

MuddlingMackem · 13/07/2025 18:18

All Empires imposed on other cultures, the British empire was not unique. It was just the last of the big empires, which is why it's the one everyone focuses on. But the world has moved on, and White Britons cannot be forever be lambasted for their forefathers doing what was still just the done thing then.

And Britain did buck the done thing by outlawing the African slave trade.

If the world has moved on from 70 odd years ago, then why are the World Wars, VE day, Winston Churchill, the Holocaust etc still focused on, acknowledged and commemorated, with people being lauded and lambasted? Is is something to do with being in living memory? You (and I mean the royal 'you') shouldn't pick and choose the parts of British and World history that you are more comfortable with.

Miaw111 · 13/07/2025 23:52

IslandVoiceUK · 13/07/2025 18:43

The most popular baby boy name in the Uk is Mohammed

Your point being...?

Masmavi · 13/07/2025 23:53

Pomegranatecarnage · 12/07/2025 15:39

Sorry to read this. Where abouts in the U.K. are you? I’ve recently moved schools from a deprived area to a « leafy suburb « . Racism was rampant on the council estate but doesn’t seem to be an issue at all where I am now.

I would say be observant and dig deeper…I moved back to the UK last year to a ‘nice area’ and the racism is there, just they know it’s not socially acceptable so tend to be more subtle in their expression of it. I was shocked at the racist attitudes here, having thought in my years abroad that the UK had become a much more tolerant society than the one I left.

Masmavi · 14/07/2025 00:00

Clavinova · 13/07/2025 21:49

It's not nice to think you have been racially profiled but the Israeli Embassy is practically opposite Kensington Palace. If the op was spotted for looking Middle Eastern I would suggest that the palace staff might be on the alert for potential pro-Palestinian protesters - so looking for something as small as a marker pen, paint tube or smoke bomb in a bag rather than an actual bomb.

I'm not sure the op's example of people talking about her loudly when she was directed to the front of the queue is an example of racism - I don't think being white protects you from queue moans/queue rage if a disability is not visible. Plus, I remember all the fuss over Holly Willoughby and Phillip Schofield when they were thought to have skipped a queue - and Keir Starmer and his children when they were directed to the front of the queue for a toboggan ride on holiday.

With regards to the M&S salads I would say that some of them do smell a bit. I like them but some of the salads do have garlic puree, onions, ginger, coriander, cumin, hummus, falafels etc. Could be a minor irritation in an enclosed space on a hot day.

Also, I wonder how the rude couple spotted the op's disabled railcard - unless she announced it or they were looking over her shoulder? It should be relatively easy for the ticket inspector to check the tickets and railcard without other passengers knowing the specific type of railcard she has.

Long way to say you think she’s a liar

Genevieva · 14/07/2025 00:34

MuckFusk · 13/07/2025 21:43

I don't disagree with that. It just sounded to me like you were saying British people are superior in that they would never behave in an entitled way in another culture, which clearly they have done, so there's no basis for that assumption.

During the era of the British Empire in greater India (modern day India, Pakistan and Bangladesh) the British government had strict controls on thr number of British people who could move there on the grounds that imposing too many British people on the population would cause an unacceptable level of imposition and social and cultural stress. I believe it was less than 200,000 across the entire region. They mostly employed local people and, when India became an independent country they required all British people to leave, even those who had lived in India for 150+ years. So, while the British introduced tea and common law and cricket, they had a shallow impact on Indian culture compared with most empires. Much of India was run using indirect rule, whereby the maharajahs maintained their authority within their territory and populations retained their local languages and religions. This is relatively light-touch compared with many empires. Eg if you look at the Arab imperial expansions of the early Middle Ages they required conversion to Islam for participation in public life, with the result that all the formerly Christian countries of the Early Church became Muslim, resulting in a complete shift in the dominant language, naming practices and administrative structures of area they conquerors.

Genevieva · 14/07/2025 00:41

Masmavi · 14/07/2025 00:00

Long way to say you think she’s a liar

Is she saying the OP is a liar or suggesting a perception gap? I’ve had my bag thoroughly searched when I visited the National Gallery due to the idiots who throw tinned tomato soup at paintings. They have to check a certain percentage in more detail and at random, as well as profiling. I didn’t take it personally, though I felt a certain sadness that idiots like that have ruined the care free life we used to enjoy when we were a higher trust society and galleries didn’t have to worry about the public being a threat.

