This is it - climate change is really beginning to bite

[Wowwee1234]

We know the climate is changing and it is us. This particular heat wave feels like the next step up after a winter of devastating storms.

YABU - It's just too hot
YANBU - This is the taste of things to come.

@Petitchat it just doesn’t matter how much collective opinion, scientific evidence etc there is. You are just swamped with misinformation

yes I would question if I were the one down the rabbit hole if I faced that level of evidence. But you won’t, will you.?

@Petitchat it just doesn’t matter how much collective opinion, scientific evidence etc there is. You are just swamped with misinformation

yes I would question if I were the one down the rabbit hole if I faced that level of evidence. But you won’t, will you.?

Some of us actually live in other parts of the world, and I can assure you we are not all dying like flies because we have a few days with the temps over 30C every summer (and, shock, horror, the ocassional 40C).

And once again, sorry I'm going to have to shout this - THERE IS MORE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD THAN JUST EUROPE.

Maybe I just had a happy childhood and look back remembering happy sunny days 🤷🏽‍♀️

Anyway, the climate has always changed. We should respect Mother Nature of course, but NO ONE is going to stop climate change if that’s what nature wants. Delusional to
think otherwise.

People are ridiculous 😂 where my dad is from it used to get over 50c quite regularly, they use to fry eggs on the road!

Next year will probably be a washout again so just enjoy it while it lasts fgs!

Top story on the BBC this morning. The Met Office don’t seem to think it’s ’just Summer’. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74w1gyd7mko

People are ridiculous 😂 where my dad is from it used to get over 50c quite regularly, they use to fry eggs on the road!

How is this relevant? No one is saying the UK is the hottest place on earth; we’re saying it’s demonstrably getting warmer relative to previous decades.

Lucky you, your houses are probably designed for the heat. Whether that means passive measures, or just installing air con everywhere amd making the problem worse in the long run.

From the Times:

The frequency of heatwaves in Spain has nearly tripled since the turn of the century.

Portugal has also suffered. Mora in the Alentejo region recorded 46.6°C on Sunday, reported to be a national record for June.

Temperatures were forecast to rise as high as 40C in parts of Germany on Wednesday, threatening to set new records.

Yeah, this isn't "just summer"

Our houses are not designed for the heat, or for the cold. We don't all have air con, although businesses do, but that is a reasonably new thing - we managed to cope just fine beforehand. I've only had air con for the past three years, and really I only use it on the cooling setting for a few days each year, the rest of the time it is on the fan setting - and the rest of the house is boiling as the air con is only in the living room (as is the heating).

So, we roast in summer and freeze in winter - meantime Brits seem to think they should be living in a perfect temperature the whole year round.

How are you going to decarbonise aviation then?

Sail the world.

I think we have had quite enough of experts.

You understand that very high temperatures are dangerous for vulnerable people everywhere?

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/climate-change-heat-and-health

"Between 2000–2019 studies show approximately 489 000 heat-related deaths occur each year, with 45% of these in Asia and 36% in Europe (2). In Europe alone in the summer of 2022, an estimated 61 672 heat-related excess deaths occurred (3). High intensity heatwave events can bring high acute mortality; in 2003, 70 000 people in Europe died as a result of the June–August event. In 2010, 56 000 excess deaths occurred during a 44–day heatwave in the Russian Federation."

Only right wing mugs think climate change isn't real. If reform get in we will definitely not be prepared for what is to come.

Only a complete idiot would laugh at this.

And no-one ever died from the cold, did they?

@SouthernNights59

"And no-one ever died from the cold, did they?"

Extreme heat and extreme cold are hazardous for vulnerable people, which is why the increase in the intense weather events that is likely the result of climate change is particularly concerning for this demographic, or anyone who thinks about or cares about the welfare of vulnerable people. That's obviously not you as you keep demonstrating on this thread with your 'who CARES about the weather!' posts.

Deaths related to cold weather in the UK far outnumber those from hot weather.

A quick scan on the internet suggests 25-50x more.

So my guess is if the temperature rise on average it will actually reduce the number of deaths due to weather, as the increased deaths in hot weather will be matched by the decreased deaths in cold weather.

Are they the same people who thought men could really change into women?

Ah no, that was left wing mugs......

But we generally try and prevent deaths from avoidable things in the UK.

So we recognise that someone dying of cold in a country where heating exists is a bit shit. We give winter fuel payments to the elderly on pension credit, my council opened warm hubs, we also have insulation standards, people on the news literally say check on your elderly neighbours during freak cold snaps. My disabled friend is on some thing where if the electric goes put he is a priority to get it running again due to he can't get cold. He also can't get hot but it doesn't cover heat soecifically (doen syndrome, wheelchair users non verbal heart and kidney problems). There are often insulation and boiler grants for the vulnerable.

I think what people are suggesting is that if climate change means we get a lot of hot weather much more often in the uk we might need to start thinking about how we help the elderely/vulnerable in heat over an above saying well 'the world' just gets on with it. When all the evidence is the world loses a lot of the vulnerable in heat and a lot of the world are concerned about it getting worse.

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@Fearfulsaints

"I think what people are suggesting is that if climate change means we get a lot of hot weather much more often in the uk we might need to start thinking about how we help the elderely/vulnerable in heat over an above saying well 'the world' just gets on with it. When all the evidence is the world loses a lot of the vulnerable in heat and a lot of the world are concerned about it getting worse."

I think the problem is that the venn diagram of those who don't believe man made climate change is real/a problem, and those who quietly approve of vulnerable people being culled by pandemics/natural events, is a circle.

@GasPanic

"So my guess is if the temperature rise on average it will actually reduce the number of deaths due to weather, as the increased deaths in hot weather will be matched by the decreased deaths in cold weather."

That's not what climate projections show.

They show that there will be more of ALL extreme weather events, cold, heat, flooding, high winds, droughts, not fewer.

It’s interesting that people are only talking about the impact of climate change on temperature and not the impact it has on generating more extreme storms, more extreme rainfall and droughts!

Storms not only kill people, but damages our infrastructure and impacts businesses and the wider economy.

eciu.net/analysis/briefings/climate-impacts/flood-risk-and-the-uk

The warmer winters on average will reduce excess deaths in the UK in winter more than any short duration extreme events will increase them.

IMO the only time climate change will lead to more deaths in the UK is either through catastrophic flooding (I don't think this will happen as although there is a lot of low level flooding in the UK large events that are likely to hit big cities and make a significant difference to the statistics are mitigated) or via indirect effects such as food supply shortages.

It's unclear to me whether in isolation climate change will be good or bad for the UK. There is probably a fairly strong argument that if we can't stop climate change (my belief is we can't) we should be investing less in silly technologies like carbon capture and more in mitigating infrastructure like flood defences and drainage. Increasing our food supply independence would probably be smart too.