EddyF · 14/07/2025 01:50

VanessaFence · 13/07/2025 09:17

I want to reply to @IslandVoiceUK because I think it's important to have a discussion rather than just call others stupid or racist. I really don't think that's helpful and, if anything, makes things worse. For context, I'm British, my partner is British from a South Asian family and I've also been an immigrant in another country.

@IslandVoiceUK I think many people have concerns about poor immigration policies and would agree that people shouldn't move here if they're actively hostile towards British culture or have no interest in integrating. That shouldn't be a controversial thing to say and you're right that many other countries would not accept this.

I also agree that it's a shame that the national flag has become associated with racism. People should not be made to feel ashamed for the historical sins of their ancestors and this "woke" idea that we should all be apologising to each other for things we didn't do is nonsense.

However, there's a few of your points I can't get behind.

Firstly, I don't believe beauty trends have anything to do with reverse racism. Beauty trends are just trends and there's already a shift back towards the waif-like Kate Moss look. Statistics show that black and brown people still get the fewest likes on OLD so the white beauty standard is still dominant.

It's also not the case, statistically, that black and brown people are more likely to be selected for jobs. Studies have shown that it's still the case that a CV with a "foreign" sounding name is more likely to get passed over than one with a British sounding name. It's down to cognitive bias and people instinctively wanting to hire in their own image.

But the main point I can't agree with is this one:
there’s a difference between being a citizen and being part of a deeper shared national identity that’s rooted in culture, ancestry, and history

At what point do you switch from becoming a citizen to becoming part of the national identity? If someone's great-grandparents are German but their grandparents were born here then do they count? You would think so because that's our own royal family. So why is it different for people with brown skin? Why can't they be part of the national identity?

The reason why Black/Brown people get fewer likes on OLD is because they are less of them on the apps! People tend to be attracted to their own race. It has nothing to do with Black/Briwn being deemed unattractive and it is such an ignorant take. If there are 100 white people on an app and 2 Black people…what do you think will happen?

I can’t even be bothered to reply to the rest of this thread. One thing Mumsnet has taught me, is that most people on here are thick as fuck. Just dumb to the point of embarrassing.

minuette1 · 14/07/2025 08:49

ArtfulKoala2 · 13/07/2025 11:40

OP here. I couldn’t find my password so I’ve created another account. I have certainly read every single reply on the thread so far. The AIBU split is certainly revealing. As I said in my OP, I know that there is no obvious solution to any of this. But it is a snapshot of my experience in 2025.

Without drip feeding, I would like to share a bit more about my background. My parents are from different south Asian communities and faith groups/languages and even though this may sound strange, my mum effectively looked white while my father was more obviously south asian. While growing up, unless we were out with our dad, most people assumed that we were Greek or Italian as we have an olive skin tone. I was never subject to racism or called the P word although I heard it happen to my dad. My DH is white and my children are white passing unless they are seen out with me of course ( which they often are).

As kids ourselves, we were not accepted by either of our parents’ communities as belonging. 95% of our friends were white and yes, we had an endless number of play dates and birthdays with them. The only language I can speak is English, I am well spoken, independently educated at a school where we were in chapel half the time, where no other faiths were promoted. My literary and cultural interests and my outlook in life is entirely informed by the middle class British culture bubble in which I exist.

It was not until the small boats crisis that I experienced racism. I literally watched the men stepping out of the dinghies on the news and for the first time in my life, I noticed that the Iraqi and Syrian people looked ethnically closest to me than any other people I had seen in the UK. From around that time, I was assumed to be ‘one of them’. Even my children could be classified as Middle Eastern when they are with me because there is a huge skin/ hair colour range covered within that classification.

I live in an ethnically diverse, middle-class area of London considered affluent and I do not have any problems in my own neighbourhood. I would never live in a ‘ghetto community’ where I would not be accepted anyway. I strongly believe in the promotion of integration. We celebrate Christmas, we embrace most aspects of British culture.

The issues arise when we are out and about which we are very often. Often, it is on public transport especially on buses. If I lived in a ghetto community and pursued segregated interests then maybe I would not experience it. But for me, that would not constitute living well.

I like cultural pursuits traditionally associated with white middle class people. I am a National Trust and
HRP (historic royal palaces) member. It has reflects my very British upbringing. I know that most people visiting these places are white. It almost feels like I am being told ‘ It is suspicious that you are here at all. This experience is aimed at particular demographics so we are going to have to treat you differently in order to allow you in’.

It seems to back up the person upthread who wrote that you will never be truly British even after five generations even though that is the only culture I truly know and have fully embraced.

A red pilled type would say that I am a total casualty of the new world order- a cultural mix who has gone on to produce an even more ethnically and culturally mixed family. I’d love to ‘ go home’ ( and take my tax revenues elsewhere) but I clearly don’t have a home country or culture beyond this one.
The greatest frustration I have is with the vocal white working class UKIP types such as those I encountered on the train that day. I don’t want them to regurgitate extreme-right sound bites at me and provide a running commentary on my every action out of their bigoted little heads. I don’t have anything in common with them, they would be invisible to my white middle class friends too. Yet, my personal space is being invaded by them. I have not taken their houses, school places or healthcare - I pay for all of that myself as I said in my OP. I do not want any unnecessary communication with strangers with whom I have nothing in common so what right do they have to force it upon me?

My grandfather moved here as a GP to serve a poor, white community because they had a shortage of home grown GPs wanting to do the job. It was always about supporting their society not taking from them. Their behaviour and assumptions are really grating and widely off the mark.

It's interesting you say you feel you are being targeted because you look Middle Eastern rather than South Asian, as that is a different proposition to your thread title; which should have said 'racism against Middle Easterns in the UK' and that racism unfortunately is a direct correlation to the illegal boats arriving here each day, and the government's preferential treatment of such people.

xsquared · 14/07/2025 08:55

Someone, I think Island Voice UK, made a comment about how British festivals are being erased in schools in favour of international ones.

They're not. The relabelling of Christmas to Winter festival is more to do with taking Christianity out of it, as we are becoming a more secular society. Nativity plays and Christmas performances at school.will always be a thing.

Lent has always been a thing as well, but most Christian,s in my experience, do not fast for 40 days. Some may give something up, like chocolate, caffeine, Facebook etc but they don't usually need to tell others about it.

We learn about festivals such as Diwali and Ramadan in school, to educate children about other cultures so they can learn to respect them too, which seem to have failed some pps here.

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 14/07/2025 09:14

xsquared · 14/07/2025 08:55

Someone, I think Island Voice UK, made a comment about how British festivals are being erased in schools in favour of international ones.

They're not. The relabelling of Christmas to Winter festival is more to do with taking Christianity out of it, as we are becoming a more secular society. Nativity plays and Christmas performances at school.will always be a thing.

Lent has always been a thing as well, but most Christian,s in my experience, do not fast for 40 days. Some may give something up, like chocolate, caffeine, Facebook etc but they don't usually need to tell others about it.

We learn about festivals such as Diwali and Ramadan in school, to educate children about other cultures so they can learn to respect them too, which seem to have failed some pps here.

And the fact that you don’t see a problem with this is the actual problem!!!

xsquared · 14/07/2025 09:35

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 14/07/2025 09:14

And the fact that you don’t see a problem with this is the actual problem!!!

Where have I said that it's not a problem?

I simply disagreed with the claim that festivals like Christmas are being erased.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 14/07/2025 09:50

Bink666 · 12/07/2025 13:34

what is a “South Asian community in the UK”?

It means an area (in the UK) where only south Asians live eg areas of Bradford, Oldham, Rochdale.

nomas · 14/07/2025 10:05

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 14/07/2025 09:50

It means an area (in the UK) where only south Asians live eg areas of Bradford, Oldham, Rochdale.

No, it doesn’t. OP says:

I live in an ethnically diverse, middle-class area of London considered affluent and I do not have any problems in my own neighbourhood.

Given the amount of random acts of racism and micro aggressions experienced by ethnic minorities, I don’t blame people for living where they do not have to be constantly on the alert for racism and micro aggressions.

BeRedRobin · 14/07/2025 11:16

xsquared · 14/07/2025 08:55

Someone, I think Island Voice UK, made a comment about how British festivals are being erased in schools in favour of international ones.

They're not. The relabelling of Christmas to Winter festival is more to do with taking Christianity out of it, as we are becoming a more secular society. Nativity plays and Christmas performances at school.will always be a thing.

Lent has always been a thing as well, but most Christian,s in my experience, do not fast for 40 days. Some may give something up, like chocolate, caffeine, Facebook etc but they don't usually need to tell others about it.

We learn about festivals such as Diwali and Ramadan in school, to educate children about other cultures so they can learn to respect them too, which seem to have failed some pps here.

I'm from a Muslim majority country so I am very familiar with Ramadhan. I wouldn't tolerate being told I can't eat around Muslims during Ramadhan though which has happened in the UK. And it is these intolerant types of minority who give the rest of us a bad name. I still feel I'm a guest in the UK and I respect the local cultures, I wouldn't dream of imposing my belief and try to force people to accomodate me.

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